With the increased min. wage in Alberta, how will it affect BC economy?

[189lb enforcers?]

Just now, riffraff said:

Assuming the homeless are fit for work.  With all due respect.

Our culture looks after our invalids. No question there. 

The line between welfare state and crazies isn't much of a step sometimes. 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

4 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

Alt right views drive me crazy some times because of the daydreaming , unrealistic thoughts on inequality out there.

 

A living wage creates consumers that spend and create even more jobs.   Having hundreds   or thousands of homeless in our parks is just creating huge social costs on our economy through emergency wards, police, fire , and social workers.....  

 

My dad taught me young no such thing as a free lunch.     

The problem with the left is every thought is purely a moral thought and not an economic thought, hence why they are unrealistic. 

 

Why stop a $15/hr, 30k/year, why not raise min wage to $150/hr 300k/year? Even more consumer $ to go around..

[kingofsurrey]

22 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Assuming the homeless are fit for work.  With all due respect.

There are huge social costs to having millions of British Columbians ( often that have  kids ) earning  / living at the poverty level.

 

Pay now or pay later.  No free ride for us taxpayers ....

[kingofsurrey]

Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said:

The problem with the left is every thought is purely a moral thought and not an economic thought, hence why they are unrealistic. 

 

Why stop a $15/hr, 30k/year, why not raise min wage to $150/hr 300k/year? Even more consumer $ to go around..

The problem with the right is  personal GREED.   The more they can keep for themselves the  richer they think their lives will be.

Personally, i am happy to pay higher for things / services  if it will allow business's to pay employees a living wage. 

When the people in my community are better off  / fed /  / housed / clothed / safe / properly educated ,    it enriches  my life as well.  

 

Why stop at 11 bucks for a minimum wage....  Why not outlaw minimum wage and have people earning  4-5 dollars per hour and fill up the parks with homeless people.

Stanley Park alone could probably handle 50,000 homeless people tenting in it.

 

 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

The problem with the right is  personal GREED.   The more they can keep for themselves the  richer they think their lives will be.

Personally, i am happy to pay higher for things / services  if it will allow business's to pay employees a living wage. 

When the people in my community are better off  / fed /  / housed / clothed / safe / properly educated ,    it enriches  my life as well.  

 

Why stop at 11 bucks for a minimum wage....  Why not outlaw minimum wage and have people earning  4-5 dollars per hour and fill up the parks with homeless people.

Stanley Park alone could probably handle 50,000 homeless people tenting in it.

 

See what I mean, moral not economic.  If all those people are homeless who's working?  Good lets get ride of min wage.  Competition for jobs and competition for skilled workers is what should determine a value and wage.  If I want someone competent then I need to be willing to pay what their value is worth on the open market.  

 
I often wonder how the left survives in life. I mean it must be hard being so financially incompetent.  But then again, it's no surprise why they vote for the political parties promising hand outs.

 

[riffraff]

10 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

There are huge social costs to having millions of British Columbians ( often that have  kids ) earning  / living at the poverty level.

 

Pay now or pay later.  No free ride for us taxpayers ....

I agree with that.  My point is there are reasons why people are homeless.  It's not because there are no jobs or the jobs don't pay enough.  Just because I hire a homeless person pay him or her $X.xx/hr doesn't mean that person can or will work due to many legitimate reasons.

[VanGnome]

5 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

So have costs for the employers.

I speak for small, fringe business owners, not Walmart, but the point is the same.

 

Socialist views drive me nuts some times because of the daydreaming, unrealistic thoughts on equality out there.

 

You want yours, go get it. Stop mandating others to provide you with a living and get off my coat-tails at the same time. Nanny state, here we come.

 

Alberta might see more refugees who actually want to work. It won't do much at all  for BC because as it stands, folks looking for a dollar raise are wayyy too cozy in their temperate climates and vistas to ever leave here for work anyways. If we vote this in, expect your rent and food to continue to go up. Once you have more money, you can spend more. Round we go - nothing changes for your piggy bank. This is a maxim. 

