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#391 DeNiro

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

Why are the players waiting????

The players aren't expected to start their own ratification vote until Friday.


The player vote can be done electronically, and can be done pretty quickly.

Training camp starts Sunday whether they voted today or Friday.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:56 PM

Maybe someone can answer a question for me?

Why was the salary cap officially set at $60 mil for this season but that they are allowing them to spend up to $70.2 mil?

What is the reason for doing this?


My guess would be to allow teams to start making moves to get under the new cap. For example, they might pick up a player to replace a player they know they have to trade before they've traded him (like a new backup goalie before we traded Luo.) It just keeps teams from having to trade a player before they have a replacement for him and gives them a little time to get a decent deal for the player they have to trade instead of creating a complete buyers market where teams get screwed on trades just to get under the cap.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:03 PM

My guess would be to allow teams to start making moves to get under the new cap. For example, they might pick up a player to replace a player they know they have to trade before they've traded him (like a new backup goalie before we traded Luo.) It just keeps teams from having to trade a player before they have a replacement for him and gives them a little time to get a decent deal for the player they have to trade instead of creating a complete buyers market where teams get screwed on trades just to get under the cap.


My question is not why teams are allowed to spend up to 70 but why they would say the cap is 60 mil for this season.

Even artificially saying it would be 64.3 like next years seems duplicitous if there is not a mechanism in the CBA that affects how teams operate for this season.

What effect on operations does the 60 mil figure cause? I can't see one.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:28 PM

Maybe someone can answer a question for me?

Why was the salary cap officially set at $60 mil for this season but that they are allowing them to spend up to $70.2 mil?

What is the reason for doing this?

Could very well be wrong on the technical side of this, but they want to set the new CBA up using the midpoint system, where the midpoint is based off of HRR and then the floor and ceiling calculated by a percentage variance up and down. They needed to set the midpoint artificially low until they have an HRR to base it off of, and so the floor is easier for the teams that don't spend as much. They've allowed teams to exceed the cap up to $70M this year obviously, and the $64M next year is also artificially set as a transition period.

I guess your question is why didn't they make the ceiling just $70M much like they did for next year at $64M, since that isn't an calculated amount above the midpoint. I should have just typed this: I don't know apart from $60M would be the calculated ceiling from a midpoint that would allow for a $44M floor. So it's really about setting the floor I guess.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

My question is not why teams are allowed to spend up to 70 but why they would say the cap is 60 mil for this season.

Even artificially saying it would be 64.3 like next years seems duplicitous if there is not a mechanism in the CBA that affects how teams operate for this season.

What effect on operations does the 60 mil figure cause? I can't see one.


The only reason it is set at 60 mil is because they wanted the cap floor at 44mil.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

Could very well be wrong on the technical side of this, but they want to set the new CBA up using the midpoint system, where the midpoint is based off of HRR and then the floor and ceiling calculated by a percentage variance up and down. They needed to set the midpoint artificially low until they have an HRR to base it off of, and so the floor is easier for the teams that don't spend as much. They've allowed teams to exceed the cap up to $70M this year obviously, and the $64M next year is also artificially set as a transition period.

I guess your question is why didn't they make the ceiling just $70M much like they did for next year at $64M, since that isn't an calculated amount above the midpoint. I should have just typed this: I don't know apart from $60M would be the calculated ceiling from a midpoint that would allow for a $44M floor. So it's really about setting the floor I guess.

The only reason it is set at 60 mil is because they wanted the cap floor at 44mil.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:48 AM

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#NHLPA results of ratification vote will be in a press release at 8AM 2morrow(Sat) followed by #NHL releasing schedule. Camps open Sunday

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:52 AM

really? they are going to bother to wait until tomorrow? it's clear they ratified it if the NHL is releasing a schedule and camps are opening. why bother waiting?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:11 AM

really? they are going to bother to wait until tomorrow? it's clear they ratified it if the NHL is releasing a schedule and camps are opening. why bother waiting?


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NHL clubs have received their team schedules, however, are now getting back to the league with any changes they absolutely need

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

Interesting proposal to change the CBA slightly after NYR, NHL and NHLPA discussing Redden's situation, they may allow a buyout to be used early rather than sit a player. The cap hit they would have occurred (either in the NHL or AHL/Europe) until the summer buyout period will still apply.

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NYR, NHL, NHLPA believed discussing scenario under which NYR could exercise compliant buyout on Redden now while retaining AHL cap hit.
NYR would retain cap hit of 5.6m even if Redden signs with NHL team. It's a possibility.
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Appears as if agreement reached as suggested here earlier.Compliance buyout can be used now on Redden with NYR taking 5.6M cap hit (1/2)...
2/2..NYR would take cap hit even if Redden signs with another team as UFA. This option will be available to all clubs (Mont/Gomez).


This would obviously update Gomez' status, where he could be bought out ahead of time and allowed to sign elsewhere. Remains to be seen if the already agreed upon amnesty buyout periods for this summer and next stay or if they've moved to just now and this summer. I'd expect the former.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:02 PM

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Each team is still permitted only 2 compliance buyouts, either before Saturday or in summers of 2013 or 2014.
So ultimately, there's no actual benefit to team to do "accelerated compliance buyout" other than as favor to the player to seek work now.

EDIT: and another update.
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Note on new compliance buyout agreement. Player consent needed to buy player out and player cap hit must be 3M+ Next summer reg rules apply

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