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#31 The Kassassin Train

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 12:38 PM

Not. Worthy. Of. Response.


But you did anyway?

The key difference is that Sopel can fill in for Seabrook and Campbell just fine. Bieksa, he is garbage so in that sense he is like the worst defenseman in the league.


When Cody (Hodgson) gets older, he might be better than Datsyuk.


Let's not push this guy (Kassian). He's still immature, and if he fails on the 2nd line it's because he isn't ready. Some guys really need years to develop, it's how well and how fast players adapt to the game. In my opinion, I'd rather have Horvat getting 2nd line minutes. He will start off on the 3rd line next season but I see him making the transition, being a great compliment to whoever plays his wings.

At this point, I don't see Kassian fitting in to any role other than a 3rd. If players like Kassian start getting 2nd line minutes then we just stay inconsistent as a team.


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 12:39 PM

Wow, so many negative threads even after we score a high profile UFA. First you call Sami Salo glass man then your upset he left. Whatever....

29 teams every year have this potential problem every year, yet a lot of them manage to retain their players.

As long as the team remains ultra-competitive, then what's the issue?


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 12:42 PM

Some players might leave and pursue a Stanley Cup ring elsewhere. That's part of the business and all teams suffer/succeed and deal with these things every year. Nothing strange happening in that department.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 12:43 PM

We give the players all they need to make a run at the cup. That's enough. Winning is up to them.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 01:27 PM

makes me wonder why some players request a trade or leave to sign else where?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 01:49 PM

Regardless of whether or not you guys agree with all the crazy salaries out there (Wideman, Suter, Price, Parise), I can't help but think many of the Canucks players may be starting to feel like they're leaving a lot of money on the table to stay with the organization in hopes of winning a cup.

Gillis mentions multiple times that players are taking a lower salary so that the club can have enough money to add talented pieces in order to win the Cup.
But there are no guarantees in sports and they don't win the Cup in the next year or two, players will start thinking it's better to go free agency and make crazy money.

It's probably safe to say Sedins can get more than $7M each on the open market.

Regardless of whether or not you guys agree with all the crazy salaries out there (Wideman, Suter, Price, Parise), I can't help but think many of the Canucks players may be starting to feel like they're leaving a lot of money on the table to stay with the organization in hopes of winning a cup.

Gillis mentions multiple times that players are taking a lower salary so that the club can have enough money to add talented pieces in order to win the Cup.
But there are no guarantees in sports and they don't win the Cup in the next year or two, players will start thinking it's better to go free agency and make crazy money.

It's probably safe to say Sedins can get more than $7M each on the open market.



SO, let them go if that's what they want.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:57 PM

And uproot their whole families, and go to a team that doesn't have as much success in the last 5 years as the Canucks?


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:38 PM

How many teams have more underpaid players than the Canucks?
I know money isn't everything but when you're looking at Burrows making $2M in today's NHL, that's really bad.


No not bad just talent willing to take less to have the chance. BURR is dedicated to the club much like others that have chosen to stay for less. All the players that make the choice to stay are willing to sacrifice money for the chance at the cup. Others that chose to leave either feel that it is time to move on, want more money, or feel that there time has come to an end in BC. It does not make them any less of a player or a bad guy, everyone makes choices. I for one want players that want to be here.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:51 PM

Samuelsson was traded and didn't have a choice and Luongo has yet to be traded (though he doesn't have much choice, either, with the fans and media constantly bashing him). Salo is a good example, though, of a player leaving to get the money and ice time he deserves over the chance to win a Stanley Cup.


MS asked to go and in the end it was better for the club and him, he is back with the Wings for the money he wanted when he left originally. Lu made a choice, he waived a NTC for the possiblity for trade, may still not go anywhere. SS though it was sad to see him go it was a good move for him, he tested the market and got a huge bite, GOOD FOR HIM!
Not every players needs can be met every year sometimes change is what makes all three involved become better.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 04:38 PM

Lucky we're in Vancouver when you think about it?

Minny had to pay $98 mill to get Suter because it's, well, Minnesota!

But seriously, think about it. Once you get a $35 million dollar contract, its already enough to live your whole life. After that, play where you want. Sure some will go home, some will pick New York but Van and a good team is a pretty good option!

Cudo's to Parise for getting $98 mill and going home.

edit (read that as Parise and Suter are both expensive, but Parise is a at least closer to worth it).

