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#1 KmaksNucks

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:15 AM

Can someone please explain how the new CBA effects Luongos contact. Sorry if this is already posted.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:20 AM

Hopefully this isn't Canucks talk for very long!
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:33 AM

Hopefully this isn't Canucks talk for very long!


With this cap ya, I dont see it. But Im more pissed at the fact that Edler will be impossible to fit in next year when the cap actually goes down to 64.3
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:43 AM

With this cap ya, I dont see it. But Im more pissed at the fact that Edler will be impossible to fit in next year when the cap actually goes down to 64.3

Impossible how? We have up to two buyouts that won't count against the cap.

We have $55.4M committed to 13 players next season (including Ballard and Luongo). Buyout Ballard and that's $51.2M. I'm pretty sure they can commit to Edler with $13M in cap space to sign 11 guys with only bottom 6, bottom pair, and depth players to sign/re-sign.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:57 AM

Impossible how? We have up to two buyouts that won't count against the cap.

We have $55.4M committed to 13 players next season (including Ballard and Luongo). Buyout Ballard and that's $51.2M. I'm pretty sure they can commit to Edler with $13M in cap space to sign 11 guys with only bottom 6, bottom pair, and depth players to sign/re-sign.

Sorry didnt know about the 2 buyouts not counting against the cap. I honestly think that its just Ballard we'll have to buyout, coz I really think theres a team that see's Luongos value and his cap hit value. With that thinkin I would easily buyout Ballard and sign Edler to a 6 Mill. cap hit and the left over 7 Mill to sign 10 bottom players, according to your number.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:03 AM

Impossible how? We have up to two buyouts that won't count against the cap.

We have $55.4M committed to 13 players next season (including Ballard and Luongo). Buyout Ballard and that's $51.2M. I'm pretty sure they can commit to Edler with $13M in cap space to sign 11 guys with only bottom 6, bottom pair, and depth players to sign/re-sign.

Exactly. But before buying out Ballard I'd like to see if MG can get a decent pick for him instead of just dumping him for nothing. Here's how I see it panning out:

Edler: 5 years, $6 million per
Lapierre: 3 years, $2 million per
Higgins: 2 years, $2.35 million per
Malhotra: 1 year, $1 million
Raymond: Let walk
Tanev: 3 years, $1.5 million per

Luongo and Ballard out = $9,533,333 + old contracts expiring - cap reduction ($70.2 - $64.3 = $5.9) = $19,115,000.

Our remaining cap space after re-signings is $6,625,000, so about enough to get a decent player or two or re-sign players to a little more.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:08 AM

I don't know if I want to see Edler get 6 million per season for 5 years.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:10 AM

A decent pick is probably a stretch for Ballard at this point. At best, with a solid season (~20 points in 48-52 games), we may be able to land a late first or a decent prospect, but I doubt that happens with AV behind the bench.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:11 AM

I don't know if I want to see Edler get 6 million per season for 5 years.

Who do you replace him with?

I don't think we can afford to let Edler go. I don't think he'll get $6M, though. Probably closer to $5M - $5.5M I'm guessing.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:14 AM

I don't know if I want to see Edler get 6 million per season for 5 years.

If Burrows get 4 and a half (the last contract we signed), I would give Edler 6 Mill in a heart beat. Ever cup winning team has an elite D-Man (Lidstom, Keith, Neidameyer ect.) and Edler is the closest thing to that, that we have.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:20 AM

Impossible how? We have up to two buyouts that won't count against the cap.

We have $55.4M committed to 13 players next season (including Ballard and Luongo). Buyout Ballard and that's $51.2M. I'm pretty sure they can commit to Edler with $13M in cap space to sign 11 guys with only bottom 6, bottom pair, and depth players to sign/re-sign.


so with our inability to score in the playoffs last year and the scf the previous year.. we are going to commit the cap space to Edler and bottom players/depth players? shouldn't our bigger concern be finding secondary scoring that doesn't really exist on this team? who knows if kesler will ever be close to a 100% again..
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:26 AM

so with our inability to score in the playoffs last year and the scf the previous year.. we are going to commit the cap space to Edler and bottom players/depth players? shouldn't our bigger concern be finding secondary scoring that doesn't really exist on this team? who knows if kesler will ever be close to a 100% again..

So we should let Edler walk and roll with three Top 4 dmen? Sign an expensive free agent? Desperately hope a Hamhuis or Garrison takes a hometown discount? Trade assets we can't really afford to give up to get a replacement?

It seems completely contradictory to say that we should let the 6th highest scoring defenseman in the league walk to gain "secondary scoring" ...
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:14 AM

Ever cup winning team has an elite D-Man (Lidstom, Keith, Neidameyer ect.) and Edler is the closest thing to that, that we have.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:30 AM

There's already a thread. Please stick to existing threads.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:33 AM

I don't know if I want to see Edler get 6 million per season for 5 years.


