BC Hypocrisy with Alberta Explained

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, riffraff said:

 

 

The ones operating in similar conditions to BC hydrological conditions are operating at 100% safety. Seems like English is not your strong suit.

[canuckistani]

Just now, riffraff said:

So I shouldn’t be concerned?

 

 

Yep. Shouldn’t be concerned. Your concern is anti industry fearmongering. 

[riffraff]

Just now, canuckistani said:

The ones operating in similar conditions to BC hydrological conditions are operating at 100% safety. Seems like English is not your strong suit.

Oh you win.

[canuckistani]

Just now, riffraff said:

Oh you win.

I know, because the facts are self evident. World ships oil in similar but worse conditions to Bc coast. Ie colder, stormier, with more fog and with presence of narrow waterways. Zero incidents in such conditions. Ie, 100% success rate. 

[riffraff]

Just now, canuckistani said:

Yep. Shouldn’t be concerned. Your concern is anti industry fearmongering. 

So in an earlier post you said a few eyesores are ok and you could live with that.  So still no concern?  And what is an “eyesore” in you opinion?  Is that a scientific term I should know?  I’m sure you have it quantified.

[canuckistani]

2 minutes ago, riffraff said:

So in an earlier post you said a few eyesores are ok and you could live with that.  So still no concern?  And what is an “eyesore” in you opinion?  Is that a scientific term I should know?  I’m sure you have it quantified.

Yep. Okay with that. Eyesores = industrial buildings with noise pollution and belching waste products. Iron mills, concrete factories, coking stations, etc. I want industry here, with jobs, not manicured lawns for the worlds richest to play in while the locals get pushed out due to anti industry stance of Vancouver. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by canuckistani

[riffraff]

2 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

I know, because the facts are self evident. World ships oil in similar but worse conditions to Bc coast. Ie colder, stormier, with more fog and with presence of narrow waterways. Zero incidents in such conditions. Ie, 100% success rate. 

Are these waters safer or less safe than B.C. waters?

 

INFOCUS 

An Oil Spill Fouls the California Coastline

A pipeline burst yesterday, spilling an estimated 21,000 gallons (79,500 liters)of crude oil into the Pacific Ocean near Santa Barbara.

ALAN TAYLOR

MAY 20, 2015 

 

An oil pipeline burst yesterday, spilling an estimated 21,000 gallons (79,500 liters) of crude oil into the Pacific Ocean near Santa Barbara, California. The oil slick spread at least four miles along Refugio State Beach by sunset, as emergency response and cleanup crews converged on the scene. The pipeline was secured hours after the discovery of the spill, according to the U.S. Coast Guard.

 

1. An oil slick spreads along the coast of Refugio State Beach in Goleta, California, after an oil pipeline ruptured on May 19, 2015.

Lucy Nicholson / Reuters

 

2. An oil refinery is seen near an oil slick along the coast of Refugio State Beach in Goleta, California on May 19, 2015.

Lucy Nicholson / Reuters

 

3. Workers clean up an oil leak that caused a slick in the Pacific Ocean along the coast of Refugio State Beach on May 19, 2015.

[canuckistani]

Just now, riffraff said:

Are these waters safer or less safe than B.C. waters?

A minor spill with negligible ecological impact is yet again fearmongering. Shifting goalposts from oil shipping to pipeline maintenance. What else to expect from scientific morons who are eco fundamentalists and anti industry tools of the real estate business. 

 

[Ryan Strome]

39 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Quebec citizens like almost 50 % of BC'ers care about their beautiful natural environments of their province and also about global warming.

 

We don't want to see our Beautiful BC turn into the environmental waste land that Alberta is becoming....

