Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo
* - - - - 4 votes

We Should Stop Looking At Raymonds Down Side


  • Please log in to reply
238 replies to this topic

#1 TACIC

TACIC

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,386 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 12

Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:38 AM

Evreybody is looking at his downside.why don't we look at his upside.fast speedy young winger who has a hard but inaccurate shot.maybe he needs the right center.someone who can feed him the puck
  • 1
AUmxe4h.gif
Credit to JimLahey for this awesome sig

TACIC

Yes i am a Leafs fan too, DEAL WITH IT!!

Go Canucks Go!

#2 Tanev's Smirk

Tanev's Smirk

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,462 posts
  • Joined: 30-August 09

Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:40 AM

*
POPULAR

We're forced to look at his downside because of the amount of times he falls face first in to the ice.

I'm sure we'd all love to see his upside.
  • 35

#3 Snake Doctor

Snake Doctor

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,096 posts
  • Joined: 30-September 08

Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:42 AM

I'd give him one more shot.
  • 1
Posted Image


#4 Raph

Raph

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,590 posts
  • Joined: 23-January 09

Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:45 AM

*
POPULAR

Speedy wingers with an inaccurate shot? They are a dime a dozen in the NHL now.

Edited by Raph, 09 May 2012 - 08:45 AM.

  • 7
Untouchables: Tanev, Jensen, Kassian
Mostly untouchable: Sedins (need someone to man the fort and no trade value)
Open to trade: Everyone else
Drive to airport: Bieksa, Edler

Bring back: Ehrhoff

#5 Ginu

Ginu

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 537 posts
  • Joined: 30-January 09

Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:45 AM

Hard to look at his any positives for a guy who has many troubles.

Unfortunately upsides<downsides for MayRay
  • 0
Posted Image

#6 lateralus

lateralus

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,999 posts
  • Joined: 27-June 09

Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:47 AM

*
POPULAR

Wait so his UPSIDE is that he's a small speedy winger with a hard but inaccurate shot?

I'd hate to hear what his downside is. yikes.
  • 13
CDC is a reflection of society.


Posted ImagePosted Image

#7 c00kies

c00kies

    Cookie Monster

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,574 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 07

Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:47 AM

*
POPULAR

We already have Jannik Hansen who can be a speedy 2-way forward, so that diminishes Raymond's importance on the team.
  • 9
Posted Image
Thanks to Blueberries for the sig :)

#8 TACIC

TACIC

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,386 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 12

Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:50 AM

Well Raymond shot has never been the same since that broken thumb.
  • 0
AUmxe4h.gif
Credit to JimLahey for this awesome sig

TACIC

Yes i am a Leafs fan too, DEAL WITH IT!!

Go Canucks Go!

#9 TotesMagotes

TotesMagotes

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,318 posts
  • Joined: 29-November 07

Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:58 AM

*
POPULAR

Raymonds upside isn't his shot. It's alright, but he can't rely on it.

His strengths are using his speed and agility along the boards to create open space for himself to drive to the net.

We have seen this from Raymond before. A full off season of training and working out is going to do wonders.

Raymond will be the biggest surprise next season. Quote me on it.
  • 7
Posted Image

#10 TACIC

TACIC

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,386 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 12

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:01 AM

Raymonds upside isn't his shot. It's alright, but he can't rely on it.

His strengths are using his speed and agility along the boards to create open space for himself to drive to the net.

We have seen this from Raymond before. A full off season of training and working out is going to do wonders.

Raymond will be the biggest surprise next season. Quote me on it.

agreed he has never had the chance to recover with the vertebrae and the thumb
  • 3
AUmxe4h.gif
Credit to JimLahey for this awesome sig

TACIC

Yes i am a Leafs fan too, DEAL WITH IT!!

Go Canucks Go!

#11 avelanch

avelanch

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 34,535 posts
  • Joined: 23-March 07

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:02 AM

*
POPULAR

Wait so his UPSIDE is that he's a small speedy winger with a hard but inaccurate shot?

