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#1921 King of the ES

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

So was Fabian Brunnstrom, I guess Dallas is great at picking up highly sought after UFA forwards, just like Toronto is at picking up highly sought after UFA goalies.


What's your point? I never said that Gustavsson turned out to be good, did I? At the time, he was thought-of as an intriguing player. That's the reality.

Does the name Eric Walsky ring a bell? A lot of people were pretty excited when the Canucks signed him a few years ago, during all the rage of signing the undrafted collegiate free agent.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:32 PM

They haven't signed him yet. What's the holdup? Right - they're probably not willing to pay him what he wants.

Why Toronto? They (probably) need a goalie, and they're better than the other teams that need a goalie (CBJ, NYI, etc.).


Are you kidding. Tell me you are joking. Whats the holdup?

They have been going through the process with Jim Jamieson, one that would change the landscape. They have had much bigger things to deal with, but when it becomes time to address that they surely will, he is there MVP.

I'm sure a team like the Hawks would be interested in him. Smith would go there well before Toronto.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

LOL LU is MILES BETTER than Mike Smith, the guy had one good season... Lu is consistently a winner. Did u see his numbers when he first got here and in Florida?? Forget the team infront, Lu is Elite! Always has been always will be.

If he gets dealt it will come back to haunt us, it will be the biggest mistake in Canucks history, trumping the Neely deal.


I agree with most of this. The last paragraph is too dramatic, but I do think it'll be a mistake to trade Roberto.

"Miles better" than Mike Smith - probably not. If you're Toronto, do you give up a significant package for Luongo (who's 3 years older than Smith), or do you sign Smith and keep all of your youth? Pretty easy decision.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

"Think again" - why wouldn't they be? Smith is a UFA in July anyway, so he'd be the definition of a rental. If Buffalo and/or Detroit are out of the playoffs and/or otherwise just not looking too strong, I could definitely see a move being made. Again, why wouldn't they?


Because the Sabres, Yotes and Wings are all in "win now" mode. Trading away #1 goaltenders like that doesn't help.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:34 PM

What's your point? I never said that Gustavsson turned out to be good, did I? At the time, he was thought-of as an intriguing player. That's the reality.

Does the name Eric Walsky ring a bell? A lot of people were pretty excited when the Canucks signed him a few years ago, during all the rage of signing the undrafted collegiate free agent.


Twist, Twist, Twist.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:36 PM

I agree with most of this. The last paragraph is too dramatic, but I do think it'll be a mistake to trade Roberto.

"Miles better" than Mike Smith - probably not. If you're Toronto, do you give up a significant package for Luongo (who's 3 years older than Smith), or do you sign Smith and keep all of your youth? Pretty easy decision.


It depends if they want to roll the dice, or go with a proven commodity. If Smith is even available.

Oh and yes, Bozak, Kadri 2nd is just completely unrealistic and totally empties the cupboards.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:37 PM

Are you kidding. Tell me you are joking. Whats the holdup?

They have been going through the process with Jim Jamieson, one that would change the landscape. They have had much bigger things to deal with, but when it becomes time to address that they surely will, he is there MVP.

I'm sure a team like the Hawks would be interested in him. Smith would go there well before Toronto.


The holdup is that Mike Smith wants to cash in. And, to cash in, he'll have to go someplace other than Phoenix (like, say, Toronto).

As for Chicago - Corey Crawford has had an excellent start to the year. He was very good a couple of years ago. He outplayed Luongo in our playoff series back in 2011. I don't think Chicago is in the market for a goaltender, especially a UFA who will want a big contract like Smith.

Edited by King of the ES, 06 February 2013 - 05:37 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:42 PM

Because the Sabres, Yotes and Wings are all in "win now" mode. Trading away #1 goaltenders like that doesn't help.


Not sure about that. Detroit is treading water. Phoenix knows that they're probably not going to be able to sign Smith, anyway, and Buffalo, for whatever reason, is not winning. Buffalo has Enroth that they might be willing to hand the reigns to, if someone were to make them a strong offer for Miller and they were out of playoff contention.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:42 PM

The holdup is that Mike Smith wants to cash in. And, to cash in, he'll have to go someplace other than Phoenix (like, say, Toronto).

As for Chicago - Corey Crawford has had an excellent start to the year. He was very good a couple of years ago. He outplayed Luongo in our playoff series back in 2011. I don't think Chicago is in the market for a goaltender, especially a UFA who will want a big contract like Smith.


:picard: You have no idea what you are talking about do you.

The holdup is they are looking for an owner. Does that not make sense to you.

Crawford actually didn't outplay Luongo, Luongo outplayed Crawford. And yes lets base everything off 1 playoff series. Holtby is looking great for the Caps too.

