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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:54 PM

A banana is a banana. That's not a poor diet choice whether its organic or not.

You also hype up the possible effects like everything I eat is going to kill me, stop worrying so much and just be happy with the food you have access to



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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:57 PM

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It was meant in the sense that we are much better off in terms of food than a lot of the world
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:59 PM

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I know eh? :picard:
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:00 PM

It was meant in the sense that we are much better off in terms of food than a lot of the world


A lot of the less developed world actually has better/healthier farming practices than we do. They're just poor...an entirely separate issue.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:02 PM

one of the major reasons life expectancy has risen since WW2 is because the average person , ["western countries"] has had better access to fresh fruit and vegetable's


True. You know what else is true? After the Baby Boomers, for the first time in generations, their children are not expected to live as long...
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:03 PM

It was meant in the sense that we are much better off in terms of food than a lot of the world


This reminds me of a Chris Rock joke, about people who won't eat red meat (not in-organic vegetables, but same principle):

People are starving all over the world, what do you mean, "red meat will kill you"? Don't eat no red meat? No, don't eat no green meat. If you lucky enough to get your hands on a steak, bite the s*** out of it!


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:03 PM

It was meant in the sense that we are much better off in terms of food than a lot of the world


Fair enough, but not being happy about food safety is never a bad thing to continue to be demanding. Consumers should always be demanding the safest and healthiest food they can ingest, for all economic statuses in a civilized society.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:05 PM

Fair enough, but not being happy about food safety is never a bad thing to continue to be demanding. Consumers should always be demanding the safest and healthiest food they can ingest, for all economic statuses in a civilized society.


there's the problem. Organic food costing twice as much as "normal" food isn't going to work for the majority of people
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:06 PM

A lot of the less developed world actually has better/healthier farming practices than we do. They're just poor...an entirely separate issue.


not if they can't afford those foods. Everything is tied to money for better or worse
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:10 PM

there's the problem. Organic food costing twice as much as "normal" food isn't going to work for the majority of people


And again, that's not factoring in the fulls costs of eating those chemical-ridden (and heavily subsidized) foods. Organic food is not actually any more expensive in real terms
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:11 PM

not if they can't afford those foods. Everything is tied to money for better or worse


Yet if they CAN afford the food...they eat healthier than you do. Weird eh?
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:11 PM

And again, that's not factoring in the fulls costs of eating those chemical-ridden (and heavily subsidized) foods. Organic food is not actually any more expensive in real terms


real terms?

Shoppers don't give a **** about those things for the most part. They care about feeding themselves and their children, and 2 normal bananas versus 1 organic one for the same price is real to them
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:12 PM

Yet if they CAN afford the food...they eat healthier than you do. Weird eh?


That is a hypothetical that only happens for the elite in 3rd world countries. Weird eh?
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:15 PM

Local organic > local > organic > regular
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:16 PM

real terms?

Shoppers don't give a **** about those things for the most part. They care about feeding themselves and their children, and 2 normal bananas versus 1 organic one for the same price is real to them


That's because most people are short-sighted and blindly accept what their government and corporations tell them. I know I'd rather not have my tax dollars subsidizing modern farming and artificially lowering food prices of crap food.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:17 PM

That is a hypothetical that only happens for the elite in 3rd world countries. Weird eh?


Nope, just not the poor. Also works pretty well in vast swaths of Europe with it's much higher food/farming standards.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:23 PM

That's because most people are short-sighted and blindly accept what their government and corporations tell them. I know I'd rather not have my tax dollars subsidizing modern farming and artificially lowering food prices of crap food.


So tonight's dinner is short sighted? There are plenty of people having to push through just to feed their kids.

Not everyone has time to go to protests

Nope, just not the poor. Also works pretty well in vast swaths of Europe with it's much higher food/farming standards.


I'm not talking about Europe, though you have to realize that coutries are smaller geographically in Europe making it easier to "eat local" as opposesd to 2 of the biggest countries size wise in Canada and the US.

Africa and parts of Asia were what I was talking about where there is a defined Elite, and then everyone else
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:30 PM

So tonight's dinner is short sighted? There are plenty of people having to push through just to feed their kids.

Not everyone has time to go to protests

I'm not talking about Europe, though you have to realize that coutries are smaller geographically in Europe making it easier to "eat local" as opposesd to 2 of the biggest countries size wise in Canada and the US.

Africa and parts of Asia were what I was talking about where there is a defined Elite, and then everyone else


No, you're right. People are just trying to feed their families. That's fair. It's the politicians who are truly shortsighted. People just get caught in the middle. All the more reason to be an educated voter. Heck if we're going to insist on subsidizing farming, why not subsidize organic instead? ;)

Not sure where you're going with the off-tangent geography...?

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:34 PM

I don't buy organic too often. Can't justify the price.

However, I started a herb garden this year, with some cherry tomatoes and swiss chard in there too. It's been fantastic. If you have the room, you can't make a better investment food-wise.

For instance, a little pack of chard costs around $3 at Safeway, but the stuff grows like weeds in Calgary. I cut an entire plant off at the stem a few weeks ago, and the thing is now almost 3 feet high. We've had chard for dinner nearly 20 times this summer, and will have it probably another half-dozen times before the season is out. The original plants cost $10. I'm pretty sure they self-germinate too.

The seeds may not have been organic, but there are no pesticides or anything. Straight from the soil to the pan.


Same deal with lettuce. Grows like a weed.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:34 PM

Same deal with lettuce. Grows like a weed.


Especially when it was cool and raining in May/June!
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:36 PM

Especially when it was cool and raining in May/June!


You think I could start some new stuff right now?
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:37 PM

You think I could start some new stuff right now?


My wife's planning on starting some fall lettuce soon, don't see why not.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:39 PM

True. You know what else is true? After the Baby Boomers, for the first time in generations, their children are not expected to live as long...


yes JR i am aware of this , and as a father to be, it really concerns me .
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:40 PM

there's the problem. Organic food costing twice as much as "normal" food isn't going to work for the majority of people


Which is exactly why we shouldn't be happy with the food we have access to.....or that poor people can get access to, which was what made your statement so bizarre.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:46 PM

yes JR i am aware of this , and as a father to be, it really concerns me .


Congrats, me too! Twins on the way for me!

The only ways to change that trend are educating yourself and "voting" with your wallet if you can afford to, being an educated voter if you can't... or both.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:53 PM

Congrats, me too! Twins on the way for me!

The only ways to change that trend are educating yourself and "voting" with your wallet if you can afford to, being an educated voter if you can't... or both.


Hey congrats JR.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:57 PM

Congrats, me too! Twins on the way for me!

The only ways to change that trend are educating yourself and "voting" with your wallet if you can afford to, being an educated voter if you can't... or both.


congratulations again brother , hope everything is going well .
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:58 PM

Hey congrats JR.


Merci ;)
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:07 PM

Does anyone know what most pesticides are made out of? I guess google is my friend...but still, haha. Guess I'm lazy.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:07 PM

The problem with organic pesticides is that some have been proven to be equally dangerous to us as the synthetic ones. (good bye cancer, hello parkinsons?) And you're paying double for that?

The only way to go is pesticide-free, but good luck delivering that to the masses. Pesticides were invented for a reason. I think the organic movement has made us smarter about our food overall, so i'm for it. But you ain't scamming me into buying it, hippies.


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