[Proposal] Third line center 2nd unit powerplay and a 1st or 2nd unit PK

[Arrow 1983]

4 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Not for Nashville. 

And as I was writing the post I thought people would say Jake and Gaud was to much for Granlund Honestly

[canuktravella]

granlund was a free agent could have got him for free why would u give up gaud and jake are u clueless they are assets have ok  advanced metrics if benning trades them it will be for a young d man or young c

[canuktravella]

love proposals that are out to lunch

[Phil_314]

4 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Because on our team Virtanen is redundant we have too much winger depth Nash has a lack of winger depth. There is a spot for Jake on their team and I would guess playing would mean points.

Gaud is insurance policy that Nash doesn't lose it's center depth 

Nashville lacks quality centers right now, not wingers.  Their 4 top-6 wingers (Forsberg, Arvidsson, Granlund, Nick Cousins) lead the team in scoring, then it's Josi.  Kunin (who they traded Bonino and picks) and Sissons (who's probably not worth much and seems to have plateaued in scoring after his long deal but is a solid and gritty player) are their 3rd line wingers.  I could see them want Gaudette for 3rd C but also don't think it's time to sell low on him when he honestly performed well last season and could still have a niche or upside.    

[mll]

Granlund is their most used forward and Hynes uses him in every situation.  He has probably been their best forward under Hynes.

 

He’s also a winger and not a centre.  

 

Doubt Nashville has any interest in Virtanen or Gaudette.  They just don’t fit either their culture or how they want to play.  Hynes demands a solid 2-way game.  Poile says as GM his role is to bring in players who his coach wants to play.

 

Poile and players talked of work ethic and getting back to their roots of being just a hard working team.  They were critical of their lack of consistency and how they gave up too easily.  Virtanen would be an ill fit.  

 

 Hynes talks of the importance of holding on to the puck longer.  Gaudette doesn’t know how to hold on to the puck and doesn’t cycle.  He works hard because he is always chasing to get the puck back.  Was a comment by a senior scout to Drance.

[flickyoursedin]

Covid might bring salaries down on role players for a couple years. I like the idea of bringing Sutter back at a cheaper rate. Keep Sutter as the 3rd line center and in a couple years is the 4th line guy.

[Arrow 1983]

2 hours ago, canuktravella said:

granlund was a free agent could have got him for free why would u give up gaud and jake are u clueless they are assets have ok  advanced metrics if benning trades them it will be for a young d man or young c

 

58 minutes ago, mll said:

Granlund is their most used forward and Hynes uses him in every situation.  He has probably been their best forward under Hynes.

 

He’s also a winger and not a centre.  

 

Doubt Nashville has any interest in Virtanen or Gaudette.  They just don’t fit either their culture or how they want to play.  Hynes demands a solid 2-way game.  Poile says as GM his role is to bring in players who his coach wants to play.

 

Poile and players talked of work ethic and getting back to their roots of being just a hard working team.  They were critical of their lack of consistency and how they gave up too easily.  Virtanen would be an ill fit.  

 

 Hynes talks of the importance of holding on to the puck longer.  Gaudette doesn’t know how to hold on to the puck and doesn’t cycle.  He works hard because he is always chasing to get the puck back.  Was a comment by a senior scout to Drance.

Lol one guy argues Gaud and jake to good for Granlund next guy argues Granlund is to good for Gaud and Jake.

There it is people a perfect trade no side is happy

[Arrow 1983]

2 hours ago, canuktravella said:

love proposals that are out to lunch

We view things differently others already disagree with you.

In this case, I think your biases get in the way. 

So who do you have a hard on for Gaud Jake or both

[Arrow 1983]

2 hours ago, canuktravella said:

granlund was a free agent could have got him for free why would u give up gaud and jake are u clueless they are assets have ok  advanced metrics if benning trades them it will be for a young d man or young c

 

2 hours ago, canuktravella said:

love proposals that are out to lunch

I'd like to see how out to lunch your proposal would be 

Who is it that you believe is going to give up a young D man or young C for Jake and Gaud those are the most coveted positions in the league and both Jake and Gaud are not actually that young any more. My proposal works because Granlund is 28 years old and isn't the same player he once was but still provides what the Canucks need.  

 

Nash make the deal cause they are closer to a re-tool or even a rebuild then having any sort of window open and requires assists to make larger trades happen. Gaud and Jake wont land them a young D man or Young C either but they could be parts of a larger trade to acquire what they need. Or they work out or they find a fit with Nash.  Both these players could easily help their 3rd line. Virtanen could even play in their top 6. After Johansen, Duchene, Forsberg and Arvidsson they really don't have much going for them on forward. 

 

Jake and Horvat have no Chemistry they play different games, but Jake with Johansen or Duchene might they are different types of centers 

 

 

[Arrow 1983]

1 hour ago, Phil_314 said:

Nashville lacks quality centers right now, not wingers.  Their 4 top-6 wingers (Forsberg, Arvidsson, Granlund, Nick Cousins) lead the team in scoring, then it's Josi.  Kunin (who they traded Bonino and picks) and Sissons (who's probably not worth much and seems to have plateaued in scoring after his long deal but is a solid and gritty player) are their 3rd line wingers.  I could see them want Gaudette for 3rd C but also don't think it's time to sell low on him when he honestly performed well last season and could still have a niche or upside.    

Have you ever looked at Cousins Career stats. He is 27 and a proven bottom 6. I wouldn't even call him a #7 he has no place in a top 6 role. 

