jdatb Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 5 hours ago, BI3KSA- said: Thinking Canada has no enemies is very, very ignorant. We've made plenty just being part of NATO all this time, and being associated with America and part of their wars in the middle east. That and anytime you have as much as we have there is always going to be people lining up to take it. Canada gains a great many benefits from being part of NATO, and we shouldnt even consider leaving it IMO. it was a joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 6 hours ago, BI3KSA- said: Thinking Canada has no enemies is very, very ignorant. We've made plenty just being part of NATO all this time, and being associated with America and part of their wars in the middle east. That and anytime you have as much as we have there is always going to be people lining up to take it. Canada gains a great many benefits from being part of NATO, and we shouldnt even consider leaving it IMO. Who are these enemies that we need NATO to protect us from? What are their capabilities to project power across three oceans? When has Canada benefited from its NATO membership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 22 hours ago, taxi said: Yeah...Russia will just abandon their plan to take over the Arctic Territories, because we are nice guys. Do Russian claims in the arctic even cross over Canada's claims? If they do I think its minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 4 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Do Russian claims in the arctic even cross over Canada's claims? If they do I think its minimal. Russia's latest claim is for 1.2 million square KM and essentially claim all of the Arctic including the North Pole: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/russia-submits-claim-for-vast-arctic-seabed-territories-at-united-nations That blue area in the image is what Russia is claiming, and what is in dispute. So it's more than "minimal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 23 minutes ago, taxi said: Russia's latest claim is for 1.2 million square KM and essentially claim all of the Arctic including the North Pole: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/russia-submits-claim-for-vast-arctic-seabed-territories-at-united-nations That blue area in the image is what Russia is claiming, and what is in dispute. So it's more than "minimal". Fair enough. I thought I remembered reading that Russian and Canadian claims hardly ran through each others claims. My bad I guess. Nevertheless only one Nato Country could prevent Russia from taking Canadian waters and thats the U.S. Russia doesn't fear any other Country in nato or nato as a whole if not for the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I'm not sure the Americans are members of NATO, they may just be "supporters". Germany and France as well as Britain have enough military might of their own to make Russia very careful about their choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 4 minutes ago, gurn said: I'm not sure the Americans are members of NATO, they may just be "supporters". Germany and France as well as Britain have enough military might of their own to make Russia very careful about their choices. The US are members of NATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 14 minutes ago, gurn said: I'm not sure the Americans are members of NATO, they may just be "supporters". Germany and France as well as Britain have enough military might of their own to make Russia very careful about their choices. As Aliboy stated, the US Are members of NATO. However, the combined forces of France, Germany, and the UK would be a match for Russia. That war wouldn't be pretty and would definitely force Russia to consider their choices carefully. Even though Germany's military is currently neutered. They are a huge industrial and commercial power. At any time, they could flip the switch and go into military mode. The UK has about 225 nuclear warheads and France has about 300. Pales in comparison to Russia's 8000 or so, but you only need to blow up your enemy once, not 100 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 On 11/24/2015 10:48:59, aliboy said: No joke, here is an article about the state of the Russian military, they say about 1400 combat aircraft, but only some of those can challenge the F-16's and they can't put them all in one place. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russias-military-is-the-largest-in-the-region-but-it-isnt-the-same-force-as-in-soviet-times/2014/03/10/b3b955b8-a48c-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html In the article it is stated they would win a war with Ukraine but at great cost, but Turkey's military is far more powerful then that of the Ukraine, which let it's military fall apart after the breakup of the USSR. The Russian military went through many years of neglect, Putin is trying to bring it back but is focusing on only certain units. An American newspaper reporting on Russia's payload and arsenal, and you use it as a factual report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 1 hour ago, taxi said: As Aliboy stated, the US Are members of NATO. However, the combined forces of France, Germany, and the UK would be a match for Russia. That war wouldn't be pretty and would definitely force Russia to consider their choices carefully. Even though Germany's military is currently neutered. They are a huge industrial and commercial power. At any time, they could flip the switch and go into military mode. The UK has about 225 nuclear warheads and France has about 300. Pales in comparison to Russia's 8000 or so, but you only need to blow up your enemy once, not 100 times. And then they press the button and then someone else presses a button, and before you know it............Nuclear winter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 27 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: An American newspaper reporting on Russia's payload and arsenal, and you use it as a factual report? The neglect of the Russian armed forces over a prolonged period of time is no secret, plenty of references can be found. