Bodee Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Players mostly take paycuts to play on championship contending teams. Salos refusal to sign here is a sign that he doesn't think the team is a true contender. I think expecting players to take paycuts to play on a winner can't work for the canucks right now. They gotta work with what they have and build championship swagger. But Lu's meltdowns and sheltering, trading away pure offensive players, lack of young player development, cutting raymonds salary rather than trading him and the first round exit don't inspire confidence. If a player is signing to win, objectively I don't think the Canucks are on top. I think they do have to shake up the core and move at least one piece to get an elite forward and defenseman or else they're a good but not great team. The alternative is better coaching which is being sheltered right now by management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Salo agreed to a one year term of $2 million for the 2011-12 season because he was negotiating from a position of weakness. He wanted to win a Cup, and he felt being with the Canucks was his best chance (based upon the 2010-11 season). He was also coming off what was, even for him, a bad injury year, so he took a hit on the term and the amount. Sadly, the Canucks didn't win this past season. Feeling stronger after last year's perfromance (Salo did play well in most of the 69 games in which he played), Salo wanted an increase in pay and term. He and Gillis could not agree to the length of term/compensation and so Salo moved on. Good luck to him in TB. However, unless TB gets a goalie I suspect that the best chance Salo will have to win a Cup with TB is if they trade him at the deadline to some other team looking for depth d-men. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 What? When? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Salo remember prior to signing the contract had had some major injury issues - remember achilles heal? When he did come back remember all the other top 4-5 guys including hoff were playing really well. Salo wanted one more crack at the cup and as others said he was negotiating from a point of weakness. Van wasn't willing to pay Salo the money nor the term. This is strictly for Salo a money thing cause he must know that Tampa is not a legit contender Sad to see him go but this is a business at the end of the day. End of an era on the backend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 One more point my favorite thing about Salo was that everyone expected him to get injured, he usually did, and nobody panicked about it. I don't think there has ever been a van player like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUCKS4CUP 28 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Does anyone else think Mattias Ohlund was a huge factor for Salo when he was deciding on where to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Salo remember prior to signing the contract had had some major injury issues - remember achilles heal? When he did come back remember all the other top 4-5 guys including hoff were playing really well. Salo wanted one more crack at the cup and as others said he was negotiating from a point of weakness. Van wasn't willing to pay Salo the money nor the term. This is strictly for Salo a money thing cause he must know that Tampa is not a legit contender Sad to see him go but this is a business at the end of the day. End of an era on the backend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 You would think Tampa would be gun shy about big money signings of older, injury prone, Canuck defence-man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Påhlsson Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 No hockey player is underpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StenMan.EXE Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Dude he was making up for an injury plagued season. He's getting older and slowing down considerably. Not a PP force like heused to be. His choice to go elsewhere for more $$$. Wish him the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Sami will always be loved but I agree with MG's decision 100%. Salo got what he wanted, and we got what we wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Salo made two million dollars last year and was top 4,leading all d men in (PP goals) scoring while only playing in 69 games. Considering he has been $$ hosed the last two years,while carrying the team in the post season with his play and production I still think Gillis is cutting corners on LONG TIME Canucks like Salo and Burr,while lavishing Canuck nobodies like Sundin. Reward your historical heart n soul guys like Sami.Don't discard them for a half a million bucks. Gilis fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiredatwork Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 When Salo was negotiating his last contract with the Canucks he was not a top 4 and he was not leading the team in PP goals. He had also just come off a contract that saw him paid very well (3.5 mil) given the salary cap at the time he signed it. It also had a NTC. This heart and soul guy was rewarded. The contract he signed last season with the Canucks was after playing just 27 games and being a -3. His career was being called into question and some might say the contract he got from the Canucks (Also on July 1st BTW) could very possibly have been more than or equal to what he would have gotten offered on the open market...if he got any offers at all. My gut tells me he probably took a bit of a pay cut to be here but I doubt it was much of a pay cut. Certainly he wouldn't have turned down a contract like what he signed yesterday. That's just an educated guess based on the information at the time though...which is worlds better than making an argument about something that happened a year ago with details that happened after the fact. Now don't get me wrong...Sami is great and I'm going to miss him but you're usual trying to find every way possible to be able to use the phrase "Gillis fail" is just as ridiculously inaccurate as it usually is. Nucknit fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 All Salo wanted was 2 year 2 mill per after our cup run season. A steal for his play. smoke and mirrors used his loyalty against him and low balled him badly. not surprised salo gave us a big FU after this past season. it's just another bad decision by a bad gm, it must be hard for even you to keep defending these mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Just about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiredatwork Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Salo signed a contract with the Canucks after becoming a free agent. This was after only playing 20 some odd games the season before and being a -3. Salo didn't give the Canucks an FU at all. He simply got offered a bigger contract by a team that needed him more. If Gillis started giving out contracts because of sentimentality you and you anti-gillis ilk would be pissing and moaning about that. Salo's contract was a good deal but also fair given his previous season, the questions about his career and his playing history. It was a good move by Gillis last season to sign him for what he did and it was a good deal to not sign him for what he got this season given that what he brings to the table/ice can be replaced. Offering a guy who is potentially one injury away from collecting money while on LTIR until the end of his contract is not a horse you give multi-season deals to. You wanna win the Stanley cup or do you want to give all your favoritest players a big long hug? I'll take the cup. I wish that could include Salo but he'd be a fool to turn down the contract Tampa offered him given the money and the multiple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 ever notice in our discussions im always right and your always talking about decisions made "at the time"? it was a brutal decision by gillis last year. just for fun, go back over some of your posts and you'll realize how much time you actually spend making excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugemanskost Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Sami was paid just right last year, IMO. $2M for 69 games and 25 points was good return for the bucks. Yzerman, however, has drastically overpaid for Salo for the next 2 years. He has taken a gamble which, if it pays off, could be huge for TB. $7.5M for 2 years is way too much of a gamble for my liking, though. If he'd have been signed by MG for this amount, Canuck's fans would have been seething and screaming for Gillis' head on a stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ya... underpaid but that doesn't matter anymore. All the best, balls of steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiredatwork Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I've never noticed you always being right. I do notice when your argument gets broken down you tend to go off topic...like you just did here. Stay on topic or don't bother replying. It's better to just fade out than look foolish arguing that you can see into the past. There's a world of difference between excuses and sound easy to see logic. Not much of a difference how ever in making excuses and making up arguments to fit with what you want to be true. Once you're back on topic I'll reply to you again. I've been on this downward spiral with you before and it's pretty pointless. So say something regarding the actual discussion or feel free to get the last word in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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