Lionized27 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 36 minutes ago, smokes said: Not that I think he should be free but for arguments sake. He's non violent as he did not do the killings, and I'm pretty sure people are not stupid enough to follow his every word again. No. Just no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, Cerridwen said: Nobody thought there were stupid enough people to follow his every word back then, either. There are plenty of stupid people who would fall into that category walking around in the world today. One has only to take a really good look around themselves or pay attention to what's going on in the world to see that. Just because Manson's hands did not physically participate in the killings DOES NOT mean that he doesn't have the blood of Sharon Tate and her baby on his hands.. One can be violent without actually physically killing someone.. do a little research. Never said their blood is not on his hands just saying I can't see him as being too much of a threat considering his age and lack of health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 hour ago, smokes said: Never said their blood is not on his hands just saying I can't see him as being too much of a threat considering his age and lack of health. So can he come live at your house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, nuckin_futz said: So can he come live at your house? Only if I can bury him in the back yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, smokes said: Only if I can bury him in the back yard. Maybe they do things differently in China, but here we wait until they're dead to bury them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, nuckin_futz said: Maybe they do things differently in China, but here we wait until they're dead to bury them. In his condition, all you need to do is wait a little bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, smokes said: In his condition, all you need to do is wait a little bit longer. Yeah that's what they said about Zsa Zsa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Yeah that's what they said about Zsa Zsa. IMO Manson should have got the chair a long time ago for his crimes. The problem is that the justice system didn't and kept him in jail until he is a fragile old man. After this many years and his condition, it's almost inhumane to keep him in jail at such a fragile state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, smokes said: IMO Manson should have got the chair a long time ago for his crimes. The problem is that the justice system didn't and kept him in jail until he is a fragile old man. After this many years and his condition, it's almost inhumane to keep him in jail at such a fragile state. Then can he come stay at your house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, nuckin_futz said: Then can he come stay at your house? only if you take him on the weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, smokes said: only if you take him on the weekends. Na, I'm fine with him rotting in the Cali prison system. Plus it's kind of a long flight from Wuhan to Victoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 10 hours ago, smokes said: it's almost inhumane to keep him in jail at such a fragile state. It's inhumane to orchestrate having others (pregnant women especially so) slaughtered, so let's not forget that part. Manson's is a tragic tale of how children born completely deprived of love or maternal nurturing can result in huge issues and a cost to society. He was failed in this life but so were those he came into contact with (he raped someone once at razorpoint), so it's a matter of stopping the insanity. Literally. He was given a chance to grow old and frail....many aren't granted that. No sympathy here for the man...only the boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 51 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: It's inhumane to orchestrate having others (pregnant women especially so) slaughtered, so let's not forget that part. Manson's is a tragic tale of how children born completely deprived of love or maternal instincts can result in huge issues and a cost to society. He was failed in this life but so were those he came into contact with (he raped someone once at razorpoint), so it's a matter of stopping the insanity. Literally. He was given a chance to grow old and frail....many aren't granted that. No sympathy here for the man...only the boy. I see your point and he doesn't deserve any sympathy. I just feel that they should have ended his life shortly after he was convicted. Would have saved a ton of money from having to feed him and medical costs not to mention closing a chapter in history that should have long been forgotten. Instead everyone gets to remember everything he did over and over again every time the public hears his name. I can't imagine what the victims families must be going through whenever the media mentions him in the news. The fact that he is still alive allows him to still have a presence and that presence has pretty much made him a cult legend whereas if they gave them the chair, he would have been forgotten by now, out of sight out of mind. Now, instead we have a frail old man looks more sad than evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 14 hours ago, smokes said: Not that I think he should be free but for arguments sake. He's non violent as he did not do the killings, and I'm pretty sure people are not stupid enough to follow his every word again. You might want to read up a little more on Manson if you think he's non-violent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 For the record. The chances of Manson actually receiving the death penalty were close to zero. The murders were committed in 1969. Manson was sentenced in 1971. California briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972 then re-instated it again in 1972. Since 1972 California has executed a total of 13 inmates. There are currently approx 750 people on death row in California. They just don't get around to actually executing them. For the vast majority it's really death row in name only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 7 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: For the record. The chances of Manson actually receiving the death penalty were close to zero. The murders were committed in 1969. Manson was sentenced in 1971. California briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972 then re-instated it again in 1972. Since 1972 California has executed a total of 13 inmates. There are currently approx 750 people on death row in California. They just don't get around to actually executing them. For the vast majority it's really death row in name only. That's what I don't understand though, the death penalty should do what it's called. Get put to death. It's not called the "Rot in jail for 30 years then we'll decide if we want to kill you" penalty. People talking about over crowded prisons, well actually carrying out the death penalty might actually be a start. Not to mentian as I'v said with Manson, the taxpayers don't have the keep feeding these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 On 1/6/2017 at 2:43 PM, nuckin_futz said: For the record. The chances of Manson actually receiving the death penalty were close to zero. The murders were committed in 1969. Manson was sentenced in 1971. California briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972 then re-instated it again in 1972. Since 1972 California has executed a total of 13 inmates. There are currently approx 750 people on death row in California. They just don't get around to actually executing them. For the vast majority it's really death row in name only. It will be interesting to see what impact Prop 66 will have, as it is designed to speed up the process and reduce some kinds of appeals for capital punishment. The people voted to keep the death penalty, so it only makes sense to have it work properly if it is in place. Up til now, it has surely been a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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