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/intro.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 6 minutes ago, aliboy said: The neglect of the Russian armed forces over a prolonged period of time is no secret, plenty of references can be found. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/intro.htm As with the United States, you are only seeing what they allow you to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 2 hours ago, gurn said: I'm not sure the Americans are members of NATO, they may just be "supporters". Germany and France as well as Britain have enough military might of their own to make Russia very careful about their choices. Germany, France and Britain would hardly be a match for Russia. Nukes aside which Russia dominates anyway, the combined air, tank and manpower are not equal to Russia. Britains military is depleted and in shambles. And yes the U.s is a member of Nato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 12 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: As with the United States, you are only seeing what they allow you to see. Look, it just isn't true, it is well known that for many years the Russian military was almost completely neglected, it has only been under Putin that they have started putting money back into it again, but even still only in selected areas. Putin has not attempted to restore the military as a whole, put has focused on certain units, ships, etc. The overall state is still in very bad condition and if Russia had to fight a large scale war in which they had to field Divisions, etc, they would be up a creek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 1 hour ago, taxi said: As Aliboy stated, the US Are members of NATO. However, the combined forces of France, Germany, and the UK would be a match for Russia. That war wouldn't be pretty and would definitely force Russia to consider their choices carefully. Even though Germany's military is currently neutered. They are a huge industrial and commercial power. At any time, they could flip the switch and go into military mode. The UK has about 225 nuclear warheads and France has about 300. Pales in comparison to Russia's 8000 or so, but you only need to blow up your enemy once, not 100 times. With out U.S help I believe Europe would get steam rolled. Lots of American politicians and military folks seem to agree that Europe is far to weak. Look at all the U.S bases in Western Europe still today. Hell Britain had to ask Canada and France just last week to search for a suspected Russian sub as they don't have the capabilities to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 8 minutes ago, aliboy said: Look, it just isn't true, it is well known that for many years the Russian military was almost completely neglected, it has only been under Putin that they have started putting money back into it again, but even still only in selected areas. Putin has not attempted to restore the military as a whole, put has focused on certain units, ships, etc. The overall state is still in very bad condition and if Russia had to fight a large scale war in which they had to field Divisions, etc, they would be up a creek. Lol not even close. Russia is still ranked the 2nd most advanced military in the world according to most American Generals. Given Russian troop levels and hardware it makes them a very strong force that could endure a full scale war. Infact according to the u.s military only America and Russia have the capacity and capabilities, troops, hardware, etc to wage a full scale war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 17 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: With out U.S help I believe Europe would get steam rolled. Lots of American politicians and military folks seem to agree that Europe is far to weak. Look at all the U.S bases in Western Europe still today. Hell Britain had to ask Canada and France just last week to search for a suspected Russian sub as they don't have the capabilities to do so. No one is getting steamed rolled by Russia on that scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 13 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Lol not even close. Russia is still ranked the 2nd most advanced military in the world according to most American Generals. Given Russian troop levels and hardware it makes them a very strong force that could endure a full scale war. Infact according to the u.s military only America and Russia have the capacity and capabilities, troops, hardware, etc to wage a full scale war. Provide some sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 24 minutes ago, aliboy said: Look, it just isn't true, it is well known that for many years the Russian military was almost completely neglected, it has only been under Putin that they have started putting money back into it again, but even still only in selected areas. Putin has not attempted to restore the military as a whole, put has focused on certain units, ships, etc. The overall state is still in very bad condition and if Russia had to fight a large scale war in which they had to field Divisions, etc, they would be up a creek. Based on what you've read. Really? And you can prove without a shadowof a doubt that your information is 100% correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Just now, aliboy said: Provide some sources. I certainly can however Im on my cell phone. It's pretty well known those are the only 2 nations that could endure a full scale war. Some of you live in the old days that think Britain is a force, actually they have become a joke compared to years ago, much like Canada. Britain is slashing military spending and cutting troop levels to below 90,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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