Policeman and suspected gunman shot dead in Paris 'terror attack'

[Warhippy]

4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I didn't come up with the definition governments did.

And it's stupid.  Justification for crap like invasions for WMDS

 

Terror is not related to religious or politically motivated events specifically 

 

A child who watches their parents gunned down by a neighbor who goes to shoot 8 people dead is no less terrorized than a child who watches their parents gunned down by a guy screaming god is great.

 

The religion of peace is the same as the religion that wiped out generations of natives.  Perpetuated the slave trade.  Wiped out large portions of native Africans.   Committed mass atrocities in India.  Was the religion of choice for s guy in Germany in the 30s and so on.

 

It's just "their turn" this generation

[Bo053]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

1.6 BILLION Muslims.   And some go nuts and it's "the religion of peace strikes again"

 

White Christian or catholic guns down a bunch of people

 

"When's the last time that happened!"

 

Muslim 

Islamist 

 

Learn the difference 

 

Also.  It happens all the time.  It's just nobody ever mentions the religion of someone who isn't brown.  Seriously go check it out

Yes, because they are extremists doing it in the name of the religion because they believe in paradise and wake up every morning wanting to kill apostates. Why is that so complicated to understand?

And there you go just as I called it saying that I am insinuating all 1.6 billion muslims are terrorists lol, typical liberal argument.

Criticizing islam =/= bigotry against muslims as people, learn the difference and stop conflating the two.

You are beyond delusional if you don't think this growing global phenomenon of islamic jihad isn't concerning. As you say there is 1.6 billion muslims, doesn't take a very big percentage of them being extremists to be concerning. 1/4 of 1 percent is 4 million people.

[Warhippy]

16 minutes ago, Bo053 said:

Yes, because they are extremists doing it in the name of the religion because they believe in paradise and wake up every morning wanting to kill apostates. Why is that so complicated to understand?

And there you go just as I called it saying that I am insinuating all 1.6 billion muslims are terrorists lol, typical liberal argument.

Criticizing islam =/= bigotry against muslims as people, learn the difference and stop conflating the two.

You are beyond delusional if you don't think this growing global phenomenon of islamic jihad isn't concerning. As you say there is 1.6 billion muslims, doesn't take a very big percentage of them being extremists to be concerning. 1/4 of 1 percent is 4 million people.

Don't call me a liberal with your childish bs.  Please.

 

Typical right wing stupidity to do that honestly 

 

So.  If there's 2.2 billion Christians.   I guess an equal amount are also killers by the numbers or hate specific demographics.  70.6 percent of Americans are Christians.  With 30k gun related acts of violence that's 741,000 religious extremists in America alone by your standards

 

Stop pretending they're  different to make yourself feel better about a deep seated prejudice about things you know less about than you do about me.

 

Just REALLY have to know though.  This "phenomenon" of islamic jihad.  How much of that do you think exists because a good god fearing Christian country like America spent 30 years bombing their homes?

 

Just curious.  Because you'd have to be delusional to think they're somehow not tied together.  Just like you'd have to be stupid to not understand they're exactly the same regardless of skin colour or whichever sky fairy they believe in before they kill innocent people 

[Mustapha]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

No...the difference is Christians aren't shouting GOD before they do it

 

Dead is dead.  Murder is murder.  Trying to insinuate 1.6 billion people are cut from the same cloth is ignorance at its finest 

 

Look at America.  More mass shootings committed in a Christian country last year than thete are days in a year.  There's a difference because they're not shouting JESUS first?

 

No mas that crap doesn't fly.  It's akin to saying "Christianity the religion of tolerance" when they refuse to accept the LGBT community or are stoning them to death in African countries or imprisoning them.

 

That kind of ignorance is exactly what perpetuates this crap.  Blanket statements that include an entire demographic.

 

As well.  When I was in Israel we had a security team as well.  Turkey an escort.  Buy....In Israel we got to see how Hasidic sect females were treated. 

 

Absolutely disgusting really.  Less than human.  Iran; if you respect their laws and customs you'll be fine.  Goes for any country in the world.

If Christianity and Islam are simply two sides of the same coin, why is it that the majority of Western nations with a Christian background tend to be free and open societies that are tolerant of a variety of beliefs while the Islamic nations tend to be theocracies that oppress the non-believers?

 

I mean, the 'Christian' USA is known for having the most liberal free speech laws in the world, and American culture is based around the freedom of the individual. I can't even think of one place in the Middle East that can meet that description. Not even 'secular '20th century Turkey.

 

You see, there are fundamental differences. Islam is a political force as much as it is a cultural and religious force. You cannot 'update' or change the Shariah laws, they are commandments from the divine. There are no inalienable human rights for the individual, and your rights are determined by your gender and religious belief.

