theminister Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 /topic/310820-the-moral-considerability-of-animals/">http://forum.canucks...ity-of-animals/ same guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bassi13 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Well, I'll be darned... it is. Hey, everyone, SILLY GOOSE is Cup Of Stew! And he must be in year 2 Philosophy now so he's giving it another shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 http://www.raising-r...ive-system.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Why not try a nice veggie burger? What, no? At least I tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Pigs roam around eating garbage and live quite a filthy life, and yet killing and roasting them converts all of that terrible stuff into delicious food? I think most meat eaters couldn't stomach killing their own animals for food. All they really see is a neatly packaged box in the grocery store without thinking about what it is that they're consuming. You guys are like vultures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Haha I never thought I'd find myself on this side of the argument but this guys seems like he needs some support and there's been some pretty sloppy reasoning going on here. I won't get into the animal rights bit as that's quite contentious depending on your point of view. However from an economic and social perspective, it makes a lot of sense to limit your animal protein intake or even go cold turkey. I'm not going to get into a huge debate as I try to avoid such things over the internet but I think it can't hurt for people to have a look at some facts about their diets. Since people like to quote the biology angle, as you go up trophic levels (food chain) only 10% of the energy is transfered between levels, the rest is lost as inefficiencies. For example, if you have 100 units of energy in grains, and you feed those 100 units to a chicken, you are only able to consume 10 units of energy from that chicken. As we try to feed 7 billion and growing people this poses a slight problem. Keeping things short I'll throw out some numbers that cause me quite a bit of discomfort as an avid meat eater. -If everyone were to have a heavy meat diet, the world could sustain only 2.5 billion people, if everyone were vegetarian that number grows to 9-10 billion people. - Half of the worlds agricultural area is dedicated to growing food for our food, as mentioned quite inefficient. - The amount of land used to produce 1 unit of a meat eaters diet could sustain 20 units of a vegetarians. - In the US, 70% of grain grown is for the purposes of animal fodder and livestock requires half the water withdrawn in the country. - You need 1000 liters of water for 10 grams of beef protein and only 67 liters for 10 grams of protein from potatoes, (476L for pork and 135L for wheat) - Along the same lines you need 4900 liters of water for 500 calories of beef and a measly 89 liters for 500 calories of potatoes, a magnitude shift of 55x. It maybe delicious but going forward it certainly is not a smart means of consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 This is another appeal to nature/evolution. Just because we may have evolved this way over 1.5 million years doesn't entail we have to continue this way. For all you know, a plant based diet could make have great benefits over 1.5 million years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Just think of the positive effect on greenhouse gases if 90% of the domestic livestock was removed from the food chain .."less poo = less C02" .. just saying .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Would it be animal cruelty to force animals that eat meat to no longer eat meat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Just think of the positive effect on greenhouse gases if 90% of the domestic livestock was removed from the food chain .."less poo = less C02" .. just saying .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I call bullshi.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 yeah, less poo=less CH4, not CO2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 yeah, less poo=less CH4, not CO2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 We were supposed to be rhyming? Guess I got to work on my timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 We were supposed to be rhyming? Guess I got to work on my timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Don't worry, Shifty. The argument is poo. Just like the last thread by Cup of Stew. I know my meter for this rhyme is loose but it still makes more sense than Silly Goose Honk! Honk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 rhyming is overrated not gonna happen. meat is good though, Iove meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Don't worry, Shifty. The argument is poo. Just like the last thread by Cup of Stew. I know my meter for this rhyme is loose but it still makes more sense than Silly Goose Honk! Honk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 With rhythm like that, you just may be the next Dr. Seuss .. or a candidate for Sesame Street's writing staff .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Yes, SamIam I do not like green eggs and ham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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