 

Alberta will be bankrupt down the road trying to restore their province from Oil industry damages

Do you ever wonder why no one on cdc takes you serious? If you do look at the bolded. BC ships more coal than anyone in North America and cuts down more trees than anyone in North America. Let's not forget how much BC pollutes the ocean. Sure you have taxes galore but your emmisions keep going up. If Alberta goes bankrupt Canada is in big trouble, even your boy JT of all people admitted how much Alberta does and has done for Canada. Here's a hint way more than any other province has...way, way more.

[riffraff]

1 minute ago, canuckistani said:

A minor spill with negligible ecological impact is yet again fearmongering. Shifting goalposts from oil shipping to pipeline maintenance. What else to expect from scientific morons who are eco fundamentalists and anti industry tools of the real estate business. 

 

Oh look!

 

numerous ways and and locations to have no concern.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

[canuckistani]

3 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Oh look!

 

numerous ways and and locations to have no concern.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

Yep. Pointing out how an industry isn’t 100% safe is fearmongering against that industry. Nothing more. Facts have not changed. Facts are oil shipping is one of the safest industry and oil shipping in similar waters to bc is operating at 100% safety since the said technological leaps. Pointing out how oil industry isn’t 100% safe is not a valid argument, since nobody said it is, not is an industry legslly required to be 100% safe to operate. 

 

Ponting out minor spills of negligible ecological consequence is irrelevant to the discussion and fearmongering by definition.

Edited July 6, 2019 by canuckistani

[riffraff]

1 minute ago, canuckistani said:

Yep. Pointing out how an industry isn’t 100% safe is fearmongering against that industry. Nothing more. Facts have not changed. Facts are oil shipping is one of the safest industry and oil shipping in similar waters to bc is operating at 100% safety since the said technological leaps. Pointing out how oil industry isn’t 100% safe is not a valid argument, since nobody said it is, not is an industry legslly required to be 100% safe to operate. 

 

Ponting out minor spills of negligible ecological consequence is irrelevant to the discussion and fearmongering by definition.

I’m not saying no industry. Or no oil.  Please show me what posts I have said that.

 

im saying that I feel there is reason for concern.  And right on cue as soon as someone expresses concern out comes the name calling like fear monger, moron and nimby.

 

meh.  Whatever.  I’m going to the beach.

 

 

[kingofsurrey]

11 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Do you ever wonder why no one on cdc takes you serious? If you do look at the bolded. BC ships more coal than anyone in North America and cuts down more trees than anyone in North America. Let's not forget how much BC pollutes the ocean. Sure you have taxes galore but your emmisions keep going up. If Alberta goes bankrupt Canada is in big trouble, even your boy JT of all people admitted how much Alberta does and has done for Canada. Here's a hint way more than any other province has...way, way more.

People like you that participate in a boom and bust economy typically do not acknowledge the long term damage the oil industry is doing to your natural environment.

The clean up costs will bankrupt Alberta.    Oil workers profit greatly from the industry so of course they discount the long term costs.

 

   Heh, as long as you get a new F 350 every 2nd year its all good, right ?

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, riffraff said:

I’m not saying no industry. Or no oil.  Please show me what posts I have said that.

 

im saying that I feel there is reason for concern.  And right on cue as soon as someone expresses concern out comes the name calling like fear monger, moron and nimby.

 

meh.  Whatever.  I’m going to the beach.

 

 

There is no reason for concern over an industry that is one of the safest known to mankind in terms of viability of operations. Yes, your concern is valid if taken from continuous improvement perspective, its invalid when taken from operational viability regarding safety perspective. Your arguments are identical to those against nuclear power. 

[canuckistani]

2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

People like you that participate in a boom and bust economy typically do not acknowledge the long term damage the oil industry is doing to your natural environment.

The clean up costs will bankrupt Alberta.    Oil workers profit greatly from the industry so of course they discount the long term costs.

 

   Heh, as long as you get a new F 350 every 2nd year its all good, right ?

There is no cleanup to worry about in real value terms. 

[sam13371337]

this smug selfish attitude we see among some leftist BC folks is the reason why people are soo divided. 