Regardless of whether or not you guys agree with all the crazy salaries out there (Wideman, Suter, Price, Parise), I can't help but think many of the Canucks players may be starting to feel like they're leaving a lot of money on the table to stay with the organization in hopes of winning a cup.

Gillis mentions multiple times that players are taking a lower salary so that the club can have enough money to add talented pieces in order to win the Cup.
But there are no guarantees in sports and they don't win the Cup in the next year or two, players will start thinking it's better to go free agency and make crazy money.

It's probably safe to say Sedins can get more than $7M each on the open market.



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Posted 04 July 2012 - 07:06 PM

Granted, those prospects will be pretty good, but they won't be superstars like the Sedins or Ryan Kesler. The Canucks have to find a way to get blue chip prospects coming through the system that will be able to make a big impact on those 1st lines or 1st D pairings. Trading Luongo for one would be a good start.

...Ryan Kesler is a far cry from being a superstar.He'll never be a superstar as long as he has a hole in his butt.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 07:15 PM

Gillis also knows that if he is low balling players, he has to offer something that most other teams do not.

Nutritionist, sleep therapist, among many other things.

Remember this is a high pressure Canadian city that freaks out whenever Canucks dont go 82-0
Also we are a lonely hockey city on the coast with lots of travel time.

There are better things out there. Even if you dont want to believe it.

Imagine.

You could be lets say, a star goaltender in Vancouver, you destroy all the previous records, you win a gold medal in the same city, then the fans and media crap on you. Heck some probably want to tell him how they feel, so they do when they see him around the city. Btw it rains in this city 10 months of the year.

OR!

You could still break records, but down south, where no one knows your face. Its warmer, less travel, less tax, less crap from media and fans, all for the same cash. Plus your wife wants to move there to.

Which would you chose... (question marks and apostrophes are broken, sorry gang)

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:27 PM

29 teams every year have this potential problem every year, yet a lot of them manage to retain their players.

As long as the team remains ultra-competitive, then what's the issue?


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good thing you signed your post man, otherwise I wouldn't have known who wrote it.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:47 PM

Regardless of whether or not you guys agree with all the crazy salaries out there (Wideman, Suter, Price, Parise), I can't help but think many of the Canucks players may be starting to feel like they're leaving a lot of money on the table to stay with the organization in hopes of winning a cup.

Gillis mentions multiple times that players are taking a lower salary so that the club can have enough money to add talented pieces in order to win the Cup.
But there are no guarantees in sports and they don't win the Cup in the next year or two, players will start thinking it's better to go free agency and make crazy money.

It's probably safe to say Sedins can get more than $7M each on the open market.

It is very safe to say so. They can easily get Crosby-money. Especially if they both sign to the same team.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:21 PM

I can't see Burr leaving, the support he has received from the team and fans is astronomical, while the media tries to paint him as a villain, he plays in a city that LOVES him and he gets a lot of ice time, all from a team that saw potential in an undrafted ball hockey player, he is not going anywhere.

The Sedins have stated they would like to remain in Vancouver, I can only see them bolting for Sweden if things start going downhill after their next contract (2 years at 6.5M/yr maybe?)

I could see Kesler leaving after this contract only if the team continues to look less competitive each year, that and if coach/management/media continue to criticize his play.

Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison, Ballard, Booth, Hansen I feel will at least finish off their current contracts but I could see the latter 3 leaving, while the former 3 staying longer as Bieksa seems like a lifer, and Hamhuis and Garrison are BC boys that wanted to play here something terrible.

Raymond could stay or go next season depending on how he plays and how the media portrays him.
Malhotra will likely not be offered a contract and will walk.

Higgins and Lapierre are interesting as both came at the same time and LOVE it here, but both will be replaceable in the future by prospects, I think they may end up going to UFA, but not for a lack of wanting to stay.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:25 PM

And uproot their whole families, and go to a team that doesn't have as much success in the last 5 years as the Canucks?

Yup!

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 10:12 PM

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 10:12 PM

...Ryan Kesler is a far cry from being a superstar.He'll never be a superstar as long as he has a hole in his butt.


Kesler is without a doubt a world class player.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 10:24 PM

I don't see why everyone is bringing up Burrows' contract. At the time he signed it, he was worth at most $3m in the open market, and he offered to sign for $2m. At the time, the Sedins were worth maybe $6.5-7m, but they settled for $6.1m each. Times are changing, and the salary cap is steadily increasing. MG is a shrewd businessman, but he's not a miser.


