The DumbBrexit / #Wexit thread

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

 

 

you guys are under the impression that Alberta is going to have more money, and a private system is gong to appeal to them. They'll make as much as they want in any province, no need to stay in private whatsoever. 

Doctors, nurses, and medical workers (of quality; the best in their fields) will leave all parts of Canada to go to Alberta (kind of like staying home even though a new country) and make way more money.  There will be more money available because the communist socialists won’t be stealing it to pay fir their bloated government (uselessness dies nothing to benefit those needing care) bureaucracy.  

[JM_]

Just now, Alflives said:

Doctors, nurses, and medical workers (of quality; the best in their fields) will leave all parts of Canada to go to Alberta (kind of like staying home even though a new country) and make way more money.  There will be more money available because the communist socialists won’t be stealing it to pay fir their bloated government (uselessness dies nothing to benefit those needing care) bureaucracy.  

nah, they won't. I know a radiologist who makes $700,000 per year in Edmonton. How much more do you think New Albertastan is going to pay her? Alberta can barely keep up now as it is. This dream that Alberta is going to be flush with cash is ridiculous. 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

nah, they won't. I know a radiologist who makes $700,000 per year in Edmonton. How much more do you think New Albertastan is going to pay her? Alberta can barely keep up now as it is. This dream that Alberta is going to be flush with cash is ridiculous. 

That radiologist is way overpaid.  That’s the issue with a communist system.  Money is spent in the wrong areas.  

[JM_]

Just now, Alflives said:

That radiologist is way overpaid.  That’s the issue with a communist system.  Money is spent in the wrong areas.  

yeah OK. She's responsible for determining if children have tumours or not, but sure she's "overpaid". Come on Alf. These people are highly skilled and have responsibilities most of us never will. They get paid no matter where they are, except maybe Cuba. 

[Alflives]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

yeah OK. She's responsible for determining if children have tumours or not, but sure she's "overpaid". Come on Alf. These people are highly skilled and have responsibilities most of us never will. They get paid no matter where they are, except maybe Cuba. 

700 k a year is way too much for reading imaging.  That’s not happening in a private system.  The money goes to patient care.  The front line doctors, nurses, and care aids get paid.  Reading imaging is soon gonzo.  Computers will do that, and do it better.  A private system would get the program, and save money for patient care.  If they didn’t, they’d be out of business. 

[JM_]

34 minutes ago, Alflives said:

700 k a year is way too much for reading imaging.  That’s not happening in a private system.  The money goes to patient care.  The front line doctors, nurses, and care aids get paid.  Reading imaging is soon gonzo.  Computers will do that, and do it better.  A private system would get the program, and save money for patient care.  If they didn’t, they’d be out of business. 

oh Alf, yes it does and more. This is the kind of person who does things like inject imaging dye into people during surgeries, if she screws up you die. These folks make even more in the US - which is who Alberta would be competing with btw to keep these folks. 

 

And thats just one of many critical specialties. There are people working in the ICU that need 8-10 years of training, AFTER getting their initial MDs. The number of people critical to your health is unknown to most people.

 

The US is as private as it gets, and they pay these folks more than we do. Alberta will not be better off financially in regard to paying people like this. 

 

There's just no way New AB can sustain messing around with these people.

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[Warhippy]

5 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

I know you hate everything the UPC does no matter what.

Incorrect.  I hate how they're talking out of both sides of their mouths, while offloading their ridiculous tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations.  You cannot argue that while spending should be decreased, they are doing it on the backs of the population via increased fees, taxes and lower service as well as the slashing of social programs.  This also in the face of nifty spending such as the war room, Flames games and of course private trips on the tax payers dollar.

 

5 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

You can’t keep dumping money into maintaining sites (some of which require helicopter access) that see less than 100 people per year. In 2018, Sulphur lake only had 36 people,  Smoke River only saw 22 people, Crow lake only saw 81 people, the list goes on and on.  So regardless of the war room money or not, these were not wise ways to spend money would you not agree?  It’s an easy way to spin the narrative and shout at the current political party in power but there’s a lot of cry about nothing.

Devils advocate.  Ok I'll bite.  You're right.

 

You cannot dump taxpayers money in to losing ventures any more than you can demand the taxpayer shoulder the burden of failed fiscal policies.  But, you cannot suggest in any seriousness that private enterprise will willingly engage in money losing ventures anymore than one could suggest that oil companies would willingly dump money in to projects that cannot turn profits without a sustained $25 increase in prices.  A wiser move would have been to return said parks to crown land or shutter them indefinitely.

