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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:03 PM

And what makes you think armed citizens are the sole reason why some of their rights haven't been thrown out by the government? Fact of the matter is that there has been more strict control of the internet by the US government and their "armed" citizens haven't done crap. The government has taken away some right and the Americans haven't done anything with their guns. What are they going to do? March to White house with their guns and say don't take away our rights? Hilarious!


What's hilarious is you have no idea how bat*** insane these gun nuts down here are...the ones who aren't talking about secession are talking about an armed revolution. It would probably not be wise to piss any of these people, including the NRA, off. I want you to point to the part of that post where I made the statement "armed citizens are the sole reason" for anything? Putting words in my mouth now, are you?
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:07 PM

This is the point I have been trying to make in the other thread...once the nation is disarmed, what will stop the government from doing away with the other rights? Nothing.


This is a truly bizarre line of thinking.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

What's hilarious is you have no idea how bat*** insane these gun nuts down here are...the ones who aren't talking about secession are talking about an armed revolution. It would probably not be wise to piss any of these people, including the NRA, off. I want you to point to the part of that post where I made the statement "armed citizens are the sole reason" for anything? Putting words in my mouth now, are you?


I have to say, you have me really confused......on one hand you speak of "these people", have a picture of Garcia on your profile, but on the other hand, you seem to be a bit of a zealot when it comes to talking about the second amendment...........I'm not sure what side fo the fence you're sitting on.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:10 PM

how can you say that with a straight face? Are you guys down there so paranoid and insecure that you truly believe that? This isn't medieval Europe


Who the hell is "'you guys"? I've already decided I'm getting the hell out of here in the next few years anyway, so I'm certainly not among the paranoid and insecure...But I'll tell you this, my friend...after I was diagnosed with PTSD, I moved in with a friend of mine who owned a shotgun that he kept for protection. Now, I'm a pacifist, and I would never own any sort of weapon, but I have my bud and his quick thinking to thank for being alive right now. We got broken into one evening around 10pm, and I woke with a start because I heard footsteps on the back porch. Turned out there was a guy out there armed with a handgun...my bud went to the closet, grabbed his shotgun, and stood by the door...when that SOB tried to bust the window, my bud cocked the hammer on that gun...and the next thing we heard was that m****f**** slamming the door of a car and driving off. I speak from experience on this...and I truly feel if my friend didn't own that shotgun we'd both been killed that night. Excuse me, I need a toke.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:11 PM

I have to say, you have me really confused......on one hand you speak of "these people", have a picture of Garcia on your profile, but on the other hand, you seem to be a bit of a zealot when it comes to talking about the second amendment...........I'm not sure what side fo the fence you're sitting on.


No...I'm not a zealot when it comes to that particular amendment, I'm just not a fan of changing the Constitution especially when it means taking a right AWAY. For the record, my side of the fence is "neutral". I am what might be called a "Constitutionist". To me, the Constitution reflects the guaranteed rights and freedoms we are supposed to have as citizens of the United States. Even though I myself am non-religious (apatheist would be more the term) the freedom of religion is also guaranteed by the Constitution...and so is the freedom of speech, etc...It would be a mistake, in my opinion, for the government to start fiddling with the Constitution, especially when their intent is to remove one of the rights that were in the original document.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:12 PM

Common sense will get you nowhere with the Z-man .. he lives in an alternate reality that includes "free", unearned health care ..


Too bad common sense is just not common. Somehow having a stricter gun laws and banning machine guns won't make a difference in frequency of mass shooting. It just defies logic.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

What's with the straight face comment, Stawns? MM's point is a valid one. When the long gun registry in Canada was first being discussed and was then enacted, these exact same sentiments were being echoed by the legitimate Canadian gun owners. The hunters, the competitive shooters, trap and skeet shooters.....I was on the front lines of the whole long gun registry issues and those who were concerned about what other rights were going to be taken away if honest and law abiding Canadians were going to be subject to such restrictions as the long gun registry rules laid out.

My dad was a hunter, a competitive shooter and a trap and skeet shooter. I grew up with guns and I certainly haven't managed to shoot anyone. His prized Perazzi is locked in a gun safe now instead of hanging in a place of honour on my den wall...... his collection of shotguns and rifles are locked up in the gun safe with trigger locks on.

As a kid, those shotguns and rifles were in a gun cabinet in our dining room, an unlocked gun cabinet...with no trigger locks in place....shotgun shells right there in boxes.......ammunition for the rifles right there in boxes.....my sibs and I were taught to use them responsibly, properly and not without supervision until we were adults. Funny thing, not one of us EVER opened that cabinet or took a rifle/shotgun out or fooled around with them. And they were in our house from the time we were babies. "Guns" can be present in someone's home and hands without becoming weapons.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

You mean like Detroit and the like? Aren't those leftist cities?

