Dragonfruits Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Difference is 1. Schneider is healthy 2. Fleury has 2 wins Luongo has 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 As my thread last night stated I think it's dangerous to throw a cold goalie into a series that's already in trouble. Luongo is not the problem. He is the reason the games are not 5-2 or 6-1 or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noheart Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 If we do in fact agree that Schneids is a better keeper then we have to assume that he would keep out a goal that Luongo let in. Say the goal in the last minute in regulation of the last game maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUCKS4CUP 28 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Difference is 1. Schneider is healthy 2. Fleury has 2 wins Luongo has 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 You cannot win when you only score 1-2 goals a game. So yes, there are two ways about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campers11 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I think the team plays better with Schnieder in the net. I don't know what it is but this team just looks more confident with him in it. It doesnt matter how good Luongo plays if this team doesn't get their crap together we're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Could you imagine if we lost with a healthy Schneider on the bench tonight. Luongo hasn't won a playoff game in 2 years His fault or not, that's pretty sad for a elite, clutch performer. If Cory isn't 100% healthy AV should be fired on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 If a keeper isn't allowed to go in cold then he just sits on the bench forever I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prana16 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 "His fault or not" really? You don't think it matters? Context is everything. In the last 2 years, Luo's only played in 4 playoff games. And in those 4 games, the forwards scored a grand total of 7 goals. And that's with giving them credit for the accidental Game 1 goal from this year. That gives them a measly 1.75 goal per game average over those 4 games. Take out that accidental goal that wasn't actually scored by a (current) Canuck and their playoff goal per game average for those 4 games drops to only 1.5. That means that essentially (going by the oversimplified average) to win with this team Luo can not let in more than a single goal per game and has to get shutout every other game to make up for the lack of point production. That's just unrealistic for the playoffs. Number of games played so far in 2012-2013 playoffs: 18 Number of games won when scoring 2 or fewer goals: 5 Number of games won when scoring 4 or more goals: 8 In game 1 of last year's playoffs, Luo made 11 more saves than Quick and had a SV% only .002 lower than Quick's. Being that their 4th goal was an empty netter, imagine what a difference the team scoring one more goal would have made. And in case you're one of those "they just play better in front of Cory" wishful thinkers, including every playoff game they've played in the last 2 years, the Canucks have only averaged 1.57 goals per game. In the 3 games that Cory played last year, they averaged only 1.33 (having scored 0, 3, and 1 goals respectively.) More of that context you think doesn't matter: Cory lost the same number of games as Luo did last year. In fact, Cory has only won 1 NHL playoff game in his entire career. And not surprisingly, that single win also happens to be only playoff game in the last 2 years the Canucks have managed to score 3 goals. Cory's an amazing goalie, but he's also been sitting for almost 2 weeks. Apparently he wasn't healthy enough to even sit on the bench just 2 days ago, and now he's being throw out there with the entire weight of our playoff hopes on his back despite Luo playing well and being game ready. That doesn't seem smart, or respectful to either goalie. And frankly it just puts undue focus on the one part of the team that hasn't been an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALGARY! Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Let's not forget Cory has yet to prove himself as a playoff goalie, and going into the leagues best home teams rink. It will be difficult. So what happens if he gets blown up, now you have a pretty crappy situation going into game 4, play a goalie who just got blown up or revert back to a pissed off Lou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noheart Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 "His fault or not" really? You don't think it matters? Context is everything. In the last 2 years, Luo's only played in 4 playoff games. And in those 4 games, the forwards scored a grand total of 7 goals. And that's with giving them credit for the accidental Game 1 goal from this year. That gives them a measly 1.75 goal per game average over those 4 games. Take out that accidental goal that wasn't actually scored by a (current) Canuck and their playoff goal per game average for those 4 games drops to only 1.5. That means that essentially (going by the oversimplified average) to win with this team Luo can not let in more than a single goal per game and has to get shutout every other game to make up for the lack of point production. That's just unrealistic for the playoffs. Number of games played so far in 2012-2013 playoffs: 18 Number of games won when scoring 2 or fewer goals: 5 Number of games won when scoring 4 or more goals: 8 In game 1 of last year's playoffs, Luo made 11 more saves than Quick and had a SV% only .002 lower than Quick's. Being that their 4th goal was an empty netter, imagine what a difference the team scoring one more goal would have made. And in case you're one of those "they just play better in front of Cory" wishful thinkers, including every playoff game they've played in the last 2 years, the Canucks have only averaged 1.57 goals per game. In the 3 games that Cory played last year, they averaged only 1.33 (having scored 0, 3, and 1 goals respectively.) More of that context you think doesn't matter: Cory lost the same number of games as Luo did last year. In fact, Cory has only won 1 NHL playoff game in his entire career. And not surprisingly, that single win also happens to be only playoff game in the last 2 years the Canucks have managed to score 3 goals. Cory's an amazing goalie, but he's also been sitting for almost 2 weeks. Apparently he wasn't healthy enough to even sit on the bench just 2 days ago, and now he's being throw out there with the entire weight of our playoff hopes on his back despite Luo playing well and being game ready. That doesn't seem smart, or respectful to either goalie. And frankly it just puts undue focus on the one part of the team that hasn't been an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Because the Pens have scored 13 goals in 3 games. We have three.. rotfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nastie Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Anyone miss what they said a week ago. Schneider is going to play when he's healthy. He is healthy now so he is playing. Has nothing to do with Luongo. Keep in mind, we did lose the last 2 games. Luongo did let in 3 goals in each. He's played really well and a lot better than any of his teammates but he wasn't a god on the ice. But for sh*t sakes people, he's a number 1, but no longer for this team. Schneider is who we are going to play so stfu and just watch the game. We are the Canucks. Not the Luongos. Put any backup in the same position as Luongo and replace him with Schneider for game 3 and people won't complain one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr4ilerP4rk Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Once again, very poor coaching decision. This guy has to get the f outta town! Luongo is playing lights out.. goal tending is not the problem, dont f with what aint broke. Get your g'dam sedins to show up and play some fing hockey. omg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noheart Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Once again, very poor coaching decision. This guy has to get the f outta town! Luongo is playing lights out.. goal tending is not the problem, dont f with what aint broke. Get your g'dam sedins to show up and play some fing hockey. omg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Wow... u guys know how I feel. Luis been on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrogZilla Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 You cannot win when you only score 1-2 goals a game. So yes, there are two ways about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Yes goaltending isn't the problem. That being said, why fret about it? Lol at the same old 'this is a new low' or 'i am ashamed' blah blah blah over the top response. Bloody typical cdc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Luongo hasn't played great. He's played ok, great at times. He hasn't played better then Niemi & you can't win a tight series with the 2nd best goalie in it. If Schneider can play then he deserves the chance. If Schneider can come in & outplay Niemi then we might be able to get back into the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 This is absolutely absurd. Unless Luongo is sick or made a small tweak or something that is not allowing him to play health wise, there is absolutely no way you can possibly justify Schneider starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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