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#1 lappykass

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:33 PM

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What did you guys think of his post-season performance? I thought he looked absolute fantasic and did exactly what we thought he could do, all while getting 3rd pairing minutes. He was energetic, smart, and played with speed and power. Would you trade him in the offseason or try him out for the first 15 games or so with top 4 minutes? All opinoins are welcome:P
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:38 PM

He played pretty well I thought. Just wish his cap hit wasn't as high
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:39 PM

Willing to bet my left nut MG already tried to trade him. He was great though and I hope he keeps it up. =)
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:40 PM

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I would rather Grabner and Howden and have used the cap for resigning Mitchell. MG's biggest blunder, he's pretty good otherwise.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:41 PM

I would rather Grabner and Howden and have used the cap for resigning Mitchell. MG's biggest blunder, he's pretty good otherwise.

It's best not to dwell on the past. Just get over it.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:42 PM

If we trade with Tampa Bay, you can almost rest assured that Ballard is going with Luongo as part of the deal.

They are desperate for D-men, and he has shown that even though he is a very good player... he just isn't fitting into the niche we need here. I suspect that his spot will be ripe for the "bigger, stronger" element that Gillis is looking for. With Tanev and Gragnani almost certainly spending the year up with the big club, his skills are a bit superfluous.

Expect to see a meaner customer signed on defence in his stead.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:42 PM

I really like our pairings of

Tanev - Ballard
Bieksa - Hamhuis

I just want that key RD from Toronto for Luongo (Schenn and Franson come to mind)
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:44 PM

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i still see a place for him on this team
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:47 PM

i still see a place for him on this team


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:47 PM

Sorry to burst the bubble, but he was terrible. I've already posted the numbers in other forums, but he was one of the worst Canucks defenseman (other than Salo) in that series.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:49 PM

Sorry to burst the bubble, but he was terrible. I've already posted the numbers in other forums, but he was one of the worst Canucks defenseman (other than Salo) in that series.


What statistics were you looking at? He was the only damn defenseman who knew how to play offense in that series on our team.

Show me the numbers please.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:50 PM

What statistics were you looking at? He was the only damn defenseman who knew how to play offense in that series on our team.

Show me the numbers please.


Sure. Do you know how I can look at my previous posts?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:51 PM

ballard -- tanev, the best pairing in the playoffs by far..
if he can return to 20+ minute form then his 4.2m will be great.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:52 PM

I would rather Grabner and Howden and have used the cap for resigning Mitchell. MG's biggest blunder, he's pretty good otherwise.

. Grabner is getting paid over 3m right now, and he sucks ass. One year wonder. He was on their 4th line most nights. Yes the Islanders have a 4th line.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:55 PM

Sorry to burst the bubble, but he was terrible. I've already posted the numbers in other forums, but he was one of the worst Canucks defenseman (other than Salo) in that series.


What?

He was better than Bieksa and Edler. He looked very good out there, way better than last year.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:03 PM

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:03 PM

Sorry to burst the bubble, but he was terrible. I've already posted the numbers in other forums, but he was one of the worst Canucks defenseman (other than Salo) in that series.

http://www.nhl.com/i...iewName=summary

dunno what stats you were looking at, -1 in 4 games played, 14minutes avg icetime, 3rd on defence of +/- only behind his partner Tanev and Bieksa at +0
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:05 PM

grabner is garbage
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:07 PM

. Grabner is getting paid over 3m right now, and he sucks ass. One year wonder. He was on their 4th line most nights. Yes the Islanders have a 4th line.


Agreed, I watched a few Islander games this season and he looks lost as ever out there. He is brutal defensively and really isn't worth the 3m. Hopefully he can turn it around next season
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:11 PM

I want Ballard to stay for one reason alone...

...He entertains me!

The team is just more fun with KB4 around.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:13 PM

http://www.nhl.com/i...iewName=summary

dunno what stats you were looking at, -1 in 4 games played, 14minutes avg icetime, 3rd on defence of +/- only behind his partner Tanev and Bieksa at +0


Plus/minus stats are not exactly relevant stats, the underlying ones tell the real story.

He played against the plugs (3rd and 4th) lines majority of his shifts, averaged the smallest icetime, and was still on the ice for 2 goals against at even strength (Tanev = 0). His useless penalty in gm 2 led directly to the GWG for LA. He was a -5 chance differential in the entire series, only Salo and Hamhuis were worse (and Hammer/Salo played more mins against toughest/tough competition).

Given that he hadn't played hockey in months, they probably aren't horrible numbers - but he should have been replaced by Rome IMO (things I never thought I'd say).
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

He said he learned a lot from being concussed.

Watching the games from the press box.

Not gonna lie seems like he had a 180 degree turn around.

No way we trade him after such a dominant performance against a team that beat us in 5.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:32 PM

Plus/minus stats are not exactly relevant stats, the underlying ones tell the real story.

He played against the plugs (3rd and 4th) lines majority of his shifts, averaged the smallest icetime, and was still on the ice for 2 goals against at even strength (Tanev = 0). His useless penalty in gm 2 led directly to the GWG for LA. He was a -5 chance differential in the entire series, only Salo and Hamhuis were worse (and Hammer/Salo played more mins against toughest/tough competition).

Given that he hadn't played hockey in months, they probably aren't horrible numbers - but he should have been replaced by Rome IMO (things I never thought I'd say).


You can't really use that kind of stat against him. You can't expect him to create multiple scoring chances on his own, his linemates need to create the chances too.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:47 PM

Ballard is changed. He is a great defensman and looked it during the playoffs.

We will see his worth in October for sure.

He will be top 4 next season. A couple of defenseman will be traded in conjunction with a forward for a top tier blueliner this summer in Vancouver.

Ballard won't be one of them.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:56 PM

You can't really use that kind of stat against him. You can't expect him to create multiple scoring chances on his own, his linemates need to create the chances too.


I agree that stats aren't everything, and really it's a small sample size. I just don't see Ballard getting top 4 minutes on this team, and when he's eating $4.2M of cap space, he's not well utilized. He's a lefty who can't play the right side. Edler and Hamhuis are ahead of him on the depth chart, unless he can consistently play better than either of them- he won't get the ice time.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:59 PM

Edler-Wideman
Hamhuis-Bieksa
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:00 AM

He better be in the top four next season. If they are going to keep him on the bottom pairing, then trade him. If he had top minutes, I think he would do well.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:01 AM

I like Ballard's skating, vision, physical play and great attitude. He runs around a bit too much in his own zone and I sometimes question his hockey sense, but I think he has a future in Vancouver. And the salary is the salary. You either eat it, or you move him out for someone cheaper with a similar skill set and lower cap hit. Like any of those are available....
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:09 AM

MG has typically made one move too many. Hamhuis was a great acquisition, but we didn't need Ballard. Likewise, Pahlsson was a great addition but we didn't need Kassian.

I wish Mitchell re-signed here and we had Hamhuis as well, Cup winning team right here:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (great top line)
Grabner - Kesler - Raymond (amazing speedy line, the 3 played great together)
Higgins - Lapierre - Booth (ex-Habs chemistry, great forechecking and can score)
Malhotra - Pahlsson - Hansen (shutdown line, all 3 are great defensively)

Edler - Hamhuis
Mitchell - Bieksa
Salo - Tanev/Rome
Alberts

Luongo
Schneider

That team probably would have won a Cup.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:13 AM

. Grabner is getting paid over 3m right now, and he sucks ass. One year wonder. He was on their 4th line most nights. Yes the Islanders have a 4th line.


Grabner still had a 20 goal season which is about right for 3 mil
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