This is so true. I left BC nearly 8 years ago because I refused to settle for a $&!# fast food job paying 10 bucks an hour just to pay the bills. I huffed it up to Northern Manitoba (800km north of Winnipeg) to work a $&!# IT job for way less than what it was worth given the isolation factors, etc. However, because of that decision I'm in now back in BC making six figures, only to be forced back to Manitoba (with my current job in tow, yay) because it's the only place with a reasonable balance of recreational life and affordable single family dwellings.

Housing prices though have been a problem since 2004, so the better part of 14 years.

[kingofsurrey]

11 minutes ago, VanGnome said:

This is so true. I left BC nearly 8 years ago because I refused to settle for a $&!# fast food job paying 10 bucks an hour just to pay the bills. I huffed it up to Northern Manitoba (800km north of Winnipeg) to work a $&!# IT job for way less than what it was worth given the isolation factors, etc. However, because of that decision I'm in now back in BC making six figures, only to be forced back to Manitoba (with my current job in tow, yay) because it's the only place with a reasonable balance of recreational life and affordable single family dwellings.

Housing prices though have been a problem since 2004, so the better part of 14 years.

Vancouvers low wages and high housing costs are going to be a major problem for the city down the road.

 

I read this summer  over 100 teachers left Vancouver for  greener pastures  ( lower housing costs ).

 

Vancouver school board can't  even fill approximately  70 teaching positions right now...   Who would want to move to Vancouver which has the lowest paid teachers in Canada and the highest living costs...

[VanGnome]

2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Vancouvers low wages and high housing costs are going to be a major problem for the city down the road.

 

I read this summer  over 100 teachers left Vancouver for  greener pastures  ( lower housing costs ).

 

Vancouver school board can't  even fill approximately  70 teaching positions right now...   Who would want to move to Vancouver which has the lowest paid teachers in Canada and the highest living costs...

Not only that, but its going to severely impact the quality of education provided to the students, which is going to manifest in poorer grades overall, and more people settling for crap jobs because the majority won't be able to afford to dream about university or higher skill jobs of which most are going to require degrees in deep machine learning and other advanced computer sciences related subjects.

School boards drawing a hard line with fiduciary responsibilities (keeping costs as low as possible, meaning lower wages), is a high stakes game with future generations hanging in the balance. If I have to choose between owning a home and putting my daughter into any university she decides to go to, vs continually renting and substandard education which could limit her chances of success, the choice is clear.

[chon derry]

@VanGnome  was there some reason why you chose northern Manitoba over northern b.c.?

[VanGnome]

8 minutes ago, chon derry said:

@VanGnome  was there some reason why you chose northern Manitoba over northern b.c.?

It just came down to the opportunities that presented themselves. BC was in an IT downturn at the time, and I had no interest in changing my vocation at 28.

[189lb enforcers?]

3 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

The problem with the right is  personal GREED.   The more they can keep for themselves the  richer they think their lives will be.

Personally, i am happy to pay higher for things / services  if it will allow business's to pay employees a living wage. 

When the people in my community are better off  / fed /  / housed / clothed / safe / properly educated ,    it enriches  my life as well.  

 

Why stop at 11 bucks for a minimum wage....  Why not outlaw minimum wage and have people earning  4-5 dollars per hour and fill up the parks with homeless people.

Stanley Park alone could probably handle 50,000 homeless people tenting in it.

 

 

I am on the Right. I am not greedy. 

Fallacy. 

[189lb enforcers?]

3 hours ago, VanGnome said:

This is so true. I left BC nearly 8 years ago because I refused to settle for a $&!# fast food job paying 10 bucks an hour just to pay the bills. I huffed it up to Northern Manitoba (800km north of Winnipeg) to work a $&!# IT job for way less than what it was worth given the isolation factors, etc. However, because of that decision I'm in now back in BC making six figures, only to be forced back to Manitoba (with my current job in tow, yay) because it's the only place with a reasonable balance of recreational life and affordable single family dwellings.

Housing prices though have been a problem since 2004, so the better part of 14 years.

You and I took the risk and the reward.

Good for you.

It was hard, but we did it. 

[189lb enforcers?]

3 hours ago, VanGnome said:

Not only that, but its going to severely impact the quality of education provided to the students, which is going to manifest in poorer grades overall, and more people settling for crap jobs because the majority won't be able to afford to dream about university or higher skill jobs of which most are going to require degrees in deep machine learning and other advanced computer sciences related subjects.

