eeeeergh Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 So clearly management doesnt have any patience Problem is theyve backed themselves into a corner with this buyout. Theyre clearing enough cap space but incurring a big enough cap hit to improve the club exactly 0%. Id rather they have done nothing, and waited for OEL to rebound, but alternatively, do EVERYTHING Assuming Pearson and Poolman ride LTIR all year long To Toronto: Demko To Vancouver: 2023 1st (Bostons) Knies Niemela (Toronto needs a goaltender and they need it now, no more of this matt murray nonsense) To LA Hoglander 2023 3rd round pick (Torontos) To Vancouver Matt Roy (LA has a glut of young defensemen who can take roy's place and could use the cap space, esp after signing Gavrikov) To Boston: 2023 3rd round pick (Vancouvers) Noah Juulsen To Vancouver: Derek Forbort Boston frees up cap space (they must do so) and gets a decent RD prospect who plays a similar style to forbort To Columbus: Vancouver 2023 1st (11oa) Boston 2023 1st (28oa) Vancouver 2024 1st (unprotected) Vasily Podkolzin To Vancouver: Columbus 2023 1st (3oa) - and draft Leo Carlsson To Arizona: Myers (after bonus is paid) To Vancouver: Future considerations Arizona pays next to no real cash, can retain cap at the deadline, and flip Myers at the deadline to another team for a pick and have him off the books the following year. UFA Signings: Graves (5x5) Acciari (2x 2.5) Jarry (6x6) Lineup next year: Kuzmenko-Petey-Beauvillier Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser Joshua-Carlsson-Garland Studnicka-Acciari-Aman Hughes-Roy Graves-Hronek Hirose-Forbort (Forbort can play the right side) Better lineup and added Niemela + Knies to our prospect pool AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: So clearly management doesnt have any patience Problem is theyve backed themselves into a corner with this buyout. Theyre clearing enough cap space but incurring a big enough cap hit to improve the club exactly 0%. Id rather they have done nothing, and waited for OEL to rebound, but alternatively, do EVERYTHING Assuming Pearson and Poolman ride LTIR all year long To Toronto: Demko To Vancouver: 2023 1st (Bostons) Knies Niemela (Toronto needs a goaltender and they need it now, no more of this matt murray nonsense) To LA Hoglander 2023 3rd round pick (Torontos) To Vancouver Matt Roy (LA has a glut of young defensemen who can take roy's place and could use the cap space, esp after signing Gavrikov) To Boston: 2023 3rd round pick (Vancouvers) Noah Juulsen To Vancouver: Derek Forbort Boston frees up cap space (they must do so) and gets a decent RD prospect who plays a similar style to forbort To Columbus: Vancouver 2023 1st (11oa) Boston 2023 1st (28oa) Vancouver 2024 1st (unprotected) Vasily Podkolzin To Vancouver: Columbus 2023 1st (3oa) - and draft Leo Carlsson To Arizona: Myers (after bonus is paid) To Vancouver: Future considerations Arizona pays next to no real cash, can retain cap at the deadline, and flip Myers at the deadline to another team for a pick and have him off the books the following year. UFA Signings: Graves (5x5) Acciari (2x 2.5) Jarry (6x6) Lineup next year: Kuzmenko-Petey-Beauvillier Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser Joshua-Carlsson-Garland Studnicka-Acciari-Aman Hughes-Roy Graves-Hronek Hirose-Forbort (Forbort can play the right side) Better lineup and added Niemela + Knies to our prospect pool AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Goalies don’t get that kind of return Juulsen is a pending UFA and honestly the kind of guy they can pick up on waivers There is zero chance Columbus trades 3rd OA for a bunch of lessor mystery boxes. It’ll cost an asset to move Myers. Even to Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Forwards are fine, but they need to trade a couple of wingers IMO (Boeser and Garland) Bring back a D in a trade, sign a UFA D. Hughes - (?) (?) - Hronek Brisebois/Wolanin - Myers Hirose - Burroughs/Juulsen It's not perfect, but could be good enough with good goaltending (Demko-Silovs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, eeeeergh said: So clearly management doesnt have any patience Problem is theyve backed themselves into a corner with this buyout. Theyre clearing enough cap space but incurring a big enough cap hit to improve the club exactly 0%. Id rather they have done nothing, and waited for OEL to rebound, but alternatively, do EVERYTHING Assuming Pearson and Poolman ride LTIR all year long To Toronto: Demko To Vancouver: 2023 1st (Bostons) Knies Niemela (Toronto needs a goaltender and they need it now, no more of this matt murray nonsense) To LA Hoglander 2023 3rd round pick (Torontos) To