I'd hate to hear what his downside is. yikes.

the downside is that it's not a hard shot, and he falls down when he comes in contact with any of the following:
a player
the boards
a ref
a players stick
a loose stick laying on the ice
the puck
a groove in the ice
a chip in the ice
a small breeze
a speck of dust
a photon
  • 11

#12 D-Money

D-Money

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,340 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:07 AM

*
POPULAR

Posted Image
  • 5
Posted Image

#13 c00kies

c00kies

    Cookie Monster

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,574 posts
  • Joined: 06-January 07

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:07 AM

the downside is that it's not a hard shot, and he falls down when he comes in contact with any of the following:
a player
the boards
a ref
a players stick
a loose stick laying on the ice
the puck
a groove in the ice
a chip in the ice
a small breeze
a speck of dust
a photon


you forgot to mention coloured lines ;)

His upside is utilizing his speed to help defensively and on the penalty kill. He'd be better used in a 3rd/4th line role, but 2+ million is a lot to pay for that when we still have bigger roles to fill.
  • 1
Posted Image
Thanks to Blueberries for the sig :)

#14 Sick Hands

Sick Hands

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,606 posts
  • Joined: 22-December 08

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:09 AM

Evreybody is looking at his downside.why don't we look at his upside.fast speedy young winger who has a hard but inaccurate shot.maybe he needs the right center.someone who can feed him the puck


Funny how when you describe Raymonds positives you use the same adjective twice, shows what a one dimensional soft player he is.

Sorry but there is no room for Raymond, he is not what this team needs.

FYI, Raymonds shot is effing weak! dont know where saw his "hard" shot from.
  • 1

A Toast to Aquillini for getting Torterella.

An owner who knows what the people want.

That's entertainment.


#15 Losing With Pride

Losing With Pride

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,726 posts
  • Joined: 21-November 06

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:29 AM

Raymond is wonderful on the PK
  • 1

#16 TOMapleLaughs

TOMapleLaughs

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 32,921 posts
  • Joined: 19-September 05

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:35 AM

Upside: Blazing speed.

Downside: A breeze knocks him down.

He is a 'New NHL' player. Unfortunately at the moment the NHL looks old again. Cheers.


TOML
  • 1
Posted Image

#17 bluesman60

bluesman60

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,448 posts
  • Joined: 18-September 09

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:38 AM

Raymond is still playing like he is nervous about his back (understandably). If he would start busting to the middle or taking the puck to the middle, he would be way more effective and that may take time for him get over the injuries.
Vancouver has to make the right moves now so that they can take advantage of the Sedin's and Kesler's talent while they are at their peak. In order to do that, they need a big forward like Nash to play with them and Raymond does not fit that bill....Raymond is not a player that is going to play a gritty skilled game...he is the roadrunner....meep meep gone...
He can be a valuable player on a team that needs speed on the forecheck and has enough skill to score a few perimeter goals. He just needs to go to the right team...and that team is not Vancouver...he just doesn't fit the skillset that is required for next season.
  • 0

#18 crime911

crime911

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 420 posts
  • Joined: 27-May 11

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:41 AM

we have given his many chances. he played with Sedins, kesler line 3rd line. I think its time for him to go.
  • 1
Posted Image

#19 Kesler's Pain Face

Kesler's Pain Face

    K-Wing Regular

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 26 posts
  • Joined: 07-May 12

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:44 AM

But he has no upside
  • 0

#20 TACIC

TACIC

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,386 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 12

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:47 AM

If u broke ur back would u go to the net?
  • 0
AUmxe4h.gif
Credit to JimLahey for this awesome sig

TACIC

Yes i am a Leafs fan too, DEAL WITH IT!!

Go Canucks Go!

#21 Smyl ( :

Smyl ( :

    Comets Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 164 posts
  • Joined: 04-April 12

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:48 AM

too finesse...we need strength to go to the front of the net..or a 3rd or 4th line banger..(Booth took his spot)
  • 0

#22 TACIC

TACIC

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,386 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 12

Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:49 AM

Banger banger maybe we needed speed to beat the greenes and Mitchell's of Los angeles
  • 0
AUmxe4h.gif
Credit to JimLahey for this awesome sig

TACIC

Yes i am a Leafs fan too, DEAL WITH IT!!