School boards drawing a hard line with fiduciary responsibilities (keeping costs as low as possible, meaning lower wages), is a high stakes game with future generations hanging in the balance. If I have to choose between owning a home and putting my daughter into any university she decides to go to, vs continually renting and substandard education which could limit her chances of success, the choice is clear.

Hey, way to stand on your own.

Take a bow.

This is a great Canadian, folks! 

[apollo]

21 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

So have costs for the employers.

I speak for small, fringe business owners, not Walmart, but the point is the same.

 

Socialist views drive me nuts some times because of the daydreaming, unrealistic thoughts on equality out there.

 

You want yours, go get it. Stop mandating others to provide you with a living and get off my coat-tails at the same time. Nanny state, here we come.

 

Alberta might see more refugees who actually want to work. It won't do much at all  for BC because as it stands, folks looking for a dollar raise are wayyy too cozy in their temperate climates and vistas to ever leave here for work anyways. If we vote this in, expect your rent and food to continue to go up. Once you have more money, you can spend more. Round we go - nothing changes for your piggy bank. This is a maxim. 

Exactly... for the most part, people making minimum wage are capable to work harder and "get it" to move ahead and make more... but still it's definitely tough to do in a city like Vancouver. An Albertan making min wage is far better off than a Vancouverite I'd say. 

 

I don't see how it will affect rent at all. Rent is going up regardless at the cap rate based on property values. Also I think Vancovuer's rent is actually pretty cheap compared to some other major US cities when you compare the price the home sells for versus what it rents for. It's buying that is completely unaffordable. 

 

 

I have no problem with Minimum wage increasing in BC... I'm not economist but $11.35 isn't that high here. If it goes up, it goes up. Those making minimum wage will spend it and money will go back to the economy anyways. I remember when I was 16, 17, 18 making about $9.50ish an hour. That was brutal but 10 years ago that went a longer way than $11.35/hr does now. 

 

 

 

[Philthy]

Small business get the shaft from all this, which means my prices will sky rocket and lay-offs will happen. 

 

The nature of influx of labour costs and sustaining a stable balance in product to labour management. Also with the a new tax levy from the liberal/federal government its gonna be a tough few years of taxation as if it isn't already.

[Kragar]

Does anyone know how union contracts in Canada might be affected?  Down here, some union contracts are based on the minimum wage, so even those that are making more than minimum wage.  UFCW, which operates in both countries, has this in their contract here (not sure if so in Canada), so it's not just a matter of paying more for a Big Mac... it impacts other restaurants and grocery stores as well.  And UFCW is not the only union that does this.  If government employee and trade unions work similarly, then you will see projects and government services costing more, soaking up additional tax dollars.

[kingofsurrey]

3 hours ago, Kragar said:

Does anyone know how union contracts in Canada might be affected?  Down here, some union contracts are based on the minimum wage, so even those that are making more than minimum wage.  UFCW, which operates in both countries, has this in their contract here (not sure if so in Canada), so it's not just a matter of paying more for a Big Mac... it impacts other restaurants and grocery stores as well.  And UFCW is not the only union that does this.  If government employee and trade unions work similarly, then you will see projects and government services costing more, soaking up additional tax dollars.

Sounds great.

 

People earning a living wage and being able to feed and cloth their kids is a good thing.

[kingofsurrey]

4 hours ago, Boone Jenner said:

Small business get the shaft from all this, which means my prices will sky rocket and lay-offs will happen. 

 

The nature of influx of labour costs and sustaining a stable balance in product to labour management. Also with the a new tax levy from the liberal/federal government its gonna be a tough few years of taxation as if it isn't already.

Yah, its much better in Alabama and Louisiana .   Heh, maybe we even need  to lower our environmental standards to match Mexico.

 

Canada is better than that.  We can afford to pay our workers a minimum wage closer to the the living wage.  Canada is a better society than those too many on the right want to emulate and are so envious towards....

[Kragar]

14 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Sounds great.

 

People earning a living wage and being able to feed and cloth their kids is a good thing.

What about the people that already have a living wage, and get an undeserved raise?

People who depend on minimum wage jobs should not be raising a family in the first place.