 

Constrast that against the US Constitution,  which permits amendments and new legislation and interpretation to allow for greater freedom in modern society. God is not consulted during any of the process. People write the laws, people change the laws. No divine instruction. 

 

Mass shootings do occur in the USA quite often, for a variety of reasons. If you truly believe that they are mostly 'radicalized Christians' you are entitled to your opinion, but it sounds like a false equivalence to me. You have no problem explaining the nuances between a Muslim and an Islamist, but then insinuate that mass shootings in the US are primarily inspired by religious Christian fanaticism without a shred of evidence.

 

Then you sit there and accuse the USA of being intolerant to the LGBT community...ok compared to whom? Iran? Russia? China? Last I checked, they have all the same human rights as everyone else (thanks again, US Constitution and Bill of Rights) and it's ILLEGAL to discriminate against them. 

 

 

...but there are some crappy countries in Africa where horrible atrocities occur, and there are some Christians there, so two problems makes a 'who cares' . Blanket statements indeed.

 

 

 

[Goat James]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

Don't call me a liberal with your childish bs.  Please.

 

Typical right wing stupidity to do that honestly 

 

So.  If there's 2.2 billion Christians.   I guess an equal amount are also killers by the numbers or hate specific demographics.  70.6 percent of Americans are Christians.  With 30k gun related acts of violence that's 741,000 religious extremists in America alone by your standards

 

Stop pretending they're  different to make yourself feel better about a deep seated prejudice about things you know less about than you do about me.

 

Just REALLY have to know though.  This "phenomenon" of islamic jihad.  How much of that do you think exists because a good god fearing Christian country like America spent 30 years bombing their homes?

 

Just curious.  Because you'd have to be delusional to think they're somehow not tied together.  Just like you'd have to be stupid to not understand they're exactly the same regardless of skin colour or whichever sky fairy they believe in before they kill innocent people 

 

 

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[Warhippy]

9 minutes ago, The Game said:

 

 

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[Warhippy]

47 minutes ago, Mustapha said:

If Christianity and Islam are simply two sides of the same coin, why is it that the majority of Western nations with a Christian background tend to be free and open societies that are tolerant of a variety of beliefs while the Islamic nations tend to be theocracies that oppress the non-believers?

 

I mean, the 'Christian' USA is known for having the most liberal free speech laws in the world, and American culture is based around the freedom of the individual. I can't even think of one place in the Middle East that can meet that description. Not even 'secular '20th century Turkey.

 

You see, there are fundamental differences. Islam is a political force as much as it is a cultural and religious force. You cannot 'update' or change the Shariah laws, they are commandments from the divine. There are no inalienable human rights for the individual, and your rights are determined by your gender and religious belief.

 

Constrast that against the US Constitution,  which permits amendments and new legislation and interpretation to allow for greater freedom in modern society. God is not consulted during any of the process. People write the laws, people change the laws. No divine instruction. 

 

Mass shootings do occur in the USA quite often, for a variety of reasons. If you truly believe that they are mostly 'radicalized Christians' you are entitled to your opinion, but it sounds like a false equivalence to me. You have no problem explaining the nuances between a Muslim and an Islamist, but then insinuate that mass shootings in the US are primarily inspired by religious Christian fanaticism without a shred of evidence.

 

Then you sit there and accuse the USA of being intolerant to the LGBT community...ok compared to whom? Iran? Russia? China? Last I checked, they have all the same human rights as everyone else (thanks again, US Constitution and Bill of Rights) and it's ILLEGAL to discriminate against them. 

 

 

...but there are some crappy countries in Africa where horrible atrocities occur, and there are some Christians there, so two problems makes a 'who cares' . Blanket statements indeed.

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

 

Just saying.  Commandments from the divine and all

 

My statement about Americans is in direct response to "religion of peace" statements every time this pops up.  If in fact 70.6% of Americans are Christian, and we extrapolate the date, thats 3/4 of a million christians shooting/killing etc.  If there is 1.6 BILLION muslims and they're all of "the religion of peace" than obviously 2.2 BILLION Christians are also guilty of the same crimes when one goes nuts and guns down kids in a school.

 

When people decide they can paint an entire demographic with a brush that wide, eventually they'll realize they constantly draw outside the lines.

 

Again.  They are no different.  

 

What makes it a terrorist attack besides a politically motivated definition?  White, black, christian muslim jew.  Praise allah, god bless me, shalom

 

It is all the same in the end.

 

 

[Lancaster]

Muslim terrorists kills because of their belief in Islam.