Go Canucks Go!

#23 Trelane42

Trelane42

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 435 posts
  • Joined: 08-July 10

Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:00 AM

I take issue with him having a "hard but inaccurate shot." 1) It doesn't look hard, and 2) is actually uncanny in its accuracy of finding the crest of all puck stoppers.

Seriously, the guy is a poster boy for what ails this team. Speedy, skilled, smallish player that won't hurt a fly, has no playoff gear and is totally devoid of elbow grease. If he's back I'll question the MG extension.

I'll take a late round pick for his rights but wouldn't be upset if we loose him for nothing.

Edited by Trelane42, 09 May 2012 - 10:01 AM.

  • 0

#24 Thunder Bunnies

Thunder Bunnies

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,585 posts
  • Joined: 16-August 10

Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:04 AM

It seems as if no matter where you put Raymond in the lineup, he doesn't fit ..
  • 0

#25 ROuongo

ROuongo

    K-Wing Prospect

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 9 posts
  • Joined: 25-September 11

Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:08 AM

hahahaha wow. really an upside where is this upside u speak of this is comical. he has played with henrick, kesler, manny, insert any other canucks centre who played with the club this year. so, what we are supposed to trade one of our centres to get someone for an underproducing 3rd line winger just because he has speed and a "hard shot". and as far as a hard shot i have a blast and i know lots of other guys on my beer league team that do to, doesn't mean that any of us should be pros. and as far as being timid then hockey isn't the sport for you, he's not the first guy to have any injury and come back. so princess needs to suck it up drink a cup of cement and harden up. i once again refer to this kids letter who asked him to stop sucking so bad, even he can see his down side.
  • 0

#26 crime911

crime911

    Comets Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 420 posts
  • Joined: 27-May 11

Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:22 AM

If u broke ur back would u go to the net?


then kesler (hip and shoulder surgery) should stop playing hockey and booth should enjoy golfing after concussion.
  • 0
Posted Image

#27 thad

thad

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,246 posts
  • Joined: 09-February 09

Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:23 AM

if he wants to get back to being successful in the nhl he needs to work on getting rid of the puck in the offensive zone. hes good defensivly and great at moving the puck up the ice and gaining the zone but once he gets there he hangs on to it too long and loses it.

i think he still has a chance. he should go to a young team with a coach that coaches the players more.. av's you know what to do style doesnt work for him.
  • 0

#28 TACIC

TACIC

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,386 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 12

Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:27 AM

Raymond-lapierre-Hansen .pure speed
  • 0
AUmxe4h.gif
Credit to JimLahey for this awesome sig

TACIC

Yes i am a Leafs fan too, DEAL WITH IT!!

Go Canucks Go!

#29 SimplyHockey

SimplyHockey

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,630 posts
  • Joined: 24-September 08

Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:32 AM

Unfortunately, many fail to see the same pattern in the play of players who are returning from injury. You can poke sticks at their play, but it does not change the fact that the psychological aspect of feeling re-injury may occur never leaves the mind of a player and subsequently, it hampers their play. It is obvious, Raymond, Bieksa, Edler, Ballard, Booth, Hamhuis, Salo etc, players who have been injured have taken/are taking a long time to get back to their old form. Case in point: Willie Mitchell (now a King) is just now starting to play at his old level after Malkin injured him 3 years ago. Sometimes it is just really tough for a player to make himself go into areas he knows could result in a replay of the same disaster.

It happens to every player but some fortunately get back to their level quicker than others. That is part of the game and no amout of complaining or being disdainful about a player will ever change a thing.

Just look what happens to Kesler each time he plays with reckless abandon. Once again he is injured. Ask yourself, did he get back to his level of great play after hip surgery. We all know the answer to that one don't we? C'est la vie in professional sports.
  • 2
"If you win say nothing, if you lose say less."

#30 Kassian's Tooth

Kassian's Tooth

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,306 posts
  • Joined: 10-January 09

Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:42 AM

If u broke ur back would u go to the net?

no, I'd retire.
  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.