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#1 Nigerian

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:30 PM

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With seeing the sedins last night split up for the first time under torts, I think we all should expect to see more of that coming especially when there is no outcome from our first line. I liked what I saw from the higgins-henrik-santorelli line and if there were an eventual daniel-kesler-burrows/booth/kassian line I think our offense would be a lot more balanced. I like the way torts is playing our superstars on the PK as well as splitting them up so early in the season. I think the sedins should only be paired up on the powerplay. Extremely talented of course but they are becoming to predictable which is starting to effect their play in the Offensive zone.

With Kassian coming back this weekend against Montreal, I was doing a little research on his stats with his split up time in the nhl. We all know and want the type of player kassian could be and most of us bash him for not breaking out last year at only 22 years old. He has played only 83 games in his time spent in the nhl, basically one full season, and has put up 21 points at the nhl level. As a power forward at such a young age, not to forget the pressure of vancouvers media and fan base, I think he has done well for himself and is obviously still learning. Many reports and interviews indicated that the kid is determined to make a difference this upcoming season with the increased training workload he put on this off season. With a full season, minus the suspension, I have high expectations for kassian and expect no less that 40points out of the kid.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:32 PM

If we are winning then I say take out Weber, add Kassian to the 4th line and keep the top 6 as is. Currently it's working, We have 12 goals in 3 games.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:38 PM

If we are winning then I say take out Weber, add Kassian to the 4th line and keep the top 6 as is. Currently it's working, We have 12 goals in 3 games.

Of course weber is the one to go, but Kassian should and will be playing top 6 minutes on either the 2nd or 1st line.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:39 PM

If we are winning then I say take out Weber, add Kassian to the 4th line and keep the top 6 as is. Currently it's working, We have 12 goals in 3 games.


Amen. hell , you could even take out weise. Kassian would be an upgrade even though I like Weise on the 4th
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:41 PM

Kassian will get to play wherever he earns a spot. Torts is already showing (Hamhuis benched, 4th line player in OT) that he rewards those who are performing and executing. I love it! It really builds the team when everyone knows they are truly accountable to the coach and each-other and will be recognized for their efforts. Kassian will be given a chance in the top 6 but if he isn't getting it done, he could be bottom 6 or even sent down. It's up to him.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:44 PM

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Kassian doesn't have the offensive upside that fans expect from him. He could one day be a second line PWF but he has not yet earned the right to be there. Players like Burrows and Kesler are prime examples of how youth has to move their way up the lineup. Tortorella will exploit Kassians low give a sh*t work ethic and he'll be in the doghouse until he can bring a complete game night in and night out.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:49 PM

Ideally, Kassian would be paired with a playmaking center to have success, like Lucic with Krejci. Which Kesler is not. He is not good enough defensively to be on a 3rd shutdown line.

Therefore, best spot is with the Sedins, however with Burrows and Hansen playing well with them, Kassian has to play rock solid to earn that spot. Kind of a tricky situation.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:55 PM

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Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Higgins - Santorelli - Hansen
Sestito - Richardson - Weise
Dalpe
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:57 PM

was hamhuis really benched?
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:58 PM

If we are winning then I say take out Weber, add Kassian to the 4th line and keep the top 6 as is. Currently it's working, We have 12 goals in 3 games.


You mean 11 goals in 2 games against teams we SHOULD crush. Bring on the SJS and LA type teams. That's when we'll see the the true potency of our offense.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:05 PM

You mean 11 goals in 2 games against teams we SHOULD crush. Bring on the SJS and LA type teams. That's when we'll see the the true potency of our offense.

Well then, Thursdays we will see the "True potency of our offense". I would be surprised if we win, SJS top 6 is better then our top 6 right now without Burrows.

Thornton, Marleau, Couture, Pavelski, Burks, Hertl > Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Hansen, Higgins, Booth.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:15 PM

The team is betetr with Kassian playing with the Sedins, there's just not a significant enough drop off between him and Burrows/Hansen on the 1st line. The Sedins have the puck on their sticks most of the time anyways.

