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    (Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller

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    1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

    Management made an assumption that we were going to be entering our window of contending for not just the playoffs, but also for the Cup, so the signing of Miller to that extension was a reflection of the expected need of a player of his calibre for the window that we were expecting to see open this season (and continuing on for a number of seasons while he was still expected to be in his prime).

     

    Instead, we came out of the gate playing only marginally better than a freshly laid dog turd (and the dog turd probably had better consistency), so his new contract is now a poor fit for the expected timeline of our window of contention, since we need to "re-tool" by tearing out the excess/ill-fitting pieces and finding ones that better fit our timeline.  Much like how a poster here has indicated how Myers is an ok D-man, just an ill-fitting one for our team, this contract for Miller is a good contract, but no longer meets the needs based on our expected timeline, since when we're ready to contend, he'll almost certainly be on the downslope of his production and his contract at that point (years from now) will turn into an anchor that we'd most likely need to pay to be rid of.

     

    So yes, there's still value in his extension now, and especially for a team that needs the kind of services he can provide while still in his prime who are entering their window of contention for the Cup, and consequently one would expect the return to be much better now than in a few years (and especially much better now at the TDL than during the offseason).

    I am in complete agreement with how Miller's extension does not fit the needs of our team now and will likely hamper the team's future cap-wise. There is absolutely zero pushback from me on that notion.

     

    All I am debating is the way his contract is perceived in trade negotiations by some people here. I don't think we should automatically assume trading Miller would require us to also add on other assets to "get rid" of his contract. He's an asset that should bring in future assets for the Canucks. 

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    (Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller

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    Just now, R3aL said:

    I don’t think it’s that steep considering what guys have been signing for and he’s basically a top 20 singer in the league that can cover C in a pinch and is a PWF / power play stud.

     

    it’s his age and term I think that’s the biggest problem.

     

    but unfortunately if we retain it has to be even across the current contract and extension I thought we could retain on the contract ending this year so I think that’s what complicates things the most 

     

    looks like Pittsburg is a serious option though rn if he does get moved

    I agree, but isn't the term also what Miller would've fetched on the open market? NYI's contract for Horvat is more rich for more years, and this was signed when NYI had exclusive negotiating rights - not on the open market. 

     

    The way I see it - in a world where Allvin didn't sign Miller to an extension, he was either going to get acquired as a rental or by a team that wanted him long term. 

     

    I will certainly admit signing him in the summer was short-sighted and has ultimately narrowed down the amount of teams that are interested in him now, but for those teams that were always interested in having Miller for the long-run...the Canucks basically did the contract negotiating work for whoever potentially ends up acquiring Miller. 

     

    TL;DR - if Miller ultimately gets acquired, you could kind of see the trade as a long-winded sign & trade...

    [Trade] Predators trade Tanner Jeannot to Lightning for Cal Foote, 2025 1st-round pick, 2024 2nd-round pick, 2023 3rd-round pick, 2023 4th-round pick, 2023 5th-round pick

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    Just now, DeNiro said:

    In the end Tampa doesn’t care about late 3rds, 4ths, and 5ths. Those picks will more than likely equal nothing.

     

    A 1st and a 2nd is a lot to pay for Jeannot, but it’s not that crazy when you look at what teams have paid for role players and tough guys in the past.

    I wouldn't take it that far.

     

    It's true late picks like that aren't of priority for a top-tier team like Tampa, but they've gotten to this point because they've struck gold with their late picks. Point, Palat, Cirelli, etc...

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    [3-Way Trade] Bruins acquire Dmitry Orlov, Garnet Hathaway, Andrei Svetlakov; Capitals acquire Craig Smith, 2023 1st-round pick, 2024 3rd-round pick, 2025 2nd-round pick; Wild acquire 2023 5th-round pick

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    1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

     

    I wonder if Minnesota has the first-mover advantage of this. Seems like they were the first to think outside of the box and now all of the bottom feeder teams have caught whiff and are piling on.

     

    Is the influx of teams willing to take on cap retention as a third party broker creating more competition such that the return will be comparatively less than what Minnesota's been able to get for their past two deals? 

    [PGT] New Jersey Devils at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 01, 2022

    in Canucks Talk

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    17 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

    lol we are easily approahing a full deade of struggles.. at least they rebuild thru the entirety of it and have boat load of prospect to boost.. mean while the canucks? haven't even started the rebuild.. by the time we actually go into a rebuild and finally finish a rebuild? we'll easily be worse than any of the buffalo new jersey edmonton rebuild.. we haven't even started and we already approaching a decade

    All I'm saying is that rebuilds almost never happen "properly." So get ready for that.

     

    But at the same time, c'mon, Edmonton was pretty bad - we should not give any credit to their rebuild. They had multiple 1st overall picks and weren't able to make any meaningful improvement until they drafted McJesus. New Jersey's hasn't been bad but still took almost a decade, and Buffalo's was terrible as well - has everyone already forgotten how 5 different men went through their head coaching carousel? But I guess now they finally have a solid pool of young players to show for it. 

     

    The only "proper" rebuild I can recently recall is what the Avalanche went through. 

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    [PGT] New Jersey Devils at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 01, 2022

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    33 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

    The irony is we've been getting a beating by teams who have gone through proper rebuilds - Edmonton, New Jersey and Buffalo. They have shown us what it takes to become a power house out of nothing first-hand.

     

    We never looked in those games, their high end skill trumped us all game long, and they were only for a few seasons.

     

    Ownership clearly don't want a rebuild but I think it would be quite fun - we'd be looking for little victories here and there and the odd win would be explosive, as long as we have a long term plan. Even a crash 3-year rebuild would get us so many good young players on high picks.

    Not that the Canucks have been anything remotely close to spectacular over the past 8 years, but you all do realize that these "properly rebuilt" teams have gone through at least a full decade of struggles and angst, right? It's not even as close to as bad as what the Canucks have been. 

     

    The Sabres and Oilers were laughing stocks of the league for a very long time - not to mention, it was only when a few very high draft picks (e.g. McDavid, Dahlin, Eichel, Draisaitl, etc) were able to finally help them emerge from the NHL basement. I know Eichel doesn't play for the Sabres anymore but it got them future assets and Alex Tuch who's been a beast for them so far. 

     

    This isn't to say that we shouldn't rebuild, but what I am saying is that what we consider to be a proper rebuild seems to be mis-perceived. 

     

    But then again, the only timely and well-executed rebuild that I can think of in the past decade or so would be the Avalanche. So I guess the conclusion is that 90% of rebuilds are messy, so you all better get mentally prepared for that if it actually happens. Are you all ready to be the laughing stock of the league for at least a few years? 

     

     

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