 

everyone just wants to look after their own personal interests at the expense of others. 

 

its really easy to sit in BC, all comfortable and mighty and lecture people whos entire livelihood, life and self  worth depends on a certain industry.  IMagine a infuriating it is to get lectured from a smug BC or Ontario urban dweller lecturing people who are losing everything to think about trees and the polar bears. 

 

alberta is literally giving away its oil at prices of 10-20$ a barrel because its fellow "Canadian" provinces blockade it for their own (mostly) political intersts. this not only goes against the constitution of Canada.  but it creates unbelievable resentment and division.  

 

ALberta and Saskatchewan would be far better off seceding from Canada and joining the US.   let Quebec go their own way and BC and Ontario and maybe a few atlantic provinces can have their own version of virtue signalling, holier than thou Canada. and lecture each other till the next century. 

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, sam13371337 said:

this smug selfish attitude we see among some leftist BC folks is the reason why people are soo divided. 

 

everyone just wants to look after their own personal interests at the expense of others. 

 

its really easy to sit in BC, all comfortable and mighty and lecture people whos entire livelihood, life and self  worth depends on a certain industry.  IMagine a infuriating it is to get lectured from a smug BC or Ontario urban dweller lecturing people who are losing everything to think about trees and the polar bears. 

 

alberta is literally giving away its oil at prices of 10-20$ a barrel because its fellow "Canadian" provinces blockade it for their own (mostly) political intersts. this not only goes against the constitution of Canada.  but it creates unbelievable resentment and division.  

 

ALberta and Saskatchewan would be far better off seceding from Canada and joining the US.   let Quebec go their own way and BC and Ontario and maybe a few atlantic provinces can have their own version of virtue signalling, holier than thou Canada. and lecture each other till the next century. 

An easier answer that’d require political balls to do, would be to crush Provincialism into dust and strengthen centralization of Canada.

[sam13371337]

30 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

An easier answer that’d require political balls to do, would be to crush Provincialism into dust and strengthen centralization of Canada.

 

there are already grounds for this in the constitution.  inter-provincial projects like the transcontinental railway that basically made Canada  a united country.   imagine if it were todays politics and some smug politician wanted to block it for his personal political interests?   there would be no Canada today (at least not in its current form)

 

its just a matter of having a proper leader who does his job. not a pandering clown who tries to perform gymnastics to satisfy every side (while pissing off everyone)

 

whats the point of having new laws when the current ones are being ignored?  

 

Alberta's economy has been in shambles for a few years now as a result of this.  in terms of connectivity, culture and now economy.  Alberta and Saskatchewan are a lot more aligned to the US then they are to Canada.  I seriously believe another term of truduea and this insane separatist sentiment will start translating to a serious political movement. 

 

besides handing out equalization payments to the east,  and getting their economy delibaritly sabotaged. alberta and Saskatchewan are getting nothing in terms of benefits from this one sided union.

[BPA]

2 hours ago, canuckistani said:

Yep. Shouldn’t be concerned. Your concern is anti industry fearmongering. 

So if we shouldn't be concerned then my proposal should be a win for everyone.   BC gets 0% revenue from the pipeline.  In turn, AB and Canada picks up the clean up tab for any oil spills (land and ocean) and lost revenue (ie. Tourism) due to the clean up. 

[Ryan Strome]

2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

People like you that participate in a boom and bust economy typically do not acknowledge the long term damage the oil industry is doing to your natural environment.

The clean up costs will bankrupt Alberta.    Oil workers profit greatly from the industry so of course they discount the long term costs.

 

   Heh, as long as you get a new F 350 every 2nd year its all good, right ?

This time it was every year...I just traded off my 18 silverado for a 19 Ford. Bloody @Violator teased me  for buying a silverado so I copied him and got a ford. 94.9 this morning for fuel what are you paying?

Edited July 6, 2019 by Ryan Strome