And it goes without saying that someone from Iran of all places has a lot of nerve calling the U.S. backwards.


At least Iran is safer than US. I don't get shot up by a bunch of goons walking at 2 AM. The Iranian government is bad but there is basically extremely low gun violence in Iran if any. Their school is also much safer too.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:20 PM

What's with the straight face comment, Stawns? MM's point is a valid one. When the long gun registry in Canada was first being discussed and was then enacted, these exact same sentiments were being echoed by the legitimate Canadian gun owners. The hunters, the competitive shooters, trap and skeet shooters.....I was on the front lines of the whole long gun registry issues and those who were concerned about what other rights were going to be taken away if honest and law abiding Canadians were going to be subject to such restrictions as the long gun registry rules laid out. My dad was a hunter, a competitive shooter and a trap and skeet shooter. I grew up with guns and I certainly haven't managed to shoot anyone. His prized Perazzi is locked in a gun safe now instead of hanging in a place of honour on my den wall...... his collection of shotguns and rifles are locked up in the gun safe with trigger locks on.

As a kid, those shotguns and rifles were in a gun cabinet in the dining room, an unlocked gun cabinet...with no trigger locks....shotgun shells right there in boxes.....my sibs and I were taught to use them responsibly, properly and not without supervision until we were adults. Funny thing, not one of us EVER opened that cabinet or took a rifle/shotgun out or fooled around with them. And they were in our house from the time we were babies. "Guns" can be present in someone's home and hands without becoming weapons.


I have no issue with hunting rifles. I grew up in a family of hunters.......I shot my first gun at 8, and got a .22 for my tenth b-day. In no way do I think they should abolish the second amendment, they need to amend the second amendment.......if a gun's sole purpose is to kill other humans, non-military or law enforcement professionals should not have one.......namely handguns and assault rifles

That said, I have no issue with the long rifle registry, or guns having to be locked up, with trigger locks. I've personally known two kids who have been killed, accidentally, by playing with their parent's guns

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

I have no issue with hunting rifles. I grew up in a family of hunters.......I shot my first gun at 8, and got a .22 for my tenth b-day. In no way do I think they should abolish the second amendment, they need to amend the second amendment.......if a gun's sole purpose is to kill other humans, non-military or law enforcement professionals should not have one.......namely handguns and assault rifles


Absolutely agree with the assault rifles sentiments. There's no place for those outside of the military or police forces. Why anyone in 'regular' society needs an automatic assault rifle is beyond me........... unless it's for reasons that are illegal or to just kill other people for the sake of killing them.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

In this world, being on a level playing field beats the heck out of having the deck stacked against you, whether its personal defense or some other thing.

If there's one thing true of human society, its that its better to deal from a position of strength, or at least general equality, rather than of weakness.


What has this even playing field done to curb the mass shootings in CN? I mean everyone currently has the right to own guns in US, so has it done anything? Did anyone step up to stop Mr. Lanza or the guy that shot up the theater in CO? Yeah, so much for that even playing field. So much for people protecting themselves and others. It has worked really great thus far, so we shouldn't change anything. Just keep it the same, at least its one mass shooting a day.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:30 PM

Absolutely agree with the assault rifles sentiments. There's no place for those outside of the military or police forces. Why anyone in 'regular' society needs an automatic assault rifle is beyond me........... unless it's for reasons that are illegal or to just kill other people for the sake of killing them.


That is exactly what I don't get. The ban on automatic assault rifles should be a no brainer. Yet we have gun totting nut jobs who protest against this very idea. I don't get it.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:32 PM

That is exactly what I don't get. The ban on automatic assault rifles should be a no brainer. Yet we have gun totting nut jobs who protest against this very idea. I don't get it.


Ok assault rifles are another matter entirely. I agree with whomever thinks anyone who is non-military should be prohibited from purchasing or owning assault rifles.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

Ok assault rifles are another matter entirely. I agree with whomever thinks anyone who is non-military should be prohibited from purchasing or owning assault rifles.


In my opinion, any weapon that is able to hold more than 6 rounds without reloading should be banned......for ordinary citizens

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:40 PM

At least Iran is safer than US. I don't get shot up by a bunch of goons walking at 2 AM. The Iranian government is bad but there is basically extremely low gun violence in Iran if any. Their school is also much safer too.



LMAO....Did I really just hear you say Iran is safer than the US? How safe is it if you aren't a Muslim, man? Tell me that.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:40 PM

What has this even playing field done to curb the mass shootings in CN? I mean everyone currently has the right to own guns in US, so has it done anything? Did anyone step up to stop Mr. Lanza or the guy that shot up the theater in CO? Yeah, so much for that even playing field. So much for people protecting themselves and others. It has worked really great thus far, so we shouldn't change anything. Just keep it the same, at least its one mass shooting a day.