 

5 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Many of these sites have seen a consistent decline in attendance, they are run down and in need of some long term investment.  The type of investment that without a strategic and individual focus will not see a ROI.  So they are “leasing” out these parks, they are not selling off land but entering a leasing partnership that will allow a nonprofit, municipality or aboriginals and run and maintain.  I imaging more of the partnerships will be made with municipalities as they have the most to gain.  This has been happening for last 20 years in a number of different provincial parks.  This saves them 5 million in the budget and gives some parks a bit hope of revival.

See above.  I do not think any money losing venture will go to private hands without some assurance of profit.  This could include events and activities in former park land that is otherwise prohibited.  There's always fine print and we both know this.

 

5 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

As far as the tourism goes.  You might want to clarify your understanding on the matter.  Alberta isn’t doubling its investment to 20 billion over the next decade like you stated, they aren’t even doubling their investment.  They are just hoping to double provincial tourism REVENUE to 20 billion by 2030.

You're correct and that is my mistake.  The initial story I read had very strange wording that made it sound as though they wanted to increase the tourism budget.  I've since read in to this and numerous experts find it audacious in the extreme that a doubling is possible without completely overwhelming Bannf/Jasper and Waterton areas.  Or the most visited areas of the province.  This is apparently an announced plan that has occurred on the backs of cuts and pulled funding for programs and events such as the 3 year X games and the actual provincial tourism offices and budgets.

 

So.  While you make solid points and you're correct in that I was wrong about the stated goal of $20 billion; there's cuts occurring that are unnecessary and are occurring on the backs of the tax payers and at the loss of services and funding that could be deemed important.  Such as special training for fire depts

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Those who work and have good employment will have private insurance shared with their employers, just like in the States.  They will get the best of care.  The lazy losers, who do nothing but suck the life out of our system, will get nothing.  The doctors will get paid more (because there will be way less bloated government bureaucracy eating up the dollars) so they will happily stay.  The rest of ?Canada’s will lose our best doctors to Alberta.  

No more socialist/communist crap in Canada.    

Alternatively you can GTFO of Canada every time you need to see a doctor and go see that vaunted private system America has instead of using our socialist communist crap.  Please do tell us how Mrs. Alf will fare once you're both completely utterly destitute having to pay for private care.

 

Your schtick has gotten so old.  You really should just drop and and stop pretending to be something you're not.

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

In a truly private and competitive system the best will come and make the most.  The hard working people will benefit from better care.  It’s a win - win.  Communism doesn’t work.  

Make up your mind.

 

Is Canada communist.  Or socialist.

 

Really interested to hear your answer

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

That radiologist is way overpaid.  That’s the issue with a communist system.  Money is spent in the wrong areas.  

Oh?  Way overpaid you say?  Do tell me, the difference in pay in the US vs the quoted Canadians expert is less than $90,000 after exchange is taken in to consideration.  In your vaunted non communist socialist marxist grocery bagging loser sucking system that you laud so much in America, is this radiologist overpaid?

 

Of course keeping in mind that was 4 years ago and without question that number has gone up.  Also factoring in the cheaper cost of living in general in the US I'd say that's almost $700k added up.  But then, the average US radiologist in fact makes far more than the average Canadian radiologist by the numbers....but meh.  Communist socialism am I right?

 

So.....are we going to pick and choose which is overpaid and which isn't?  or are we going to see you not using our loser health care system for you and Mrs. Alf?  Or not using your loser subsidized communist socialist paid scooters?

 

Really curious.  I enjoy seeing the real Alf.  He's at least honest

 

Canadian numbers

https://ca.indeed.com/salaries/radiologist-Salaries

 

The average Radiologist salary in Canada is $160,597 per year or $82.36 per hour. Entry level positions start at $20,000 per year while most experienced workers makeup to $273,015 per year.

 

US Numbers

https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/us-radiologist-salary-SRCH_IL.0,2_IN1_KO3,14.htm

 

Industry. The annual median pay for an entry-level radiologist was $206,920, or $99.48 per hour, as reported by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics in May 2016. Experienced radiologists may make as much as $470,000 USD

Edited March 6, 2020 by Warhippy

[JM_]

6 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Oh?  Way overpaid you say?  Do tell me, the difference in pay in the US vs the quoted Canadians expert is less than $90,000 after exchange is taken in to consideration.  In your vaunted non communist socialist marxist grocery bagging loser sucking system that you laud so much in America, is this radiologist overpaid?