Vancouver Matt Roy (LA has a glut of young defensemen who can take roy's place and could use the cap space, esp after signing Gavrikov) To Boston: 2023 3rd round pick (Vancouvers) Noah Juulsen To Vancouver: Derek Forbort Boston frees up cap space (they must do so) and gets a decent RD prospect who plays a similar style to forbort To Columbus: Vancouver 2023 1st (11oa) Boston 2023 1st (28oa) Vancouver 2024 1st (unprotected) Vasily Podkolzin To Vancouver: Columbus 2023 1st (3oa) - and draft Leo Carlsson To Arizona: Myers (after bonus is paid) To Vancouver: Future considerations Arizona pays next to no real cash, can retain cap at the deadline, and flip Myers at the deadline to another team for a pick and have him off the books the following year. UFA Signings: Graves (5x5) Acciari (2x 2.5) Jarry (6x6) Lineup next year: Kuzmenko-Petey-Beauvillier Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser Joshua-Carlsson-Garland Studnicka-Acciari-Aman Hughes-Royt Graves-Hronek Hirose-Forbort (Forbort can play the right side) Better lineup and added Niemela + Knies to our prospect pool AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA OEL was - 24. How many games did you attend live? Watching him live all year he could not turn and got beat wide to the left. His offensive numbers were ok given his limited PP time but he wasn't anywhere near worth his contract based on his offense - and his defense was terrible. Wait for him to rebound?? Ok you hit the nail on the head. He is not going to rebound. Even if he has a better year next year he is still past being a player who is anywhere near worth the money. Buying him out is a money play. And the right one. So I absolutely think management did the right thing here and I absolutely think you are dreaming of puppies and rainbows if you want to wait for this guy to become worth his contract. He will only regress over time. Buyout was now. Good move. Benning was an idiot. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, eeeeergh said: So clearly management doesnt have any patience Problem is theyve backed themselves into a corner with this buyout. Theyre clearing enough cap space but incurring a big enough cap hit to improve the club exactly 0%. Id rather they have done nothing, and waited for OEL to rebound, but alternatively, do EVERYTHING Assuming Pearson and Poolman ride LTIR all year long To Toronto: Demko To Vancouver: 2023 1st (Bostons) Knies Niemela (Toronto needs a goaltender and they need it now, no more of this matt murray nonsense) To LA Hoglander 2023 3rd round pick (Torontos) To Vancouver Matt Roy (LA has a glut of young defensemen who can take roy's place and could use the cap space, esp after signing Gavrikov) To Boston: 2023 3rd round pick (Vancouvers) Noah Juulsen To Vancouver: Derek Forbort Boston frees up cap space (they must do so) and gets a decent RD prospect who plays a similar style to forbort To Columbus: Vancouver 2023 1st (11oa) Boston 2023 1st (28oa) Vancouver 2024 1st (unprotected) Vasily Podkolzin To Vancouver: Columbus 2023 1st (3oa) - and draft Leo Carlsson To Arizona: Myers (after bonus is paid) To Vancouver: Future considerations Arizona pays next to no real cash, can retain cap at the deadline, and flip Myers at the deadline to another team for a pick and have him off the books the following year. UFA Signings: Graves (5x5) Acciari (2x 2.5) Jarry (6x6) Lineup next year: Kuzmenko-Petey-Beauvillier Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser Joshua-Carlsson-Garland Studnicka-Acciari-Aman Hughes-Roy Graves-Hronek Hirose-Forbort (Forbort can play the right side) Better lineup and added Niemela + Knies to our prospect pool AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Never make that trade.. Canucks want to keep first rounders? Giving up 11th O/A -- 1st rounder 2024 ---- Boston 28th O/A- Podkolzin ? Draft Carlsson 3rd O/A Never Never. Basically 4 first rounders for Carlsson Won't happen.. Never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, wildcam said: Never make that trade.. Canucks want to keep first rounders? Giving up 11th O/A -- 1st rounder 2024 ---- Boston 28th O/A- Podkolzin ? Draft Carlsson 3rd O/A Never Never. Basically 4 first rounders for Carlsson Won't happen.. Never That’s what itd take to get Carlson I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, fanfor42 said: OEL was - 24. How many games did you attend live? Watching him live all year he could not turn and got beat wide to the left. His offensive numbers were ok given his limited PP time but he wasn't anywhere near worth his contract based on his offense - and his defense was terrible. Wait for him to rebound?? Ok you hit the nail on the head. He