n00bxQb Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Regardless of him being "injury prone" or not, teams don't just give up 1st overall picks at age 20. I think the earliest I'm aware of in the modern era is Erik Johnson at age 23, which was after he missed an entire year due to a golf cart accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemy Time Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Hall is injury prone and gets hit way way too much, if he keeps playing this way he will have a short career. You want to break the bank for him? Eberly is the jewel on that team and would be worth much more than Hall. Some of the proposals on here for one of these vaunted Coil prospects is just mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossram Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 ....Lockout needs to send. Seriously. The proposals have been reaching all time lows lately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Not saying I would do the trade. I'm saying what it would take. Edmonton doesn't want to give him up, and, honestly, I wouldn't trade Schnieder straight up for Hall. Schnieder is much more valuable to the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsey Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I would never trade a goaltender to Edmonton. I mean that just puts them in the right direction to compete. They are going to be a good team in the future, lets not help them too much. I would never trade to a rival tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Ballard and a 1st Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Hall, Ebs, RNH, all of these guys are impossible to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Counter offer from a habs fans: Price Subban 2013 2th for Hall MPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Counter offer from a habs fans: Price Subban 2013 2th for Hall MPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Hall only add's to our depth (he would be behind Danny at LW), I don't understand trades that do not go to the heart of our needs? I know what you are saying but lots of people on this board value other teams assets way too high and treat the Canucks players like plugs. You dont win 2 Prez trophys and make it to the 7th game of the finals with smoke and mirrors. Most pundits and experts say the Canucks are one of the most skilled and deep teams in the league and only need a little grit to get them to the promised land. 2-3 years still left in this window before you rebuild, Hall would be nice but not worth the price of Schneids. Keep Edmonton under your boot heel where they belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Counter offer from a habs fans: Price Subban 2013 2th for Hall MPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Counter offer from a habs fans: Price Subban 2013 2th for Hall MPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I don't actually believe you're a Habs fan. I've seen you offer up Price in ridiculous trade proposals more times than I care to remember. You obviously hate the guy. But let's say Montreal makes that trade. You've just traded away their top goalie and are left with Budaj and no one in the minors that is NHL quality. On top of that you've traded away on of their top young gun defencemen. You've essentially guaranteed them several more bottom 5 finishes. Congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis2 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 @eretz Yes, his deal is terrible, but Hall is on par with Eberle and RNH...and how can you say that Yakupov is better than him when Yak has yet to play a game in the NHL? If you've actually watched an Oilers game, you would also see that Hall is their most dynamic player. He is by far their fastest, has a deadly shot, and has crafty hands. He also isn't afraid to get engaged physically, which is why he has been injured so much in his first two years. Remember how he got injured the first time? Fighting. Once Hall fills out his body, the injuries will be less frequent. Fact is, Hall was on pace for 37 goals last year and 72 points. He will be a consistent 30+ (multiple 40's and a few 50's) goal scorer and a PPG player. Again, I'm not defending palindrom, but to say Hall is "less skilled" than his linemates and an 18 year old Russian rookie who has yet to play is a bit absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Budaj have 3 season experience as a starter and i seriously think that Desjardins deserve a shoot in the NHL. If it doesnt work, i really dont think it would be a problem to find a starter. And i dont mind being a bottom 5 this year since even with Price and Subban we would be anyway! Obviously its a downgrade over Price, even if statistically Budaj was close to Price last year. But i sincerely think that the asset we could get for Price + investing more wisely the 6 500 000$ salary of Price could benefit montreal in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Budaj have 3 season experience as a starter and i seriously think that Desjardins deserve a shoot in the NHL. If it doesnt work, i really dont think it would be a problem to find a starter. And i dont mind being a bottom 5 this year since even with Price and Subban we would be anyway! Obviously its a downgrade over Price, even if statistically Budaj was close to Price last year. But i sincerely think that the asset we could get for Price + investing more wisely the 6 500 000$ salary of Price could benefit montreal in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Why do you love Hall do much? You cannot value players for being on pace to score points, you can only value players for what they do. Why? Well there are reasons players to reach those point totals. In Hall's case, it us that he is injury prone. Add that to the fact that he is gonna make 6 mil and I would say he is the most tradable of the bunch. Who cares how "dynamic" a player is if that style gets them injured. All he has managed to do is score 53 points in a season which is really great, but he also showed how awesome he is at getting injured, especially towards the end of the season @eretz Yes, his deal is terrible, but Hall is on par with Eberle and RNH...and how can you say that Yakupov is better than him when Yak has yet to play a game in the NHL? If you've actually watched an Oilers game, you would also see that Hall is their most dynamic player. He is by far their fastest, has a deadly shot, and has crafty hands. He also isn't afraid to get engaged physically, which is why he has been injured so much in his first two years. Remember how he got injured the first time? Fighting. Once Hall fills out his body, the injuries will be less frequent. Fact is, Hall was on pace for 37 goals last year and 72 points. He will be a consistent 30+ (multiple 40's and a few 50's) goal scorer and a PPG player. Again, I'm not defending palindrom, but to say Hall is "less skilled" than his linemates and an 18 year old Russian rookie who has yet to play is a bit absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Why do you love Hall do much? You cannot value players for being on pace to score points, you can only value players for what they do. Why? Well there are reasons players to reach those point totals. In Hall's case, it us that he is injury prone. Add that to the fact that he is gonna make 6 mil and I would say he is the most tradable of the bunch. Who cares how "dynamic" a player is if that style gets them injured. All he has managed to do is score 53 points in a season which is really great, but he also showed how awesome he is at getting injured, especially towards the end of the season @eretz Yes, his deal is terrible, but Hall is on par with Eberle and RNH...and how can you say that Yakupov is better than him when Yak has yet to play a game in the NHL? If you've actually watched an Oilers game, you would also see that Hall is their most dynamic player. He is by far their fastest, has a deadly shot, and has crafty hands. He also isn't afraid to get engaged physically, which is why he has been injured so much in his first two years. Remember how he got injured the first time? Fighting. Once Hall fills out his body, the injuries will be less frequent. Fact is, Hall was on pace for 37 goals last year and 72 points. He will be a consistent 30+ (multiple 40's and a few 50's) goal scorer and a PPG player. Again, I'm not defending palindrom, but to say Hall is "less skilled" than his linemates and an 18 year old Russian rookie who has yet to play is a bit absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetalOilDrum Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Fair you say? Not even close... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis2 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Why do you love Hall do much? You cannot value players for being on pace to score points, you can only value players for what they do. Why? Well there are reasons players to reach those point totals. In Hall's case, it us that he is injury prone. Add that to the fact that he is gonna make 6 mil and I would say he is the most tradable of the bunch. Who cares how "dynamic" a player is if that style gets them injured. All he has managed to do is score 53 points in a season which is really great, but he also showed how awesome he is at getting injured, especially towards the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 By that logic, isn't RNH the most tradable? He "only" put up 52 points last year. And he's only making $3.775m for the next few years. A dynamic player is an impact player, a gamechanger, and when you have one of those in your lineup, he can be the difference between losing and winning a game. Also, you haven't answered my question yet. What makes Yakupov a better player than Hall? He has not even played an NHL game yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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