Kamero89 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Intellgience wise there is not much difference between a dog and a pig, yet it's ok to eat and farm pigs, yet illegal to do so with dogs. Why? Because one was deemed to cute to do so. I DON'T eat meat, obviously, but I am not totally against someone eating it. Just want to point out, we only eat animals that we don't find adorable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Intellgience wise there is not much difference between a dog and a pig, yet it's ok to eat and farm pigs, yet illegal to do so with dogs. Why? Because one was deemed to cute to do so. I DON'T eat meat, obviously, but I am not totally against someone eating it. Just want to point out, we only eat animals that we don't find adorable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I'm all for animal rights... ...but animal lefts are equally good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Not if Romney gets his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 /topic/310820-the-moral-considerability-of-animals/">http://forum.canucks...ity-of-animals/ same guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Fun fact - Nov 1st was World Vegan Day, so you all missed your chance to get on your soapboxes and tell us omnivores how bad we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Fun fact - Nov 1st was World Vegan Day, so you all missed your chance to get on your soapboxes and tell us omnivores how bad we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Fun fact - Nov 1st was World Vegan Day, so you all missed your chance to get on your soapboxes and tell us omnivores how bad we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 Fun fact - I doubled my meat consumption on Nov 1st to make up for the idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 how is being in agony immoral? so not only are you suffering, but you are committing an act that violates the socially accepted moral code while doing so? wow, that's like throwing salt on a wound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Still trying the morality card, eh Stew? You failed miserably to prove it last time and you will again this time. I'm still waiting for your answers to my questions. By your painfully simplistic argument, short quick deaths of animals results in sudden pain but no agony destroying your argument. Do fish qualify as having sentience? Slugs? Insects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'll throw in my 2 cents Two arguments that seem to be prevalent here are: 1) Animals eat other animals and human have been eating animals for centuries, therefore it's acceptable for people to do it too. The first part of the argument, if applied to all things, would justify all sorts of behaviors we consider inhumane. Things animals do that we shouldn't: sex without consent, killing of other animals of same species, killing of babies fathered by a previous dominant male, cannibalism (our closest relative in the animal kingdom, chimps, do this as well), incest...i could go on, but I think my point is clear that we should have a higher standard than animals. The second part of the argument, which is do what humans have done for centuries leads to similar problems. Things people in history have done that we shouldn't: slavery, racism in general, sexism (no rights for women), rape within a marriage (legal in Canada until the 70,s or 80's), residential schools, genocide...These things, were not only common and legal, but also socially accepted. Basically, we should hold ourselves to higher standards than our previous generations. 2) It is natural for humans to eat animals, since it is part of our biology. This is a tough one. But humans are omnivores, and can meet most of our nutritional needs from consumption of plants and fungi, and we have the capacity to do so because of our intellect, so eating meat just seems unnecessary. The morality of not eating meat may likely not be understood by someone that has never been to a slaughterhouse, or killed an animal. It's very easy to detach yourself from the situation when the meat is cut and packaged. It's just a matter of empathy, and the ability of putting yourself in the animals' shoes (I know they don't actually wear shoes). Some people aren't able to do that, but I think eating meat is wrong for the same reason as the killing of dolphins by the Japanese (which generally, people agree is wrong), or killing and eating of dogs (animals we can more easily sympathize with because of their relations to humans), or killing of seals (which most find unacceptable just because we think they are cute). Edit: The killing of animals in wild by humans is unsustainable for the most part, and the farming of animals has similar problems. For pragmatic reasons, it also makes sense to be a vegetarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teen Icarus Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I have a one word argument for eating meat: BACON!!!! Bears eat meat when it's available; same with all the other omnivores. They don't go "Oh, I'm causing another animal pain - I guess I shouldn't eat it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbbyNucksFan Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 so you're comparing eating meat to slavery and incest? good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 so you're comparing eating meat to slavery and incest? good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 so you're comparing eating meat to slavery and incest? good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 You missed the point. I was trying to show that if a lion does something, or humans have done something in the past, it is not a good argument to say it's ok for humans to do it today. Frankly, human behavior, and acceptance of certain things has changed dramatically in the last few centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 clearly they are analogous situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 You missed the point. I was trying to show that if a lion does something, or humans have done something in the past, it is not a good argument to say it's ok for humans to do it today. Frankly, human behavior, and acceptance of certain things has changed dramatically in the last few centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 And yet, eating meat is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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