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 10:35 PM

I thought you were talking about Salo-raised his kids here,ten year Canuck.Wanted a small raise in pay to wind up his career.
Should have retired a Canuck.

No, the main issue was he wanted a 2 year contract. Even though the Canucks, I'm sure, were happy to give him 1 year and a time until he retired. Salo took the guarantee of that 2nd year. Canucks didn't want to potentially have the cap hit for that 2nd year if he didn't play for whatever reason because Salo is over 35.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 11:47 PM

How many teams have more underpaid players than the Canucks?
I know money isn't everything but when you're looking at Burrows making $2M in today's NHL, that's really bad.


It was Burrows Idea to begin with .Or did that slipped your mind?Four years ago Burrows and Kesler told others to take a discount to keep the core in tact in a cap era . The players union told them to zip it.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 11:50 PM

No, the main issue was he wanted a 2 year contract. Even though the Canucks, I'm sure, were happy to give him 1 year and a time until he retired. Salo took the guarantee of that 2nd year. Canucks didn't want to potentially have the cap hit for that 2nd year if he didn't play for whatever reason because Salo is over 35.


Agree!! It was the length of the contract. Gillis wanted to go year to year. Had nothing to do with with money.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 09:31 AM

I'm not as convinced that players will leave but I don;t think players will continue to buy into the strategy of signing for less money just so they can play in Vancouver. (sami and Tanner Glass) I think you can only play that same card so often. We might be a bit optomistic that Vancouver is the place to play !

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 09:45 AM

I thought you were talking about Salo-raised his kids here,ten year Canuck.Wanted a small raise in pay to wind up his career.
Should have retired a Canuck.


Why would he retire? Salo hit the jackpot...an injury prone player at age 37 and he gets a 2 year deal for 7.5 million. Good deal for him. Salo was great for us, but the Canucks made the right call letting him go.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:20 AM

Like Samuelsson,Luongo and Salo?

1. Samuelsson didn't have a choice
2. Luongo is still on our team....
3. Salo didn't fit anymore, its not like he left on purpose.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:44 PM

Kesler is without a doubt a world class player.

......You must be watching a different guy than I watch..Kesler had 1 really good season (selke winner).He wasn't world class with that.Dream all you want,the day he's traded will be a GREAT day for the Canucks Of course he could be considered a world class diver if that's what you mean.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:52 PM

C'mon, you guys all say every team has a 1 out of 30 chance to win. Each team is not the same.
If that was the case, Vegas wouldn't be putting out different odds for different teams.

what were LA's odds

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:24 PM

......You must be watching a different guy than I watch..Kesler had 1 really good season (selke winner).He wasn't world class with that.Dream all you want,the day he's traded will be a GREAT day for the Canucks Of course he could be considered a world class diver if that's what you mean.


You don't have a clue. How can you write a guy off who had 40 goals last year? Many many teams would love to have a guy like Kesler on their team, the guy plays with heart and is a HUGE part of this team. The day Kesler is gone will be a very sad day for the Canucks, and a day this team might fall back into mediocrity.

Do you realize why this team has won two presidents trophies and made it to game 7 of the SCF in the last two years? It's because of guys like Kesler and the Sedins.

You don't have the slightest idea of what a good hockey player is if indeed you are being serious.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 09:41 PM

I heard romes gone if we dont win next year
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 09:52 PM

You don't have a clue. How can you write a guy off who had 40 goals last year? Many many teams would love to have a guy like Kesler on their team, the guy plays with heart and is a HUGE part of this team. The day Kesler is gone will be a very sad day for the Canucks, and a day this team might fall back into mediocrity.

Do you realize why this team has won two presidents trophies and made it to game 7 of the SCF in the last two years? It's because of guys like Kesler and the Sedins.

You don't have the slightest idea of what a good hockey player is if indeed you are being serious.

....I intend to watch him very closely next season.In my opinion he is the cancer of the 2nd line.If he is anything close to last seasons performance he needs to be put on the 3rd,and bite the bullet on his 5Mil.
It's probably more correct to say they won the Presidents trophy in spite of him ,not because of him,.the odd times he did come to play as did others.
It would be really good if one of those many teams was Anaheim,unfortunately they would most likely want someone like Burrows with Kesler to give up Getzlaf.

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