Millerdraft Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 There were only 9 defensemen in the NHL last year with more points than Dennis Wideman. I have no idea why people keep going on and on about how awful Wideman's contract is, yet simultaneously going on and on about how wonderful Garrison's is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Yes, 50-point defensemen are worth $5m on an open market so Calgary slightly overpaid for a 50pt guy but he's also a completely one dimensional player. Now, what's a 30-40pt two-way defenseman worth? Shouldn't they be worth more than one-way defensive liabilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I have no idea why people keep going on and on about how awful Wideman's contract is, yet simultaneously going on and on about how wonderful Garrison's is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 And Florida wants him but GMDT won't give up Bjugstad. It's not rocket science, there is a difference between interest and not wanting to pay the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 No, because one person's specialty might be more impactful than another person's. What you're saying would be like saying that Kassian is more valuable than D. Sedin, since he both scores and fights, while Sedin is more one-dimensional. A lot of people found Christian Ehrhoff to be pretty one-dimensional. But that one-dimension was extremely valuable to our team - he brought something that we have not been able to replace. Investing in a couple of the other guys over Ehrhoff - Bieksa & Garrison, for example - was IMO a mistake. Specialists are often more impactful than jack-of-all-trades types, as well as more scarce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Frattin has played like 3 games, yes he had a nice game against Buffalo, Kadri is their leading scorer. I just can't see why any team would want to trade away a 22 year old who is leading there team in scoring, in the offseason I think it was there, right now it isn't. Especially since they ditched 2 capable top 9 centers to make room for him. Frattin is avaliable as he will probably be sent down when Lupul returns. And we need to get some quality. And I would rather Petrovic too personally as I am a big fan, but unfortunatly Petrovic doesn't play for the Marlies and the Leafs don't have anyone like him. Finn is sort of like Tanev, calm, cool, reliable, also has 29 points in 36 games on an a Guelph team that is middle of the pack in their confrence. So he is also sort of a Jack of all trades guy like Corrado. I would rather him than Percy or any of there other D prospects (that are avaliable) myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 That's because you judge players and even defensemen on a very simple basis - scoring stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 If they were that interested, they wouldn't be too concerned with the price. They're not even willing to part ways with a complete unknown for him, Nick Bjugstad, as you've alluded to. Of course, they might have interest, with the caveat being they're interested if we'll take back some of their crappy contracts and/or underperformers (Upshall anyone?). And what that should tell you is that they're really not that interested at all - certainly, no urgency is being shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Nothing trumps goals, assists, and SOG for isolated individual stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 So, by the term specialists you really just mean offensive specialists? Willie Mitchell is a defensive specialist and a lot of people say we'd have won the Cup had we had Mitchell instead of Ballard, since Mitchell could've stepped up in Hamhuis' absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 not just people on the board its known league wide Wideman's contract is a bad contract especially when you take into account the flames already have another awful contract in Bouwmeester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Frattin has 4 goals, 6 points +2 in 4 games, so if Kadri is not available because he's their young, leading scorer (7 points in 7 games), you'd think the same logic would apply to Frattin - although my opinion is that there is nothing in the Leafs organization too valuable to be on the table. And none of these Leafs proposals are compelling. The Frattin and a 1st part of that deal would be a nice start, but Finn isn't enough imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 source please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockNroLLa. Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 When it comes to high level players it's never easy to give up something good to get something good. Risks become magnified with these types of deals. That's not to say the interest is never there, it's just a question of "is it worth the risk to make this trade?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 in order to do that we need to make the playoffs also especially in florida a team that isn't drawing a lot of people luongo will change that right away and could give them sellouts every night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockNroLLa. Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Completely wrong? How? He's still on our team. If he gets traded tonight (or ever) for a package consisting of Braydon Coburn, Sean Couturier, and Wayne Simmonds - oldnews' proposal - or a package consisting of Teddy Purcell, Keith Aulie, and TB's 1st - Gollumpus/Smashian's proposal - I will very happily say that I was wrong. I don't expect that I'll need to do that. My thoughts on this whole ordeal really haven't changed. Luongo shutting out a jaw-droppingly bad Avalanche team doesn't make me think that GMs around the league are suddenly going to realize what an amazing opportunity they have to acquire him. To me, Gillis is the guy that's holding a stock that's falling, and all he can do is sit back, hope, and pray that the market will somehow turn around - which typically doesn't happen. I think he's played this wrong and I'd still heavily favor trading Schneider first, especially in light of what has happened to start this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfruits Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Luongo is a fan favorite in Florida and i never said they would be contenders i said they would make the playoffs with him Theodore played great last year but that looks to be a 1 great year for Florida with Luongo they will be making the playoffs every year he is there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think Garth Snow has got to be looking long at hard at Luongo right now. Nabokov is his starter - approaching 38 and free agency. No indication Dipietro is going to turn it around. A pair of average prospects who aren't doing much to impress. They're only spending 50 million in cap space - almost counterintuitive in a market like New York - yet like it or not he's spending 8 million on goaltending, and that is not likely to change barring a huge Dipietro buyout that they can't afford unless they start winning and generating interest. Does he bite the bullet and spend a couple more on Luongo (relative to Nabokov)? Nabokov and a package of youth and prospects to Vancouver. His UFA status allows the Canucks have a backup to Schneider they're committed to only until the end of the season, and then shed his 2.75 million cap. Their youth and prospects (particularly at center) are deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 No, not at all. You can be a defensive specialist, but I think that's pretty rare as it's sort of the prerequisite to being in the NHL at that position (ie - are there any forwards that are referred to as "scoring specialists"?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Hey King! How are those multiple warning signs surrounding Zack Kassian these days? I'm still looking forward to Calgary winning the Northwest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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