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#61 Nino

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 08:45 AM

Get off of Luongo's rod, please. The only thing he has proven in the playoffs is that he's inconsistent.


His inconsistent play is consistently inconsistent.... Wouldn't that make him consistent?

To down under, Lou scares the hell out of me in the playoffs because you never know who will show up.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:14 AM

Schneider could run the table and I still wouldn't be convinced. Playing 30-something games in an abbreviated schedule is not the same as 60-70 over many months of hockey. Completely different ball-game. However he has proved he can play well and consistently over long stretches.

That being said, the playoffs is whole new beast. Even Cup winning goalies like Quick and Thomas had a few playoff failures, despite putting together solid regular seasons, before they could orchestrate a historic cup run. The only goalie in the last decade really who came out of nowhere, with no past playoff experience, and won a Cup was Niemi but he had a rediculously stacked team and defence in front of him to bail him out.

I now trust Schneider during the regular season, but don't trust him in the playoffs as much as I would Luongo. We've seen what Lu can do and how he comes up big in big games. Meanwhile Schneider has 1 playoff victory and no big-stage wins. Sure, everyone will be harboring about "giving him a chance", but we don't have 2 or 3 years for him to get that chance - we need a proven playoff performer in net NOW. And that's Luongo, like it or not.


Quick had 12 playoff games and Thomas had 18 before they won a cup. Cory has 8. What is really interesting is that both Quick and Thomas had at least .940sv% during their cup runs. Cory's 8 are at .940% but last year he was (3) .960%. The only time Lu reached .940 was his first year here (2007 -12 games .941%).

Cory is the starter. If for some reason he fails, then we are lucky to have Lu come in. The real ? will be the team in front of the goaltenders.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:27 AM

Luongo has won 15 games in a Cup run. Schneider has won 1. I'm not saying Schneider isn't better than Luongo, but his track record has yet to be proven.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:36 AM

Schneider could run the table and I still wouldn't be convinced. Playing 30-something games in an abbreviated schedule is not the same as 60-70 over many months of hockey. Completely different ball-game. However he has proved he can play well and consistently over long stretches.

That being said, the playoffs is whole new beast. Even Cup winning goalies like Quick and Thomas had a few playoff failures, despite putting together solid regular seasons, before they could orchestrate a historic cup run. The only goalie in the last decade really who came out of nowhere, with no past playoff experience, and won a Cup was Niemi but he had a rediculously stacked team and defence in front of him to bail him out.

I now trust Schneider during the regular season, but don't trust him in the playoffs as much as I would Luongo. We've seen what Lu can do and how he comes up big in big games. Meanwhile Schneider has 1 playoff victory and no big-stage wins. Sure, everyone will be harboring about "giving him a chance", but we don't have 2 or 3 years for him to get that chance - we need a proven playoff performer in net NOW. And that's Luongo, like it or not.


Luongo blows like Lethbridge

In the playoffs

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:48 AM

Most likely they were talking about a FULL season, as it stands he has played great this season but look at the amount of games played the past 3 season for each player

Schneider
2010-11 - 25gp
2011-12- 33gp
2012-13-25gp

Luongo
2010-11 60gp
2011-12 55 gp
2012-13 17gp

Schneider has played 8 games less this season than he did last, although in a shortened season. If he was the undisputed 1st he would have started a higher percentage of games.

Luongo's 2010/11 and 2011/12 gp is what a starter can expect to play(in a full season) and he has yet to play 55 or 60 games(Below Luongo's seaon average) in a season, so no he has not proven he can stand up to the rigorous demands of the starter position yet and keep up a good standard of play, that is what next season is going to prove.
Playoffs is another story, Since Luongo is critiqued as a playoff choker, this year schneider is most likely the starter and he will have to get us into the 2nd round or better, with as little goal support as canuck goalies are used to in the playoffs, most likely due to the bipolar nature of canuck fans if we do not get out of the 1st round schneider will either get excuses made for him or Roasted by Luongo lovers and the media will have a heyday with speculation if it was better to go with Luongo or not and it will be fodder for trade schneider speculations


Nvm thought is was games started

Edited by mbal23, 13 April 2013 - 09:50 AM.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:32 AM

True, although Luo is a great goalie, still has a lot to prove. I believe next year he's gonna have a great season and many Luo haters will hate him leaving.