However, I believe there's a greater drop off between Kassian and Burrows/Hansen on the 2nd/3rd lines. Burrows has the best chemistry with Kesler on the team and Hansen is an absolute beast on the 3rd line. Probably the best 3rd liner in hockey.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:20 PM

put Kasasin on fourth line but give him second unit PP time as net presence.....would love to devleop him as tomas Holomson kind of player?
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:37 PM

Kassian will get to play wherever he earns a spot. Torts is already showing (Hamhuis benched, 4th line player in OT) that he rewards those who are performing and executing. I love it! It really builds the team when everyone knows they are truly accountable to the coach and each-other and will be recognized for their efforts. Kassian will be given a chance in the top 6 but if he isn't getting it done, he could be bottom 6 or even sent down. It's up to him.


This. Hamhuis has not been very good this season
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:38 PM

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Higgins - Santorelli - Hansen
Sestito - Richardson - Weise
Dalpe


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:52 PM

All the line-building is still a work-in-progress. I'd say it's too early to definitively say where each player goes. We can't even say for sure, yet, that the Sedins will or will not be split up.

At the moment, I would not consider Kassian a top 6 player. He's done nothing to prove himself. When Burrows and Schroeder come back, he has them, Hansen, and Booth to contend with for the available top 6 spots.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:18 PM

was hamhuis really benched?


17 minutes last night played less than Edler, Bieksa, Garrison AND Tanev.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:56 PM

If we are still scoring lots of goals by the time Kassian gets back then I saw ease him in. Start him off on the third line and as soon as the offense dries up we put him with the Sedins.

Eventually I think the line up should look like this when Burrows gets back.

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Burrows - Kesler - Hansen
Higgins - Santorelli - Booth
Dalpe - Richardson - Weise

That second line could be the best shutdown line in the NHL while still putting up points.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:16 PM

Some nights Kass will get top6 mins, and others he won't. Consistency in his play will earn him more minuets, that's what we want.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:17 PM

It's up to kassian to determine where or even if he will play.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:21 PM

This. Hamhuis has not been very good this season


It's a good thing there are 79 games left in the season for him to get things sorted out. :)

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:51 PM

17 minutes last night played less than Edler, Bieksa, Garrison AND Tanev.


And nobody thinks he might be playing through an injury?
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:56 PM

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Higgins - Santorelli - Hansen
Sestito - Richardson - Weise
Dalpe



Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Burrows - Kesler - Hansen
Higgins - Santorelli - Booth
Dalpe - Richardson - Weise


I am betting we see both of these line ups during this season.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:57 PM

And nobody thinks he might be playing through an injury?


He was given time off for "general soreness" recently, pre season I think.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:58 PM

Hansen Henrik Kassian
Daniel Kesler Santorelli
Booth Richardson Weise
Sestito Dalphe Higgins

w/ Burrows

Hansen Henrik Kassian
Daniel Kesler Santorelli
Booth Richardson Burrows
Sestito Higgins Weise

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:00 PM

was hamhuis really benched?


Demoted to pairing with Tanev, while Stanton played with Juice... it really was Hamhuis who got demoted not Juice.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:01 PM

Kassian can double shift 3rd and 4th and maybe get some PP time.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:14 PM

I'd try this to spread the scoring depth. This is how I'd do it when everyone's healthy.

Burrows - Hank - Hansen
(two gritty wingers who know how to cycle, pass, take the net front and can also one-time passes)

Daniel - Kesler - Higgins
(Kes and Higgy work well, while Daniel helps spread the scoring depth)

Booth - *Schroeder - Kassian
(similar to Cole - Desharnais - Patches, and I'd like to see Jordan set up his wingmates around the net)

Weise- Richardson - *Santorelli
(decent defensive line with some skill)

Sestito, Dalpe
(didn't expect Zac to get relegated from the lineup so quickly, guess that's why the Canes happily traded him)

*If Santo really plays well in the near future, even when Schroeder comes back I'd still give Mike the 3rd line center role, unless in turn Jordan proves he's an even better option for that role.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:15 PM

Demoted to pairing with Tanev, while Stanton played with Juice... it really was Hamhuis who got demoted not Juice.


The way Casual Kev plays sometimes it may been seen more of a reward then a punishment to play with Tanev. The guys so cool with the puck and very rarely makes a mistake unlike Casual Kev who I do like alot but come on he was kind of brutal last night. I wouldn't mind them keeping Hammer with Tanev (does he have a cool nick name yet?) for a bit just to see what could happen.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:20 PM

IMHO, the best lineup we can put out:

Sedins- Kassian
Burrows-Kes-Hansen
Booth-Schroeder-Higgins
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