The thing Chicago has lacked and been desperate for is a #1 goalie, look at the contract they threw at Huet. Look at them being a contender for Roberto, that in itself tells the picture.

If Smith came available they would make every attempt to secure him.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:43 PM

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That's right, I'm gonna "face palm" a "face palm". Like it or not frazzY is right. You don't know what you have until it's gone.
That being said, it's too late to turn back now. Luongo wants out and I don't blame him. Look at all the fans on here jumping on the Schneider wagon. The untested Schneider wagon...
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:44 PM

Not sure about that. Detroit is treading water. Phoenix knows that they're probably not going to be able to sign Smith, anyway, and Buffalo, for whatever reason, is not winning. Buffalo has Enroth that they might be willing to hand the reigns to, if someone were to make them a strong offer for Miller and they were out of playoff contention.


Nothing in this post makes any sense.

Detriot and Buffalo aren't rebuilding, they have no other options. If they lost Miller and Howard they are done both this yeah and for the coming years, that would just signal a partial rebuild. Not sure why either team would do that.

and I guess you don't understand the concept of no owner = no luxuries (Like re-signing players during the season)

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:45 PM

Oh and yes, Bozak, Kadri 2nd is just completely unrealistic and totally empties the cupboards.


Not the point. If you can instead sign a UFA like Smith, you obviously don't have to part ways with any of those guys.

Just because they've done a good job at prospect accumulation doesn't mean that they should or would do any favours for the Vancouver Canucks because they may be "able" to part ways with a high-end prospect or two.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:47 PM

Not the point. If you can instead sign a UFA like Smith, you obviously don't have to part ways with any of those guys.

Just because they've done a good job at prospect accumulation doesn't mean that they should or would do any favours for the Vancouver Canucks because they may be "able" to part ways with a high-end prospect or two.


I guess you don't understand the concept of trading assets to get assets. Roberto is an elite goalie, that return is robbery for them.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:49 PM

Crawford actually didn't outplay Luongo, Luongo outplayed Crawford. And yes lets base everything off 1 playoff series. Holtby is looking great for the Caps too.

The thing Chicago has lacked and been desperate for is a #1 goalie, look at the contract they threw at Huet. Look at them being a contender for Roberto, that in itself tells the picture.

If Smith came available they would make every attempt to secure him.


I believe Luongo was pulled twice in that series. Crawford was the better and more consistent goaltender. He was the one that looked like the veteran. Those games perhaps were past your bedtime, so here are Crawford's numbers from that series, FYI: 2.21 GAA, .927 SVP, 1 SO. 1 goal away from eliminating the President's Trophy winners as the 8th seed.

RE: the "#1 goalie". People said the same thing with Antti Niemi, and then they won a Cup with him. Corey Crawford has all the tools to be a very good NHL goaltender. I can't see Chicago being seriously interested in adding someone else unless he were to get injured.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:51 PM

I guess you don't understand the concept of trading assets to get assets. Roberto is an elite goalie, that return is robbery for them.


Clearly, they don't share your opinion, as I don't imagine they've made that offer to Mike Gillis, who would be foolish to not accept it.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:54 PM

LOL LU is MILES BETTER than Mike Smith, the guy had one good season... Lu is consistently a winner. Did u see his numbers when he first got here and in Florida?? Forget the team infront, Lu is Elite! Always has been always will be.

If he gets dealt it will come back to haunt us, it will be the biggest mistake in Canucks history, trumping the Neely deal.

You are on drugs sir !! Mike Smith is better by a long shot. Better technically and fundamentally, quick as a cat, aggressive and was amazing last season. Lou may have, at one time been better but that is no longer the case !
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:56 PM

Thanks for your insight, teams around the league probably laugh at us for trying to run our franchise goalie out of town. Lu's hardest critics are in his own "fan base." You don't know what you've got til its gone. Mark my words it will be a huge mistake if he gets dealt, not to mention we are ready to win NOW and Schneider would fetch a better return.

Then, why is Vancouver trying to trade Lou?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:59 PM

Clearly, they don't share your opinion, as I don't imagine they've made that offer to Mike Gillis, who would be foolish to not accept it.

More like he would be foolish to accept it. With the way Luongo's been playing you trade him for assets that help you win now, not table scraps.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:00 PM

Gustavsson was highly thought-of at the time, that is a fact. He was supposedly dominating some sort of league in Sweden. He hasn't worked out.


Sorry, I didn't realize he was supposedly dominating some sort of league over there somewhere...
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:00 PM



I believe Luongo was pulled twice in that series. Crawford was the better and more consistent goaltender. He was the one that looked like the veteran. Those games perhaps were past your bedtime, so here are Crawford's numbers from that series, FYI: 2.21 GAA, .927 SVP, 1 SO. 1 goal away from eliminating the President's Trophy winners as the 8th seed.