Violent Christians are just violent people who happens to be Christian.  As what Bill Mahar says... "No Christians go around blowing people up while saying 'Merry Christmas'..."

 

End results may be the same, but the path there (while stupid) are slightly different. 

[iinatcc]

4 hours ago, Bo053 said:

And how's that? When Islam extremists do this they do it in the name of the religion/Allah. 

 

Name the last time someone went on a shooting spree in the name of Christ.

 

This is pretty recent 

 

LORD'S RESISTANCE ARMY

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/in-konys-shadow-shocking-photographs-reveal-brutality-of-lords-resistance-army-9171514.html

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2012/03/21/qa-joseph-kony-and-lords-resistance-army#3

 

According to former LRA fighters, Kony’sstated goal is to overthrow President Yoweri Museveni of Uganda and create a state based on Kony’s interpretation of the biblical Ten Commandments. 

 

The LRA remains an immediate menace for the people of South Sudan, Congo, and CAR. Since September 2008 the LRA has killed more than 2,600 civilians and abducted more than 4,000 other people, many of them children. More than 400,000 people have been displaced from their homes; very few have any access to humanitarian assistance.

 

ANTI-BALAKA

 

http://www.religionandgeopolitics.org/anti-balaka/what-antibalaka

Some Antibalaka fighters claim to fight for the protection of Central African Christians, but religious leaders have denied such claims. 

 

Three-year-old girl shot in escalating Central African Republic violence

http://www.thejournal.ie/escalating-violence-central-african-republic-3342061-Apr2017/

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

4 hours ago, iinatcc said:

This is pretty recent 

 

LORD'S RESISTANCE ARMY

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/in-konys-shadow-shocking-photographs-reveal-brutality-of-lords-resistance-army-9171514.html

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2012/03/21/qa-joseph-kony-and-lords-resistance-army#3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ANTI-BALAKA

 

http://www.religionandgeopolitics.org/anti-balaka/what-antibalaka

 

 

 

Three-year-old girl shot in escalating Central African Republic violence

http://www.thejournal.ie/escalating-violence-central-african-republic-3342061-Apr2017/

 

 

Should I give you examples of Islam it will be a lot longer that's for sure.

[iinatcc]

5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Should I give you examples of Islam it will be a lot longer that's for sure.

That was not my point the I made was this 

 

"Name the last time someone went on a shooting spree in the name of Christ." 

 

So I provided a few recent examples

 

Also keep in mind many of these incidents (Christian terrorists) is from Africa which, we know, the media tends to ignore. So I am willing to be there's quite a number of conflicts and violent incidents that happen that many don't know about. 

 

[Mustapha]

6 hours ago, Warhippy said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

 

Just saying.  Commandments from the divine and all

 

My statement about Americans is in direct response to "religion of peace" statements every time this pops up.  If in fact 70.6% of Americans are Christian, and we extrapolate the date, thats 3/4 of a million christians shooting/killing etc.  If there is 1.6 BILLION muslims and they're all of "the religion of peace" than obviously 2.2 BILLION Christians are also guilty of the same crimes when one goes nuts and guns down kids in a school.

 

When people decide they can paint an entire demographic with a brush that wide, eventually they'll realize they constantly draw outside the lines.

 

Again.  They are no different.  

 

What makes it a terrorist attack besides a politically motivated definition?  White, black, christian muslim jew.  Praise allah, god bless me, shalom

 

It is all the same in the end.

 

 

I guess it's up to you to prove that all the mass shootings in the USA have a ideologically driven motivation. You made the claim. Again, the facts are not on your side. The list of Islamic terrorist incidents is long. Don't you find it strange that these attacks have increased in Europe over the last decade, you know, as the foreign population grows? I mean, there are still a lot of Christians in Europe, I am sure people there are already used to their own brand of 'Radical Christian terrorism' that you say exists, so how is it any different, right?

 

 

When you dismiss the reasons for violence as 'well it's all the same in the end', you are deliberately being myopic regarding the cultural differences between a Western state and an Islamic one, particularly with regards to human rights. I noticed that you dodged my comparisons between the USA's system of laws and the Middle East. You also glazed over the fact that individual human rights and freedoms are greater in the West than anywhere else on Earth.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

 

You had mentioned that jihad is a 'response to being bombed by the West' (paraphrasing). You do know that extremism is actively being promoted by Saudi Arabia, right? They are an ally of the USA, and a UN member (never been bombed), and yet they funnel money into poorer nations in an attempt to increase the number of radicals. There is an active attempt to increase ideological influence of this Wahhabism across the world, and this will seek to undermine our secular laws in favour of theocratic ones.

