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{Proposal} 4 Trades - Stack the team for a Cup run? Its worked for other teams in the past.


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#1 Franz Liszt

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:04 PM

- First of all - Manny Malhotra & David Booth to LTIR
- This ends up with 50/50 contracts
- Canucks have $4,281,042 available in extra salary at the deadline
- Canucks have about $400,000~ in cap space after

To Philadelphia: Roberto Luongo, Jordan Schroeder, Kevin Connauton + VAN 2013 2nd
To Vancouver: Luke Schenn & Brayden Schenn

B. Schenn = Luongo
L. Schenn = Schroeder, Connauton + 2nd

REASONS: Ilya Bryzgalov isn't cutting it in Philly. Luongo is a very good upgrade. Flyers have a lot of centers, making on of the two young guys available. Couturier may be a better top-6 candidate for his size to go along with other bigger players like Simmonds, Voracek & Hartnell. For Luke, a couple good prospects plus a high pick should be reasonable, since they have to cut salary. We also have to cut salary, but Luke would fit under our cap with the departure of Ballard and the re-signing of Tanev.
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To Dallas: Billy Sweatt (RFA) + VAN 2013 3rd & 5th + VAN 2014 5th
To Vancouver: Jaromir Jagr (UFA) & Derek Roy (UFA)

Jagr (UFA) = Sweatt (RFA) + 2013 3rd
Roy (UFA) = 2013 5th & 2014 5th

REASONS: Jagr is the veteran with some game left in the tank that would put us over the top. Roy is the playmaker that Kesler needs. A prospect and three later round picks is what it would take for two pending UFA's for a cup run. We can always try to trade their rights (Roy's at least) for a draft pick later.
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To Phoenix: Keith Ballard, Anton Rodin (RFA) + VAN 2014 1st
To Vancouver: Martin Hanzal & Jason LaBarbera (UFA)

Hanzal = Ballard & 2014 1st
LaBarbera (UFA) = Rodin (RFA)

REASONS: Ballard had most of his success in Phoenix with Zbynek Michalek. They could potentially be re-united for some success. Hanzal is big 3rd line center (6'6 235) with some scoring touch and pretty good at faceoffs. He spends time competing for top-line minutes and play time versus Matthew Lombardi and Antoine Vermette, who are both better than Hanzal at faceoffs and show better offensive flair at times. Phoenix has 4 centers that are all above 50% (Vermette, Lombardi, Chipchura & Gordon). LaBarbera had success as a backup here before, so a mid pick along with a prospect and a defender who had success in Phoenix before might be enough to get that type of package IF the Coyotes keep falling.
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To NY Islanders: Andrew Alberts + VAN 2014 3rd
To Vancouver: Lubomir Visnovsky (UFA)

REASONS: Not much to explain, a good puck moving defender and powerplay guy who doesn't look to re-sign in NY. A future pick plus a contract is probably a good return for him. If other teams want to overpay, so be it.
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OUR PICKS IN 2013 & 2014

2013 = 1st, 4th, 6th & 7th
2014 = 2nd, 4th, 6th & 7th

- Remember: We can get some draft picks back for some of our players' UFA/RFA rights

ROSTER

1A. Sedin Sedin Burrows
1B. Roy Kesler Jagr
3A. Raymond B. Schenn Hansen
3B. Higgins Hanzal Lapierre

1A. Hamhuis Bieksa
2A. Edler L. Schenn
2B. Garrison Visnovsky

Schneider & LaBarbera

Here is my roster that works for when the cap drops as well:

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Raymond Kesler B. Schenn
Jensen Hanzal Hansen
Higgins Lapierre Kassian
Weise

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Tanev
Garrison L. Schenn
Barker

Schneider & Labarbera

Edited by R.A. Dickey, 17 March 2013 - 05:31 PM.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:15 PM

These are excellent but I don't know about if the other teams would do those.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:20 PM

LTI doesn't remove their cap hits, it just allows us to exceed the cap to bring in a replacement. We don't know at this point if Booth will qualify for that either, but we can't put them on LTI to 'build' more cap space for the deadline.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:24 PM

LTI doesn't remove their cap hits, it just allows us to exceed the cap to bring in a replacement. We don't know at this point if Booth will qualify for that either, but we can't put them on LTI to 'build' more cap space for the deadline.


Oh, I see. I didn't quite get how that worked, I was doing that more for the removal of a contract, and I don't think you can trade players that are injured. If thats the case, then I have 51/50 contracts.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 04:30 PM

LTI doesn't remove their cap hits, it just allows us to exceed the cap to bring in a replacement. We don't know at this point if Booth will qualify for that either, but we can't put them on LTI to 'build' more cap space for the deadline.


The thing about all these trade proposals is the people posting readily assume our players are of interest to other teams.

There is not one person outside of GMMG who say Luongo has value, none of the professional sports journalists, sportscasters, nobody. If Ballard had trade value. he'd be gone yesterday. GMMG knows many things, added many inovations, but he does not know players with respect to their value not only to his team but to other teams. See where we are April 4, that will make things clearer.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:06 PM

None are accepted aside from the NYI IMO.

I can't see Philly moving both Schenns, especially when one is a young 2C and the other is a young 1 pair defender for them.

The don't think Roy and Jagr are going to cost what alot here do, there value as rentals isn't all that high. But with Dallas contending for the playoffs and Jagr as there leading scorer I think they would wait a bit, or else ask for a little bit more.

And the Hanzal trade isn't even close.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:42 PM

Billy Sweatt + a 3rd, 4th and 5th for Jagr and Morrow. Hmmm

Do you think Dallas would be interested?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

I like it. Give Gillis a call. I got his private number if you need.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:49 PM

Billy Sweatt + a 3rd, 4th and 5th for Jagr and Morrow. Hmmm

Do you think Dallas would be interested?


Pending UFA's. No matter how good the player is they usually go for a very low price if they are on a losing team.

So in this case, if Dallas falls out of contention, a prospect and 3 picks may be good for them. Especially for a 41-year old and a guy who wants a new paycheck somewhere north of $5 million with the cap going down.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:52 PM

now who is going to play in our farm???
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:57 PM

Dallas says no, and we overpay in the Pheonix trade. I'd love for the Philly trade to work, that would be sick.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 06:02 PM

now who is going to play in our farm???


Sign all the college free agents lol

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:18 PM

Everything is good except Labarbera as backup. If Schneider gets hurt then do we have to play Labarbera

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:08 PM

Stack for the Cup; or, stuck for the Cap?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:13 PM

I doubt Philly would make the Luongo trade unless it's:

Luongo, Edler, Schroeder, Connauton and our 1st in 2013, and possibly a 2nd in 2014.

You're asking to give up a solid centre and a right handed D-man, they'd probably make us take Bryz and make us use a buyout to get rid of him. They'd have us over a barrel and Gillis can't really do much about it.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:09 AM

Sure thing make the call




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