goalie13 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Toronto Radio shared news from Bill Watters that he thinks starting November, the league will one-up the PA and bring in replacement players to begin the season.....ick. This gets worse and worse...both parties will lose a lot of money and fans over their own greed, maybe even collapse the NHL altogether....maybe that's what they deserve for boring defensive hockey, over-expansion, greedy players and greedy owners... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Well, it'd make sense if for next season, as there would be players with expiring contracts who could play. They'd come from the AHL, Europe, etc, but it'd still be a lower standard of play whatever they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Bill Daly said the league has lost $100 mill so far due to locked out games. So the league is making money. so why the lockout? Allegedly the players and owners are about $200 mill apart and a few cancelled pre season games has cost them $100 mill !! These twits will have lost more money by the time the season should have started than they locked out the players for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Bill Daly said the league has lost $100 mill so far due to locked out games. So the league is making money. so why the lockout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckelhead70 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Replacement players? Where are they going to find 690+ guys that aren't currently under contract that people would actually be willing to pay to watch play hockey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 The NFL had no problem finding 45 players for teams to play, then the NFL players starting crossing the line as the season went on......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckelhead70 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 The difference though was that was a strike. Since the NHL is the one that initiated the lockout, I would think they would need to replace all the players in order to make it work. Admittedly though, I wasn't following the NFL in '87. Wouldn't they have needed 45 players for each team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 @reporterchris Donald Fehr and Gary Bettman spoke by phone this afternoon. There still seems to be hope talks could continue in Toronto this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeNiro Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 The problem seems to be with the NHLPA right now. It sounds like they're not even willing to discuss the idea of a salary rollback for this coming season. That's why talks were broken off so quickly today. The players are willing to lose an entire season for nothing apparently. The NHL's stance isn't going to change next season if that's what they're hoping for. They don't seem to realize that these Billionaire owner's don't need the NHL to make money, but the players do. Hence the fact they have leverage over the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Nolan Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 The problem seems to be with the NHLPA right now. It sounds like they're not even willing to discuss the idea of a salary rollback for this coming season. That's why talks were broken off so quickly today. The players are willing to lose an entire season for nothing apparently. The NHL's stance isn't going to change next season if that's what they're hoping for. They don't seem to realize that these Billionaire owner's don't need the NHL to make money, but the players do. Hence the fact they have leverage over the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yes, everything Bill Daly says is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckelhead70 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 At least one Canadian hockey player who has been plying his trade in Europe for years is ticked off about locked out NHLers taking jobs overseas. Former Manitoba Moose forward Brandon Reid is concerned about players in his league losing jobs because millionaires from the NHL want something to do while they are in a labour battle with the owners. "It's not really fair to the guys who will be benched or lose their jobs," Reid said. "And for teams who can't afford to get the NHL guys." Reid, 31, is playing for the Hamburg Freezers of the German Elite League this year and has seven seasons under his belt in Europe. He has played 10 career NHL games with the Vancouver Canucks and recorded six points, and spent parts of four seasons in the AHL with the Moose. The Montreal native is expressing a sentiment that is likely felt around European leagues at the moment. Locked out NHL players have agreed to temporary deals in Russia, Switzerland, Germany, Sweden and Finland. If the NHL lockout ends, they'll be gone in a heartbeat, but right now, somebody who had a job is about to lose it because these players are coming in. "It will be exciting for the league and for the fans, but I don't get why they'll come play here for less," Reid said. A good point. These players are not happy with the millions they would get out of 50% of all the revenue coming into the NHL, but they are willing to take someone else's job and play for a couple hundred grand in Europe? The NHL lockout began last Saturday about a week before training camps were slated to open. Players immediately began signing with European teams, including Alex Ovechkin (Dynamo Moscow, KHL), Evgeni Malkin (Metallurg Magnitogorsk, KHL ), Anze Kopitar (Mora IK, Sweden), Ilya Kovalchuk (St. Petersburg, KHL), Jaromir Jagr (HC Kladno, Czech Republic), Jason Spezza (Rapperswil-Jona Lakers, Switzerland), Joe Thornton and Rick Nash (HC Davos, Switzerland), and goalie Nicklas Backstrom (Dynamo Minsk, KHL). Winnipeg Jets players Alexei Ponikarovksy and Ondrej Pavelec also inked overseas deals (though Pavelec's fell through). Penguins superstar Sidney Crosby is reportedly considering joining Malkin in the KHL. All this comes before NHL players would normally start getting paid, at the start of the regular season. Imagine how many players are going to want to head across the pond when they start missing paycheques? Peter Lee, general manager of the Berlin Polar Bears of the German Elite League, told Sun Media he can't keep up with all the calls and e-mails from agents trying to find work for their clients. "Guys are coming over here because they want to play," Lee said. "I don't think guys are coming over here to make money and pay the bills because I don't think that's realistic." That's where the problem lies for many players who would be in Europe regardless of a lockout. They do need the money to pay the bills. Most imports in Europe are well-paid to be sure, but it's chump change compared with what NHL players make. Still, Reid can see some positives in the arrival of NHL superstars on the European scene. "I'm excited to play against them and maybe with some." he said. "You never know, maybe this will show everyone we're not such different level players." As long as they still get a chance to play, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The players do not need the nhl to make money. They can play in KHL, the Swedish leagues or various other hockey leagues. They can also get another job outside of hockey if they choose. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a lot of out of work hockey players doing more adds and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yes, everything Bill Daly says is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The players haven't been all "100% no rollbacks ever" either. They've stated they want to have the dollar amounts they'd been promised this year and slowly work that down through escrow and revenue sharing. They've stated they're willing to put the money they lose towards the franchises that struggle currently, which is why the league isn't as profitable as it should be (which is the owners argument to why more cuts have to come). Two sides to every story, and both have their own idea as to which is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The players haven't been all "100% no rollbacks ever" either. They've stated they want to have the dollar amounts they'd been promised this year and slowly work that down through escrow and revenue sharing. They've stated they're willing to put the money they lose towards the franchises that struggle currently, which is why the league isn't as profitable as it should be (which is the owners argument to why more cuts have to come). Two sides to every story, and both have their own idea as to which is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I think some of them(spoiled millionaires) should go trip some pipe in ft st John this winter, get to do a mans job for 16 hours a day in minus 30. See how good they have it. Secondly fans should wake up and stop supporting the owners getting richer due to outrageous ticket prices. Support your team in the local pub, or at home or at a friends house. But send the owners a message once all this bs clears. Hopefully the KHL starts airing some games up here(not just on espn) and gives the NHL in general a serious wake-up call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Essentially what they have said is they will take less of future profit increases (that's what they call a rollback) but that in fact actually involves salary increases just less of the presumed growing profits, they have also said that they would do this if the money was used for a system to stabilize the league. They want what they are supposed to be paid and then some, but what they are giving up is a percent of future revenue increases. Sounds good in some ways but it's all based on 'ifs' and 'future projections'. It is not a concrete rollback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The players do not need the nhl to make money. They can play in KHL, the Swedish leagues or various other hockey leagues. They can also get another job outside of hockey if they choose. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a lot of out of work hockey players doing more adds and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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