RE: the "#1 goalie". People said the same thing with Antti Niemi, and then they won a Cup with him. Corey Crawford has all the tools to be a very good NHL goaltender. I can't see Chicago being seriously interested in adding someone else unless he were to get injured.


Lu had more wins, more shutouts, and SA against, came up big in big moments.

Crawford isn't a green rookie, he is 28 and has been up and down since the previous lockout. He's not going to become much better.

Clearly, they don't share your opinion, as I don't imagine they've made that offer to Mike Gillis, who would be foolish to not accept it.


Haha Foolish not to accept, that's hilarious an elite goaltender for a mediocre 2nd/3rd liner who is a pending UFA, an unproven rookie and a 2nd round pick.

Glad to see your not running the team, that's highway robbery for Toronto.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:05 PM

More like he would be foolish to accept it. With the way Luongo's been playing you trade him for assets that help you win now, not table scraps.


Yeah, Bozak & Kadri would add no value at all to this team, would they?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

Yeah, Bozak & Kadri would add no value at all to this team, would they?


Where do we have room for Kadri in the lineup once everyone is healthy? It would just be another Hodgson situation with less talent. He will NOT want to be a third or fourth line center and I can't see him meshing well with Kesler and Booth, especially with better players on our roster to have that wing spot.
Bozak is going to demand way too much for his new contract, and there is likely far better centres available via trade (players like Stephen Weiss, who is going to get the amount he deserves, not what he THINKS he deserves).

So, no, long term and short term, that is a terrible deal. Pretty sad that all you do is eat up "insider" drivel in hopes of sounding as if you know anything.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

Apparently Dreger said Kings want a 'high pick and good young player' for Bernier. LOL! Is anyone else thinking this is absurd.

Dregers spent the better part of the last 8 months wining about Gillis asking too much for Luongo. From what I can garner, the difference in asking price is a 'roster player'. Berniers a back up with below avg SV% on a defense first team, Luongos resume speaks for itself.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

Yeah, Bozak & Kadri would add no value at all to this team, would they?

If Bozak walks its Luongo for Kadri straight up, which Gillis would laugh hysterically at.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:13 PM

Apparently Dreger said Kings want a 'high pick and good young player' for Bernier. LOL! Is anyone else thinking this is absurd.

Dregers spent the better part of the last 8 months wining about Gillis asking too much for Luongo. From what I can garner, the difference in asking price is a 'roster player'. Berniers a back up with below avg SV% on a defense first team, Luongos resume speaks for itself.

I'm in the camp where I believe no one has any idea what Gillis really wants from these "insiders". Gillis is incredibly secretive and holds his cards to his chest at all times
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:15 PM

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Lu had more wins, more shutouts, and SA against, came up big in big moments.

Crawford isn't a green rookie, he is 28 and has been up and down since the previous lockout. He's not going to become much better.


Like letting in that SHG to Toews in the dying minutes of G7?

BTW - Crawford's barely a year older than Schneider.

Haha Foolish not to accept, that's hilarious an elite goaltender for a mediocre 2nd/3rd liner who is a pending UFA, an unproven rookie and a 2nd round pick.

Glad to see your not running the team, that's highway robbery for Toronto.


So if Kadri - 8 points in 10 games - is "an unproven rookie", how would you describe Kassian & Schroeder?

And BTW, elite or not, it's a simple supply/demand equation, which clearly is over your head.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:16 PM

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That's right, I'm gonna "face palm" a "face palm". Like it or not frazzY is right. You don't know what you have until it's gone.
That being said, it's too late to turn back now. Luongo wants out and I don't blame him. Look at all the fans on here jumping on the Schneider wagon. The untested Schneider wagon...


I know it's just been a few days, but apparently they're all jumping off Schneid bandwagon and piling back onto Lu's again. Try to keep up, alright? BTW, this could all change after tomorrow's game.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:18 PM

Berniers a back up with below avg SV% on a defense first team, Luongos resume speaks for itself.


Bernier has far more upside potential, is 24 years old, and is not signed until 2022. His NHL numbers after 49 career games are promising.

I'm not sure why people seemingly have such difficulties understanding the driving force of this deal, which is only one thing: Roberto Luongo's contract.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:21 PM

Like letting in that SHG to Toews in the dying minutes of G7?


Nah, probably the multiple shutouts and all the 40+ save performances that kept the team in it for so long. You tried, though.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:23 PM

If Bozak walks its Luongo for Kadri straight up, which Gillis would laugh hysterically at.


7th overall pick from 3 years ago who's showing serious promise as a scoring forward in the NHL. Seems like a trade I'd make, given the alternative of having $5.3M planted on the bench.

What's your expectation? What do you think we're going to get?
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