is not going to rebound. Even if he has a better year next year he is still past being a player who is anywhere near worth the money. Buying him out is a money play. And the right one. So I absolutely think management did the right thing here and I absolutely think you are dreaming of puppies and rainbows if you want to wait for this guy to become worth his contract. He will only regress over time. Buyout was now. Good move. Benning was an idiot. I went to a decent number of live games, 7-8 I watched most games though OEL was bad this year, clearly had serious mobility issues. I liked how he ran the powerplay when Hughes was out. overall clearly something was way off with him, he was not the same player that played like a great shutdown defenseman the year prior. the drop off in his play was too severe to be due to natural age-Ing. And he confirmed an injury after the season was over. waiting a year to see if he regained his prior year form was the best move, even if it meant writing off this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: That’s what itd take to get Carlson I think Yeah but 3 first rounders ? you could draft some talented players.. Rather Canucks keep picks or trade a pick for proven NHL player under 25.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, wildcam said: Yeah but 3 first rounders ? you could draft some talented players.. Rather Canucks keep picks or trade a pick for proven NHL player under 25.. Carlson has franchise player upside though mats sundin caliber player would be an absolute monster for us for the next 15 years and he’s ready to step into the lineup immediately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Carlson has franchise player upside though mats sundin caliber player would be an absolute monster for us for the next 15 years and he’s ready to step into the lineup immediately yeah I know what your say but giving up 3 first rounders and Podkolzin is a boat load.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 Just now, wildcam said: yeah I know what your say but giving up 3 first rounders and Podkolzin is a boat load.. 4x 1st round assets was the price to get Eichel out of buffalo, despite the fact that he had already announced he wanted out It’d be a high price but I’d say worth it Carlson is far and away better than anyone else we would draft with any of those picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, eeeeergh said: Carlson has franchise player upside though mats sundin caliber player would be an absolute monster for us for the next 15 years and he’s ready to step into the lineup immediately And that's why CBJ are most likely not trading the pick. They hope to draft their franchise C1. Davidson, their president of hockey ops and Kekaleinen's boss, is talking of getting a franchise changing C1. CBJ has already gone through their rebuild and that C1 is their finishing touch. Edited June 17, 2023 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 LA already has too many Fs. Gavrikov-Roy was the pairing that was so effective for LA. Wouldn't expect them to want to break that up just yet. Would expect Durzi to be available more than Roy - his UFA status in a year could shake him loose but likely for a much larger trade like PLD for example. Clarke/Spence can't replace Roy - not the same style of game while either could replace Durzi. Can't see Vancouver trading Demko. Buying out OEL signals they want to make the playoffs and they'll need Demko. Their D-corps has even more holes now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 17 hours ago, fanfor42 said: OEL was - 24. How many games did you attend live? Watching him live all year he could not turn and got beat wide to the left. His offensive numbers were ok given his limited PP time but he wasn't anywhere near worth his contract based on his offense - and his defense was terrible. Wait for him to rebound?? Ok you hit the nail on the head. He is not going to rebound. Even if he has a better year next year he is still past being a player who is anywhere near worth the money. Buying him out is a money play. And the right one. So I absolutely think management did the right thing here and I absolutely think you are dreaming of puppies and rainbows if you want to wait for this guy to become worth his contract. He will only regress over time. Buyout was now. Good move. Benning was an idiot. So now OEL is the scapegoat for Canucks having AHL goaltending for most of the season last year? What was OEL +/- when Demko returned healthy? Also keep in mind that OEL apparently had a broken foot as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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