He's a top 2 d man. He deserves top 2 d-man money
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:40 AM

edler gets 6

trade lu for weiss (rumored that it would be done if van didnt want a prospect)

buy out ballard, manny gone raymond gone now cap compliant for this year and next

Sedin Sedin Burr
jensens Kesler Booth
Hansen Weiss Higgins
Volpatti Lappy kassian

Hammy Bieksa
Eddie Garrison
Tanev Corrado

Schneids

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:59 AM

highly doubt florida would trade lou for weiss-i would love that move and if it is on the table, Gillis needs to do it. weiss is a perfect 2C for us while kesler is injured and league wide, is a top 2C on any team
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:02 AM

So....any actual info on how this affects Luongo's contract?
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

So....any actual info on how this affects Luongo's contract?

Not much really changed for existing contracts. The cap may drop substantially in 2014-2015, though, depending on how badly affected HRR is in 2013-2014.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:13 AM

64.3 million is definitely doable, better than 60m than it was in the late CBA negotiations.
I believe Ian Esplen had an interesting idea of using the buyout on players and then resigning them to a lower salary / cap hit.
They make more than they would throughout the normal contract and the team is penalty free and gets them at their more suitable cap hit.
To me this is perfect for Ballard, we resign him to 1.5m to 2m for a short term years and then we have a great 3rd pairing defense that is getting paid what he should.
Next year also Malhotra / Raymonds 2m+ contracts are over too, which frees up cap.

Edited by goblix, 06 January 2013 - 10:14 AM.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

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Hammer, isn't really "elite" per say. He's awesome and dependable, but used for more of a shutdown role only.
The likes of Neidermeyer, Lidstrom, Keith, Weber, Suter, etc etc are elite because they are dependable and have that flair to put up points
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

Plus 1!

Hopefully this isn't Canucks talk for very long!


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:32 AM

Lets see how Suter goes without Weber???

I'm sure a few teams would still prefer Hamhuis because he is soooooooo steady defensively; virtually all teams when you include contract considerations!

Hammer, isn't really "elite" per say. He's awesome and dependable, but used for more of a shutdown role only.
The likes of Neidermeyer, Lidstrom, Keith, Weber, Suter, etc etc are elite because they are dependable and have that flair to put up points


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:40 AM

Lets see how Suter goes without Weber???

I'm sure a few teams would still prefer Hamhuis because he is soooooooo steady defensively; virtually all teams when you include contract considerations!


Many ppl who watch NSH regularly think Suter is better than Weber. Suter was the best Dman in the Van Olympics.

I also look forward to seeing how they do without having each other as playing partner.

Hamhuis is not elite, Weber and Suter are elite. I was a huge Weber fan before he went for the money and signed the Philly offer sheet. My biggest hockey wish was for MG to somehow get Weber on the team. My profile pic was Weber's jersey. But i think Suter is a great Dman and he helped Weber a great deal.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:55 AM

Many ppl who watch NSH regularly think Suter is better than Weber. Suter was the best Dman in the Van Olympics.

I also look forward to seeing how they do without having each other as playing partner.

Hamhuis is not elite, Weber and Suter are elite. I was a huge Weber fan before he went for the money and signed the Philly offer sheet. My biggest hockey wish was for MG to somehow get Weber on the team. My profile pic was Weber's jersey. But i think Suter is a great Dman and he helped Weber a great deal.

My biggest wish is for MG to still get Weber on this team! Still a fan even after he went for the money (can you blame him, that ridiculous upfront money)
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

My biggest wish is for MG to still get Weber on this team! Still a fan even after he went for the money (can you blame him, that ridiculous upfront money)


Yah, I don't see Weber coming here anytime soon. NSH is not going to trade him after paying Weber $26 million over the first 12 months of the contract. Weber can't be traded until after the 2013 bonus of $13 mill is paid out because it was a RFA offersheet match.
Weber will be a Predator for a long time to come Unless someone like the Oilers offered a package including........

Edit: Remember Weber does NOT have NTC so he could be traded to any team in the league. In theory, not saying it will happen.

Edited by WHL rocks, 06 January 2013 - 11:16 AM.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:37 AM

Can someone please explain how the new CBA effects Luongos contact.

Answer:

ALL contracts prior to new CBA are grandfathered, variance applies to 2013/14 forward

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

Sign Dan Ellis, wrap Lou in bubble wrap, box that sh*t, and rush deliver that son b*tch to Ontario.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

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I would not trade Luongo if I was Vancouver. High demands on goalies in shortened season. Big advantage for Canucks with Luongo & Schneider

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If compliance buyouts are still available for teams after season, as has been speculated, then Vancouver can trade or buyout Luongo then.

Edited by -Vintage Canuck-, 06 January 2013 - 11:54 AM.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

I don't know if I want to see Edler get 6 million per season for 5 years.


Open market will easily get him 6m, and maybe more.

Edited by Baggins, 06 January 2013 - 12:40 PM.

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