Well you'll notice that none of these shootings occur in places where the victims are likely to be armed.

Its almost as if the shooters were deliberately choosing places where regular folks can't carry guns due to laws or regulations!
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:42 PM

What has this even playing field done to curb the mass shootings in CN? I mean everyone currently has the right to own guns in US, so has it done anything? Did anyone step up to stop Mr. Lanza or the guy that shot up the theater in CO? Yeah, so much for that even playing field. So much for people protecting themselves and others. It has worked really great thus far, so we shouldn't change anything. Just keep it the same, at least its one mass shooting a day.


The postal code abbreviation for Connecticut is CT, not CN. I doubt you have a frame of reference to even be discussing this.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:43 PM

Well you'll notice that none of these shootings occur in places where the victims are likely to be armed.

Its almost as if the shooters were deliberately choosing places where regular folks can't carry guns due to laws or regulations!


and you think they choose these targets because there's no chance that anyone will shoot them? They all end up shotting themselves anyway, so I highly doubt they're too afraid of that. They choose these places for highly personal reasons.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:43 PM

In my opinion, any weapon that is able to hold more than 6 rounds without reloading should be banned......for ordinary citizens


And people should only be limited to one hand gun max and only to limited number of bullets.They should not be allowed to buy more than two dozen bullets and everything should be registered on a computer database just like prescription drugs. That means if you buy two dozen bullets and come back the next day for more, you shouldn't be allowed to purchase it. Also, only certain places should be able to sell it like registered gun shops and not wallmart, zellers or Mcdonalds.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:45 PM

And people should only be limited to one hand gun max and only to limited number of bullets.They should not be allowed to buy more than two dozen bullets and everything should be registered on a computer database just like prescription drugs. That means if you buy two dozen bullets and come back the next day for more, you shouldn't be allowed to purchase it. Also, only certain places should be able to sell it like registered gun shops and not wallmart, zellers or Mcdonalds.


This is ridiculous.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:46 PM

You mean like Detroit and the like? Aren't those leftist cities?

And it goes without saying that someone from Iran of all places has a lot of nerve calling the U.S. backwards.


Persian aka Iranian inventions:

6000 BC) - The modern brick. Some of the oldest bricks found to date are Persian, from ca. 6000 BC.
(~5000 BC) - Invention of Wine. Discovery made by University of Pennsylvania excavations at Hajji Firuz Tepe in northwestern Iran.
(5000 BC) - Invention of Tar (lute), that led to the development of the guitar.
(3000 BC) - The ziggurat. The Sialk ziggurat, according to the Cultural Heritage Organization of Iran, predates that of Ur or any other of Mesopotamia's 34 ziggurats.
(2000 BC) - Peaches are a fruit of Iranian origin, as indicated by their Latin scientific name, Prunus persica, from which (by way of the French) we have the English word "peach."
Tulips were first cultivated in ancient Persia.
(1700 BC) - The windmill.
(1400 BC) - The game of Backgammon appears in the east of Iran.
(1400 BC to 600 BC) - Zoroastrianism: where the first prophet of a monotheistic faith arose according to some scholars, claiming Zoroastrianism as being "the oldest of the revealed credal religions, which has probably had more influence on mankind directly or indirectly, more than any other faith".
(576 BC to 529 BC) - Under the rule of Cyrus II the Great, the Cyrus Cylinder was issued. This is considered to be the first universal declaration of human rights, predating the Magna Carta by one millennium It was discovered in 1879 in Babylon and today is kept in the British Museum.
(576 BC to 529 BC) - Under the rule of Cyrus II the Great, Cyrus frees the Jews from Babylonian captivity. See Cyrus in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
(521 BC) - The game Polo.
(500 BC) World's oldest Staple (fastener).
(500 BC) The first Taxation system (under the Achaemenid Empire).
(500 BC) The first courier post. Also called the "Royal Road".
(500 BC) - Source for introduction of the domesticated chicken into Europe.
(500 BC) - First cultivation of spinach
An ancient ice house, called a yakhchal, built in ancient times for storing ice during summers.
Spoon crafted in 550BC.
(400 BC) - Yakhchals , ancient refrigerators. (See picture above)
(400 BC) - Ice Cream.[22]
(250 BC) - According to archaeological digs, the Parthians created the world's first batteries. Their original use is still uncertain, though it is suspected that they were used for electroplating.
(250 BC) Original excavation of a Suez Canal.
(271 AD) - The teaching hospital
(700 AD) - The Cookie.
(762 AD) - Designing Baghdad: The original city was based on Persian precedents such as Firouzabad in Persia. The two designers who were hired by the caliph al-Mansur to plan the city were Nowbakht, a former Persian Zoroastrian, and Mashallah, a former Jew from Khorasan.
(864 AD-930 AD) - First systematic use of alcohol in Medicine: Rhazes.
(1000 AD) - Introduction of paper to the west.
(935 - 1020) - Ferdowsi writes the Shahnama (Book of Kings) that resulted in the revival of Iranian culture and the expansion of the Iranian cultural sphere.
(980 - 1037) - Avicenna, a physician, writes The Canon of Medicine one of the foundational manuals in the history of modern medicine.
(1207 AD - 1273 AD) - Rumi writes poetry and in 1997, the translations were best-sellers in the United States.
Algebra and Trigonometry: Numerous Iranians were directly responsible for the establishment of Algebra, the advancement of Medicine and Chemistry, and the discovery of Trigonometry.
Qanat , subterranean aqueducts.
Wind Catchers , ancient air residential conditioning.
"Virtually all European scholars claim Arabic music has Persian origins