 

So the reasons do matter, but the violence is merely step one. Shariah courts are becoming a part of European life, and if you really care about liberalism and freedom, you should really think about how this will affect the lives of our children and grandchildren. I guess if it's not right in your face, you can't fathom it. Not that I blame you, I mean, most of us don't really know what intolerance looks like - we live in the West.

 

 

[Warhippy]

9 minutes ago, Mustapha said:

So the reasons do matter, but the violence is merely step one. Shariah courts are becoming a part of European life, and if you really care about liberalism and freedom, you should really think about how this will affect the lives of our children and grandchildren. I guess if it's not right in your face, you can't fathom it. Not that I blame you, I mean, most of us don't really know what intolerance looks like - we live in the West.

 

 

The fear, the ignorance and the absolute stupidity of this statement frightens me.

 

Normally I agree with much of what you say but then you post this crap.

 

Do you honestly think for a second this is true?  That "shariah law" will come in and displace democratic law and values based here in the west.

 

Be honest

[Ryan Strome]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The fear, the ignorance and the absolute stupidity of this statement frightens me.

 

Normally I agree with much of what you say but then you post this crap.

 

Do you honestly think for a second this is true?  That "shariah law" will come in and displace democratic law and values based here in the west.

 

Be honest

Check out Germany. How about the no go zones in France.

[Mustapha]

17 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The fear, the ignorance and the absolute stupidity of this statement frightens me.

 

Normally I agree with much of what you say but then you post this crap.

 

Do you honestly think for a second this is true?  That "shariah law" will come in and displace democratic law and values based here in the west.

 

Be honest

How is mass immigration any different from European colonialism of previous centuries? 

 

When Europeans became the majority population in North America, they enacted their values, religion and laws. Majority rules. 

 

Birthrates of non-Europeans and their descendants are outpacing those of the native population in Western Europe, do you really think that once they have a large enough voting bloc they WON'T change the laws? Be honest now... 

 

Of course, Western Europe might go bankrupt in the next 20 years due to the massive strain caused by social programs, so that may happen first.

[Toews]

32 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The fear, the ignorance and the absolute stupidity of this statement frightens me.

 

Normally I agree with much of what you say but then you post this crap.

 

Do you honestly think for a second this is true?  That "shariah law" will come in and displace democratic law and values based here in the west.

 

Be honest

He does. Its actually pretty amusing.

[HerrDrFunk]

Are you people really that disingenuous to be using treatment of LGBT people as a reason why Islam = bad, Christianity = good? Because, damn. 

[Warhippy]

37 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Check out Germany. How about the no go zones in France.

Been to chicago lately?

[Warhippy]

18 minutes ago, Mustapha said:

How is mass immigration any different from European colonialism of previous centuries? 

 

When Europeans became the majority population in North America, they enacted their values, religion and laws. Majority rules. 

 

Birthrates of non-Europeans and their descendants are outpacing those of the native population in Western Europe, do you really think that once they have a large enough voting bloc they WON'T change the laws? Be honest now... 

 

Of course, Western Europe might go bankrupt in the next 20 years due to the massive strain caused by social programs, so that may happen first.

Don't give me that colonialism crap.  If you're so afraid of it, lemme spell it out for you as a first nations individual whose entire cultural history was systematically erased by "good christians" 

 

It's called KARMA

 

You're afraid of that?  Why?  Oh for good reason.  need reminders?

 

 

 

If this scares you.  Good.  Living in fear is all you know, then that is on you not us

 

But just a heads up.  I know a very great deal of Muslims, Canadian born and immigrants.  I know a great deal of "good chrsitians" as well

 

Wanna know the difference?

 

I've never seen one of the muslims I've met in my life degrade another human being for looking poor or having an addiction or simply being down on their luck. 

[Bo053]

9 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Don't call me a liberal with your childish bs.  Please.

 

Typical right wing stupidity to do that honestly 

 

So.  If there's 2.2 billion Christians.   I guess an equal amount are also killers by the numbers or hate specific demographics.  70.6 percent of Americans are Christians.  With 30k gun related acts of violence that's 741,000 religious extremists in America alone by your standards

 

Stop pretending they're  different to make yourself feel better about a deep seated prejudice about things you know less about than you do about me.

 

Just REALLY have to know though.  This "phenomenon" of islamic jihad.  How much of that do you think exists because a good god fearing Christian country like America spent 30 years bombing their homes?

 

Just curious.  Because you'd have to be delusional to think they're somehow not tied together.  Just like you'd have to be stupid to not understand they're exactly the same regardless of skin colour or whichever sky fairy they believe in before they kill innocent people 

So all of those were done in the name of Christianity?

Just stop, please.

And yes blame evil white people for bombing them as the reason even though it's a religion that's thousands of years old and has always been violent.