 

 Virtanen could play in their top 6. After Johansen, Duchene, Forsberg and Arvidsson they really don't have much going for them on forward. Kunin could still become a top 6 he is only 23 but Jake has put up better numbers so far. Sissons is 27 years old and not much better then Cousins.

 

Jake and Horvat have no Chemistry they play different games, but Jake with Johansen or Duchene might they are different types of centers

 

Gaud would fill their 3rd line center  

 

[canuktravella]

jake and gaud arent going to nashville  this isnt gm mode on ea sports

[mll]

5 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Have you ever looked at Cousins Career stats. He is 27 and a proven bottom 6. I wouldn't even call him a #7 he has no place in a top 6 role. 

 

 Virtanen could play in their top 6. After Johansen, Duchene, Forsberg and Arvidsson they really don't have much going for them on forward. Kunin could still become a top 6 he is only 23 but Jake has put up better numbers so far. Sissons is 27 years old and not much better then Cousins.

 

Jake and Horvat have no Chemistry they play different games, but Jake with Johansen or Duchene might they are different types of centers

 

Gaud would fill their 3rd line center  

 

Haula, Sissons or Janrkrok are far better options for C3 than Gaudette.  Even Kunin would be better than Gaudette.  They are better two-way players and don’t need to be sheltered. 

 

Nashville got away from working hard and it was something they had to correct.  Poile and players talked of how they lost their identity by playing too skilled and wanted to bring in hard workers and guys who will never quit.  That's not Virtanen.

 

Edited February 1, 2021 by mll

[IBatch]

14 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

All this Bennett talk started making me think who could fill a 3rd line Center role 2nd unit PP and a 1st or 2nd unit PK and then I realized there is one guy out there that we could actually get.

 

First why not Bennet

Bennett is a center Virtanen is a winger makes no sense for Cal to make the trade straight up so what else are you willing to give up.

 

Then the problem would be that Bennett would be behind both Petey and Horvat. That's his current problem now he is behind 2 centers. how long before he wants a trade from Van.

 

Where does that put Gaud. Gaud doesn't want to be traded out. So now Benning will have to move Gaud out and have a new guy complaining about his mins. Then Bennett asks for a trade and we end up with what at 3rd line center. Plus what does Bennett do to the Chemistry in the room.

 

So my Proposal is 

 

Van

Virtanen and Gaud 

to

 

Nash 

for Mikael Granlund

 

First the quarantine issue, Virtanen isn't even in the line-up right now and Gaud doesn't play PK and Sutter can fill his role on the 2nd unit PP for 2 weeks.

 

Why Nash does it they get 2 younger players, Nash could use some new faces new life they are currently Playing .500. Both players could be trade assets down the road 

 

Why Van does it, we have to much redundancy Virtanen doesn't fit anymore and with Pod coming in May Jake is being pushed further down the depth chart, Gaud doesn't fit the role completely he doesn't PK. Granlund fills all the roles and is a great pick up for a real push.

 

Note, if not a trade this season how about a UFA signing next season fills Gaud and Sutter role with one player. Will still have to get rid of Virtanen

 

OR we just re-sign Sutter this off season, with the intent to drop him down when Beagles deal is up.   

 

Trading for Bennet is a good idea - except he plays for CAL... what is the biggest trade we have ever had with CAL or EDM?   Swapping underused or underperforming RFAs happens often enough .... but it's still CAL.   

 

If we simply re-signed Sutter it would give the team a year or two of drafting to fill that need ...  OR we could swap one of our several wingers/C's into that role - Motte for sure comes to mind.

 

I do agree we need to be thinking about our next 3C...and ideally we want one who can move up.    Miller/EP/Horvat for sure mitigate our top six during an injury, which always happens...

 

And we also have McEwen ... but not enough.   Bottom six last year for Vegas ...Stastny .. wow.   So get where you going with this but the price tag also matters. 

[Phil_314]

9 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Have you ever looked at Cousins Career stats. He is 27 and a proven bottom 6. I wouldn't even call him a #7 he has no place in a top 6 role. 

 

 Virtanen could play in their top 6. After Johansen, Duchene, Forsberg and Arvidsson they really don't have much going for them on forward. Kunin could still become a top 6 he is only 23 but Jake has put up better numbers so far. Sissons is 27 years old and not much better then Cousins.

 

Jake and Horvat have no Chemistry they play different games, but Jake with Johansen or Duchene might they are different types of centers

 

Gaud would fill their 3rd line center  

 

Sure, Cousins probably is a bottom-6 hardworking type, but fact is he's still more productive this season than a Jake whose play warranted time in the press box.  At times Jake just goes around, does some work on the forecheck but it doesn't lead anywhere, and he's also inconsistent when it comes to those "power forward" type of rushes for goals.  If he was more consistent we'd want him too, but when your primary weapon isn't consistent and the rest of the time you're essentially a support player, I'm not sure he'd fit on a lunch pail team and he might piss off the guys with heart who don't just give up on a play (also keep in mind again that Jake only has the 1 goal so he doesn't add much to the "don't have much going for them" situation up front).

Agreed also that on a team focused on two-way play, Gaudette doesn't really fit.  If he was on say Boston, Philly, St Louis or LA (with Bergeron, Couturier, O'Rielly and Kopitar respectively) and they had offensive needs he could be an offensive minded 3rd C.  Nashville doesn't have the top-heavy defensive #1 who can shelter him, and even here he got beaten out for a defensive 3rd C role by Sutter.  Doubt he has a chance against someone also quick and gritty like Haula who fits their system better.