KING CYRUS Born 590 BC or 576 BC
Died August 530 BC
Buried Pasargadae
Predecessor Cambyses I
Successor Cambyses II


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:47 PM

LMAO....Did I really just hear you say Iran is safer than the US? How safe is it if you aren't a Muslim, man? Tell me that.


Am not a muslim and I was there recently for 2 months during Canucks playoff run. All the people are friendly there and no, there was no car bombing or shootings. You just don't know because you have never been there and you only hear about the bad things that happen there through your Fox news. In fact there were a lot of German families travelling to Iran when I was taking a flight from Frankfurt to Tehran. Believe it or not, there are actually Christians there that live happily beside their Muslim neighbors. I know, it is pretty hard to believe when you get brainwashed by American media.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:49 PM

This is ridiculous.


how is that ridiculous? You don't think there should be a record of who has firearms and who is buying ammunition? I think that's a good idea. As Chris Rock says, "we don't need gun control, we need bullet control"
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:49 PM

This is ridiculous.


Ridiculous as in logical??

Tell me why an average joe needs tons of bullets and guns? Are they going to war or something?
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

and you think they choose these targets because there's no chance that anyone will shoot them? They all end up shotting themselves anyway, so I highly doubt they're too afraid of that. They choose these places for highly personal reasons.


Their main objective seems to be a large body count and notoriety and they don't seem to get those if they don't have an insurmountable advantage.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

Am not a muslim and I was there recently for 2 months during Canucks playoff run. All the people are friendly there and no, there was no car bombing or shootings. You just don't know because you have never been there and you only hear about the bad things that happen there through your Fox news. In fact there were a lot of German families travelling to Iran when I was taking a flight from Frankfurt to Tehran. Believe it or not, there are actually Christians there that live happily beside their Muslim neighbors. I know, it is pretty hard to believe when you get brainwashed by American media.


Yeah guess what bud...I don't watch Fox News, and I'm far from brainwashed,....but Iran has a state religion, and is run by Islamic law, so don't urinate down my leg and tell me it's raining by giving me stuff like "All the people are friendly there"...lol
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:52 PM

how is that ridiculous? You don't think there should be a record of who has firearms and who is buying ammunition? I think that's a good idea. As Chris Rock says, "we don't need gun control, we need bullet control"


I think if they also made bullets more expensive to buy and limit their access, it would certainly help in curbing these mass shootings. Sure you people can have your guns and the second amendment, but now you have to pay up. Also the extra fees collected on the bullets can be put towards decreasing the American debt. Am a genius :towel:
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:53 PM

how is that ridiculous? You don't think there should be a record of who has firearms and who is buying ammunition? I think that's a good idea. As Chris Rock says, "we don't need gun control, we need bullet control"


I don't think there should be a limit on ammunition man...jesus christ I've already made a point of saying that some people just like to go down to a firing range and relieve stress...Keeping a record is a great idea...just don't come up with some concrete limit because that's a bit overboard.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:55 PM

I think if they also made bullets more expensive to buy and limit their access, it would certainly help in curbing these mass shootings. Sure you people can have your guns and the second amendment, but now you have to pay up. Also the extra fees collected on the bullets can be put towards decreasing the American debt. Am a genius :towel:


You just want to piss these people off don't you? You just try to implement this kind of thing down here...we'll see how long it lasts.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:55 PM

I think if they also made bullets more expensive to buy and limit their access, it would certainly help in curbing these mass shootings. Sure you people can have your guns and the second amendment, but now you have to pay up. Also the extra fees collected on the bullets can be put towards decreasing the American debt. Am a genius :towel:


Like it would be difficult to smuggle in or even produce ammunition. Remember we'te talking simple 100 year old technology here.
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