Popular Post JM_ Posted July 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 dog whistle reference (Suzuki)? check false analogy? check. impotent anger? check. this one's got all 3 of the biggies for an article out of Calgary about BC. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, riffraff said: Also comes in bitumen black. Ahh yes the fear tactics based on no scientific proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: dog whistle reference (Suzuki)? check false analogy? check. impotent anger? check. this one's got all 3 of the biggies for an article out of Calgary about BC. Lol quick question, what does the bolded mean? I'm concerned I may have this problem in 30 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said: Ahh yes the fear tactics based on no scientific proof. So spills never happen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 8 hours ago, naslund.is.king said: I hope People in your beautiful province are realizing how much the small guy is hurting in the prairies. I guess about as much as the prairie folks would care about a fisherman or little guy in tourism losing his or her job. This isn't about pitting the working people in each province against each other, or coal hypocrisy. Its been about safety for the majority of BC residents for a long time. Get the safety right and most people are fine with it, but the Calgary intelligentsia never want to talk about marine safety. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, riffraff said: So spills never happen. Certainly they do, but you suggested that beautiful pic comes in bitumen black, any evidence of that? I understand your concerns but honestly the expansion will only add a couple more tankers, will be very safe and add more money to the federal piggy bank and jt has said every dollar will be invested back into green energy and technology, tbh that may be very helpful to a tradesman like yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said: Lol quick question, what does the bolded mean? I'm concerned I may have this problem in 30 years. theres just way too much anger directed at things Alberta has no direct control over or are just myths. Its kind of sad if it wasn't so dangerous to people's psyches there. I think you'll agree a lot of people are way to angry there. This whole 'BCs a pile of hypocrites cuz coal' thing is a perfect example. Is that supposed to win hearts and minds in BC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, Ryan Strome said: I understand your concerns but honestly the expansion will only add a couple more tankers, will be very safe and add more money to the federal piggy bank and jt has said every dollar will be invested back into green energy and technology, tbh that may be very helpful to a tradesman like yourself. you realize thats what Trudeau says nearly word for word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Oh, awesome, more pro oil threads. We need more of these 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Not the point of this article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: theres just way too much anger directed at things Alberta has no direct control over or are just myths. Its kind of sad if it wasn't so dangerous to people's psyches there. I think you'll agree a lot of people are way to angry there. This whole 'BCs a pile of hypocrites cuz coal' thing is a perfect example. Is that supposed to win hearts and minds in BC Oic...well nevermind what I said earlier. 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: you realize thats what Trudeau says nearly word for word Yup I do thats why I pointed out jt said it. Are you saying u think I should vote jt? 1 minute ago, Twilight Sparkle said: Oh, awesome, more pro oil threads. We need more of these Totally agree, we do need more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Yup I do thats why I pointed out jt said it. Are you saying u think I should vote jt? if you really cared about pipelines you would 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: if you really cared about pipelines you would Haha but I want them built a little quicker. I really hope this sale goes through will be a perfect partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Certainly they do, but you suggested that beautiful pic comes in bitumen black, any evidence of that? I understand your concerns but honestly the expansion will only add a couple more tankers, will be very safe and add more money to the federal piggy bank and jt has said every dollar will be invested back into green energy and technology, tbh that may be very helpful to a tradesman like yourself. I’ll confess I’ve become a fence rider from one that was staunchly opposed. but that pic is actually from my walk yesterday. That is my back yard. There are families from all over the world, and local ones, camping on those beaches. In the trails walking and exploring. There are homes nearby where people are growing food using the land, the water. And that hat can be gone forever. This is what people from outside of this province don’t grasp. It hasn’t been part of their life since day one. the Alberta plates show up to visit, snap a few pics and are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Haha but I want them built a little quicker. I really hope this sale goes through will be a perfect partnership. I can't think of a better outcome tbh. I didn't want it government owned in the 1st place but if a first nations group ends up with it thats so good for so many reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Certainly they do, but you suggested that beautiful pic comes in bitumen black, any evidence of that? I understand your concerns but honestly the expansion will only add a couple more tankers, will be very safe and add more money to the federal piggy bank and jt has said every dollar will be invested back into green energy and technology, tbh that may be very helpful to a tradesman like yourself. Agree. no doubt the housing boom in Saskatoon I benefited from years back is related to Alberta oil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 47 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: dog whistle reference (Suzuki)? check false analogy? check. impotent anger? check. this one's got all 3 of the biggies for an article out of Calgary about BC. Yeah, I figured an opinion piece in a Calgary paper was a good source to get to the bottom of this debate /s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Got a kick out of India complaining about the coal they are buying from BC. If they don't want it shipped out of BC, there's a simple solution. Don'y buy it from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Is it all about a hypothetical spill? I keep hearing how it is about climate change (that is what Vancouver City wants to claim) or more ships and the Orca. The article is about the climate hypocrisy more than a spill between carbon products. No it is not about a hypothetical spill. It is pointing out the similarity of the issues. Alberta wants X, Y and Z. BC Wants proper compensation plus assurances of spill clean up and mitigation. As laws in Canada are written, once a tanker is out of the bay there is almost no way to recoup costs if a spill happens. especially if said tanker is Chinese thanks to the china Canada trade agreement with its ridiculous FIPA I am unsure how or why the least side of the rockies here in the west cannot seem to understand that BC wants the same thing they do but at no point in time did Alberta simply try to work with BC. When this all started it was Stelmach/Redford and the former federal government saying too bad, suck it it's happening and that attitude hasn't changed much 3 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Pretty much only you, Trump and BC support coal extraction. Btw it's the Canadian west coast not BCs. As far as tmx expansion goes you were all over the map...go read the thread. 1. Where did I say I am pro coal extraction? Show me. I guess I'll wait for as long as I have for you to prove the economy is completely in tatters 2. If it's Canada's west coast than it's also BC's oil, Quebecs Transfer payments. So stop whining. See how that works 3. As far as TMX goes I have always had the exact same arguments. BC takes all the risks, gets none of the reward. There was/is no real assurance of assistance on clean up. I am for the expansion because it is the safest possible route. Slamming that many extra tankers through that small area is stupid. We'd be better building an offshore port or LOOP system or pushing it up to Price Rupert. I've never had a different argument But do go on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: No it is not about a hypothetical spill. It is pointing out the similarity of the issues. Alberta wants X, Y and Z. BC Wants proper compensation plus assurances of spill clean up and mitigation. As laws in Canada are written, once a tanker is out of the bay there is almost no way to recoup costs if a spill happens. especially if said tanker is Chinese thanks to the china Canada trade agreement with its ridiculous FIPA I am unsure how or why the least side of the rockies here in the west cannot seem to understand that BC wants the same thing they do but at no point in time did Alberta simply try to work with BC. When this all started it was Stelmach/Redford and the former federal government saying too bad, suck it it's happening and that attitude hasn't changed much 1. Where did I say I am pro coal extraction? Show me. I guess I'll wait for as long as I have for you to prove the economy is completely in tatters 2. If it's Canada's west coast than it's also BC's oil, Quebecs Transfer payments. So stop whining. See how that works 3. As far as TMX goes I have always had the exact same arguments. BC takes all the risks, gets none of the reward. There was/is no real assurance of assistance on clean up. I am for the expansion because it is the safest possible route. Slamming that many extra tankers through that small area is stupid. We'd be better building an offshore port or LOOP system or pushing it up to Price Rupert. I've never had a different argument But do go on Lol that doesn't even make sense. A terrible comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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