Master Mind Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Yes... You do the best WHILE your here. After that it's up to them to make the best of it. You give them as many tools and as much knowledge as you can for them to earn their own success and do the same with their offspring. Not sure what part of this is being lost on you...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevlach Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 It's a good subjective meaning. But I don't think it's enough to be the objective meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 It's a good subjective meaning. But I don't think it's enough to be the objective meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Yeah even guys like Dawkins, Krauss and Harris admit there is no objective meaning to life - only subjective meanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Why does there need to be one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-The-Great Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 why does life have to have a purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevlach Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 How can they admit something that they cannot prove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I meant from their point of view - not that they are 100% sure it is in fact that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 There doesn't NEED to be one, but life has more of a purpose if there's one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 But as I've clearly illustrated, life DOES have purpose. Just seemingly not the purpose you like/that makes you feel warm and fuzzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Life has whatever meaning YOU give it beyond the obvious reproductive one's already pointed out. If you "need" something more than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancanfan Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Wow, this thread has been quiet lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Wow, this thread has been quiet lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancanfan Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 No Sharpshooter = less drama on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevlach Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Can't we all just get along for the Holiday season? In the angry eyes of Christians in Santa Monica, Calif., Damon Vix is the atheist who stole Christmas. Vix is blamed for the city’s decision to ban all private displays in Palisades Park, ending a tradition of 14 Nativity scenes erected by church groups in the park every December for the last 60 years. The Santa Monica Christmas controversy began several years ago when Vix decided to counter the crèches by posting a sign with a quotation mistakenly attributed to Thomas Jefferson: “Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.” Other atheists joined Vix to demand space, forcing the city to set up a lottery to divvy up slots in the park. Tensions mounted in the community last December after atheist groups flooded the lottery pool and won most of the available space. Many of their displays were vandalized. In June, frustrated city officials tried to end the holiday war by banning all private displays in the park. Churches fought back with a lawsuit. But last week they lost round one when a federal judge allowed the ban to take effect. The dueling displays in Santa Monica are the latest example of a growing trend across the country: Atheists are employing a new strategy to challenge the presence of religion in the public square. Wherever religious messages are allowed in public parks or government buildings, atheist groups are increasingly demanding equal time and space. Of course, Damon Vix and many other atheists would prefer to see all religious symbols banned from public property, even when privately sponsored, as a violation of the Establishment clause of the First Amendment. In their view, a Nativity scene on public property sends a message of government endorsement of religion. But the U.S. Supreme Court sees it differently: Although government may not promote a religious message, the court has ruled that private religious expression in a public forum doesn’t violate the Establishment clause as long as other expression is allowed on equal terms. In other words, Santa Monica may constitutionally allow churches to erect Nativity displays in the park if, and only if, the city allows other groups to display their message. The only other option open to city officials is to shut down the forum for all non-governmental expression, which is precisely what Santa Monica has decided to do. Savvy atheists have figured out that the best way to beat them is to join them: Counter religious messages with anti-religious messages – and government officials have no choice but to allow all or nothing. The strategy seems to be working. A few years ago, for example, Washington state barred all nongovernment displays in the Capitol building after atheists groups put up signs mocking religion next to religious displays in December. Meanwhile in Arkansas, it took an order by a federal judge to force the state to allow an atheist group to erect a “winter solstice” display next to a Nativity scene sponsored by a private group at the Capitol. Similar conflicts over competing displays have broken out in cities and towns across America. Beyond the angry rhetoric, both sides in this battle have made valid – and valuable –constitutional points: Religious groups have established that the First Amendment separates church from state, but not religious expression from public spaces. Whenever government creates a public forum, it can’t bar purely private religious expression. And atheists have established that the First Amendment creates a level playing field. If religious groups get space in public parks or government buildings, then so must other groups get space – including in December. So now that we all understand that a right for one is a right for all, maybe it’s time for atheist groups to declare victory and stay home for the holidays. Let Christian groups set up Nativity displays in public spaces unanswered in December – and save the atheist messages for another time of year. Yes, I understand why atheists want to make sure that religion isn’t privileged by government in the public square (as it has been for much of our history). But at some point (and Santa Monica has surely reached that point) in-your-face tactics become counter-productive and needlessly divisive. After all, whether we celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, the Winter Solstice or none of the above, we can all benefit from a more civil and peaceful public square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Is Sharpshooter back or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Nope. So i guess we can get along for the Holiday season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yea I stopped coming here since I stopped getting notifications about replies here. Now where did we leave off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemperedSteel Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Merry Kushmas....Happy Hannuhookah....smoke em if ya got em I think when it comes to the subject of god...it's just a bit too far out for my brain to fathom...you know, cause I'm a mortal man...just like anyone else on this planet...Anyone from either side, claiming they know for certain 100% one way or the other...needs to stay out of my stash. You haven't got the conclusive evidence, and if I were a betting man, I'd wager that in our lifetimes at least, there will be no evidence great enough to declare a winner either way. The fighting is juvenile, and it takes WAYYY too much effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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