Wishing he will regain form and have a great season is not going to make it happen. Lou's game is broken and he seems unable to integrate technical improvements in his game. Stats are a measurement of success and Lou's stats are well below Schneiders. There is a definite and technical reason why. Lou was better than usual in the Calgary game, took a lot of shots on the crest which translates into better position. They are not crowd pleasing, grandstanding saves but solid , efficient goaltending, like Schneider. Reading the play, understanding options and squaring to puck (shooter) is a big part of what Schneider does better than Lou. Other than puck handling there is nothing that Lou does better than Schneider. I truly hope Lou can improve but its becoming apparent that he struggles to be able to make changes and thus improvements in his game. He had made significant improvements during the lockout that were successful but for whatever reason are no longer in place and his game has suffered.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:48 AM

Just remember that most people on this site have 0 yrs in goaltending. ;)

Yes, I understand that, but they still won't listen to and criticize those who have, form their own self-serving and Lou saving opinions and have no technical knowledge to legitimize their opinions.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:00 AM

Get off of Luongo's rod, please. The only thing he has proven in the playoffs is that he's inconsistent.


Get off of Schneider's then.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:14 AM

Schneider could run the table and I still wouldn't be convinced. Playing 30-something games in an abbreviated schedule is not the same as 60-70 over many months of hockey. Completely different ball-game. However he has proved he can play well and consistently over long stretches.

That being said, the playoffs is whole new beast. Even Cup winning goalies like Quick and Thomas had a few playoff failures, despite putting together solid regular seasons, before they could orchestrate a historic cup run. The only goalie in the last decade really who came out of nowhere, with no past playoff experience, and won a Cup was Niemi but he had a rediculously stacked team and defence in front of him to bail him out.

I now trust Schneider during the regular season, but don't trust him in the playoffs as much as I would Luongo. We've seen what Lu can do and how he comes up big in big games. Meanwhile Schneider has 1 playoff victory and no big-stage wins. Sure, everyone will be harboring about "giving him a chance", but we don't have 2 or 3 years for him to get that chance - we need a proven playoff performer in net NOW. And that's Luongo, like it or not.


Its not a goaltending debate until this guy shows up. :lol: each and every time.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:21 AM

This playoff run is really gonna seal it, if he can get us through the second round, that would be real impressive with the conference so competitive.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 03:39 PM

My personal bias' towards Luongo will always lend me to favour him.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:33 PM

Schneider still has not played a full season as an NHL starter so I would say he is still unproven. His numbers look great but he hasn't started more than 28 games in a season. We still don't know how he would handle the toll of 60+ regular season games and then a playoff run. That's why it would be a huge mistake to trade Luongo before knowing if Schneider can stand up to the full grind of being a starting goaltender.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:44 PM

Schneider still has not played a full season as an NHL starter so I would say he is still unproven. His numbers look great but he hasn't started more than 28 games in a season. We still don't know how he would handle the toll of 60+ regular season games and then a playoff run. That's why it would be a huge mistake to trade Luongo before knowing if Schneider can stand up to the full grind of being a starting goaltender.


you can tell this guy owns a luongo jersey
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:47 PM

you can tell this guy owns a luongo jersey


I probably should get one because if he gets traded, it'll be another 5 years before another goaltender takes Vancouver to the Stanley Cup Final (and his name won't be Schneider).
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:49 PM

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Please stop pretending to know anything, it is getting on everyone's nerves.

You know who this applies to...

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:49 PM

I probably should get one because if he gets traded, it'll be another 5 years before another goaltender takes Vancouver to the Stanley Cup Final (and his name won't be Schneider).


how do you know?
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:52 PM

how do you know?