 

https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/us-radiologist-salary-SRCH_IL.0,2_IN1_KO3,14.htm

 

Industry. The annual median pay for an entry-level radiologist was $206,920, or $99.48 per hour, as reported by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics in May 2016. Experienced radiologists may make as much as $470,000 USD

add a second paediatric speciality on top of that and you get 700k.

 

I really think people have no idea what a thin line of experts are working on our heath behind the scenes. There's literally a handful of specialists in Canada capable of putting in a paediatric heart valve, e.g.. I'm pretty sure Alberta has 1 of them.

 

Whats the #wexiteer  plan to replace him? 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[Ryan Strome]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

add a second paediatric speciality on top of that and you get 700k.

 

I really think people have no idea what a thin line of experts are working on our heath behind the scenes. There's literally a handful of specialists in Canada capable of putting in a paediatric heart valve, e.g.. I'm pretty sure Alberta has 1 of them.

 

Whats the #wexiteer  plan to replace him? 

Retain him, bring one in from US, Europe or somewhere else in Canada. 

[Ryan Strome]

9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

add a second paediatric speciality on top of that and you get 700k.

 

I really think people have no idea what a thin line of experts are working on our heath behind the scenes. There's literally a handful of specialists in Canada capable of putting in a paediatric heart valve, e.g.. I'm pretty sure Alberta has 1 of them.

 

Whats the #wexiteer  plan to replace him? 

Actually as usual we have the best and brightest. 

 

Cardiac specialists in Calgary have come up with a new procedure to repair leaky heart valves that is far less invasive than traditional methods.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

add a second paediatric speciality on top of that and you get 700k.

 

I really think people have no idea what a thin line of experts are working on our heath behind the scenes. There's literally a handful of specialists in Canada capable of putting in a paediatric heart valve, e.g.. I'm pretty sure Alberta has 1 of them.

 

Whats the #wexiteer  plan to replace him? 

Sorry, I was adding on to that comment when you quoted it.  There's more.  In fact the average radiologist makes far less than their American counterpart.  There is no plan to replace him except of course two tiered health care.  What does that mean?  Why; just look at taxpayer subsidized private schooling.  Money lost for public schools now going to private schools.  The result is better schooling for private students; but neighbouring public schools see their numbers drop both in enrolment and funding due to grades and funding.

Effectively what will happen is people will leave.  Doctors will of course go to Alberta for most money.  But that initial swarm will lead to ever escalating prices, new clinics and a massive loss of actual health care practitioners in the public sector who will have left being faced with lower wages at public hospitals and no options for employment at private facilities.  People will be left without care and will flood BC and Alberta for treatment in public hospitals.

 

But then whatever, loser socialist communist system.  Bunch of Mao loving Stalinist Canadians

[Warhippy]

4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Actually as usual we have the best and brightest. 

 

Cardiac specialists in Calgary have come up with a new procedure to repair leaky heart valves that is far less invasive than traditional methods.

But, will that continue if funding is cut and dr's feel as though they are being forced out of Alberta? 

[Warhippy]

8 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Retain him, bring one in from US, Europe or somewhere else in Canada. 

OK how though?  Retain him is the only option

 

Asking others to come from Europe or other provinces without wage, employment or job guarantees will be almost impossible when almost every other province in canada offers those perks

[JM_]

20 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Retain him, bring one in from US, Europe or somewhere else in Canada. 

well, that sound cheap. 

[Ryan Strome]

15 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

But, will that continue if funding is cut and dr's feel as though they are being forced out of Alberta? 

Geez cuts coming, doctors sign letters, make threats, where have I seen this before? Oh ya, BC, Ontario and every other province. 

 

And if we can't keep them we will use the Pence strategy.

[Ryan Strome]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

well, that sound cheap. 

We will target ones from Eastern Europe. 

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

We will target ones from Eastern Europe. 

hey, wait a minute, my family is from Eastern Europe 

 

If you get your #wexit wish, I sure hope for you and your families sake someone else - other than Kenney - is working on the healthcare plan. 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Jimmy McGill