I don't know for sure. Just going by this team's history, there's usually a while between Stanley Cup Final appearances.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:59 PM

I don't know for sure. Just going by this team's history, there's usually a while between Stanley Cup Final appearances.


what are you even talking about? what does history have to do with schneider or luongo? are you saying that Luongo is good enough to erase the team's historical problem of being in the SCF consistently, and that Schneider iSN'T good enough for that?

going by the team's history, there's usually a while between SCF appearances, and if you're going to use history to judge the future, then that "while between" will happen regardless of who the goalie is

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 06:13 PM

give it a break.. regardless of who's in net we ain't going to the SCF lol.. this team have no consistency.. and u can't just flip a switch on in the playoff... we don't have the skill.. we have a slowly declining Sedins.. a who knows how healthy Kesler.. and the most overrated defense in the league.. that does not add up to a team turning it on and making a run.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 06:17 PM

I sense goalie controversy V2.5 coming next month


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

Ya he can get traded to another team in need of a goalie where they give us a scoring winger or centre and a draft pick. We could easy fetch more in trade with Schneider then Luu and still have awesome goaltending. Lack could be back up and after a couple yrs playing behind Luu we can go through all this again, but by then luu will be 37 and we will want to go younger then.

Ya he can get traded to another team in need of a goalie where they give us a scoring winger or centre and a draft pick. We could easy fetch more in trade with Schneider then Luu and still have awesome goaltending. Lack could be back up and after a couple yrs playing behind Luu we can go through all this again, but by then luu will be 37 and we will want to go younger then.


This doesn't make sense as Lu will be 37 and still with a big contract. So he wouldn't be as tradeable than as now. However, Cory will be still be tradeable still few years down the road if you assume Lack can play in the NHL as a number 1
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:35 PM

You can debate on if can take over for Lu or not, but he is ready to be a number one goalie on a team with one goalie (ours or whatever) He has been for years and had the ability

He's not a rookie kid, he's a full fledged NHL-er with the tools and talent of a superstar goalie.
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I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:38 PM

I guess Tampa should move Stamkos instead of Lecavalier then


Lol good one, he got served.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:40 PM

give it a break.. regardless of who's in net we ain't going to the SCF lol.. this team have no consistency.. and u can't just flip a switch on in the playoff... we don't have the skill.. we have a slowly declining Sedins.. a who knows how healthy Kesler.. and the most overrated defense in the league.. that does not add up to a team turning it on and making a run.


Very true, if they cant score on the pp or hand out unforced errors does it really matter who's in net? Is Cory or Lu going to single handily win the cup without the team scoring or playing sound defense?

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:45 PM

give it a break.. regardless of who's in net we ain't going to the SCF lol.. this team have no consistency.. and u can't just flip a switch on in the playoff...

You obviously didn't catch the 1993/94 season. A .500 hockey team grabbing one of the final seeds into the playoffs and surprising everyone.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

You obviously didn't catch the 1993/94 season. A .500 hockey team grabbing one of the final seeds into the playoffs and surprising everyone.


People outside of Vancouver and casual fans may have been surprised. Everyone who really followed the team knew the underacheived greatly that year in the regular season.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 08:40 PM

People outside of Vancouver and casual fans may have been surprised. Everyone who really followed the team knew the underacheived greatly that year in the regular season.


Definitely two different teams.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:00 PM

Luongo blows like Lethbridge

In the playoffs

Like it or not


This could be true.I thought the question was about Cory,who has proven himself as a regular season goalie.He has also proven to this point in time to be a failure in post season i.e. last seasons playoffs played 3 lost 2. Not much more to be said.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:11 PM

People outside of Vancouver and casual fans may have been surprised. Everyone who really followed the team knew the underacheived greatly that year in the regular season.

Kind of sounds like another Canucks team we've been watching.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:41 PM

Kind of sounds like another Canucks team we've been watching.

Exactly!
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