J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I just finished reading Apollo's very hopeful prediction for next year, and thought I would give you all a little different thought on the next couple seasons, and I might even surprise you a little! First, unlike Apollo, I don't think the Canucks have a hope in hell of finishing in the playoffs, with the improvements everyone else has made. There will be no easy points for us.....but that is not what my post is about Simply put, we have a great stable of young talent, and would rank somewhere around 10th to 15th in the talent 20 years and under, at present. The silver lining is we do not have any elite players, we are still ranked that high, and we have not fallen to the bottom yet. If like I see it, we finish in the bottom 8 this year and next, we will only have to pick near the top for a very short time, because our wealth is in our depth or prospects. Most of the teams ranked above us, have already fallen and have picked those 1 to 5 OA picks for several years, but have not done terribly well with their secondary picks. There are exceptions! For me, the glass is half full (even though I predict we will fall), as we will only need a couple more top end players and we will be back in the race. Now I will say that I am being optimistic on every pick turning out, but if my prediction holds out and we pick in the top 5 and draft only offensive players, we have every thing else, and that is not with trading anyone. Now if we trade the Vrbata's, Hamhuis's, and possibly Edler, we would surely yield a plethora of young top end talent. And you will notice that at that point our talent evaluation of prospects and young pros will move up. Now along with any possible trades that "may" happen, comes the reality that our remaining 34 year olds will have aged and started to retire. This too is a blessing, as we will gain valuable cap space, and as long as Benning, Linden and Aquallini do not panic, we should be able to acquire some very good free agents in 2 or 3 years. Now the reason I bolded the "2 or 3 years" is we have to let ourselves age, and get down into the bottom of the league just long enough to pick those elite offensive players up and let our vets leave by what ever means..... Because we are a "spend to the cap" team, we will always be able to buy several higher end UFA's and by not panicking and just going out there and trying to be a fringe playoff team, we will have the room and youth to bargain with the "tight to the cap" teams. I can't say for sure this is the best plan, but I do not think a 2 year drought is unbearable, if there is a plan that is focused and to the point. What worries me is Aqualli's "possible" fear of short term financial loss.....can't blame him, it's not my money, but it doesn't seem too far to reach, to have a strong team for the future, and a working plan going forward.......like I said, I see this as a half full problem, and very short term.....we have all the 2nd, 3rd and 4th liners we need, and with the acquisition of a very few pieces, we will all be happy again, very soon! I guess it all depends on where the Boss's see us now, but that's my thoughts on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 There are literally 10 threads that you could have posted this in that say the EXACT SAME THING. I'm sorry, but i'm tired of reading the same thing over and over again in different threads......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dKs89 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Why are you saying we need young elite offensive talent? That is completely wrong. We have no promising defensive prospects. We need a stud defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 What worries me is Aqualli's fear of short term financial loss..... Based on what factual evidence? Do you think they bought the team to simply flip it, or do you just not understand business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 There are literally 10 threads that you could have posted this in that say the EXACT SAME THING. I'm sorry, but i'm tired of reading the same thing over and over again in different threads......... Stank In your last 4 posts that you have started......you have traded Hamhuis and Vrbata twice! I wonder how many threats you could have posted them in?? Saying "you are sorry" then crapping on me is kind of Hypocritical in this case, "Don't you think?" Good Luck in your schooling! Been there, done that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Stank In your last 4 posts that you have started......you have traded Hamhuis and Vrbata twice! I wonder how many threats you could have posted them in?? Saying "you are sorry" then crapping on me is kind of Hypocritical in this case, "Don't you think?" Good Luck in your schooling! Been there, done that! I think you need to check my last 4 posts In Topic: Sven Baertschi Talk 20 minutes ago Like others have said, if you can transition the puck out of the zone quickly there is little need for big, bad bruisers on the back end. The way the game seems to be trending there is going to be a lot more of the "undersize" guy who can transition the puck quickly out of the zone and a lot less of the 6'5 230 DD whos main job is to throw his body around and "clear the crease" Just some teams who have defenceman who make quick transitions out of the zone Ana Chicago Dallas Calgary Montreal Mainly big body stay at home guys Tampa Oilers (yes their d core sucks but thats what it built around last season Islanders Florida? San Jose LA The "new era" can also be called PMD defenceman In Topic: The real silver lining in this mess (Discussion) 27 minutes ago There are literally 10 threads that you could have posted this in that say the EXACT SAME THING. I'm sorry, but i'm tired of reading the same thing over and over again in different threads......... In Topic: Jake Virtanen Talk 55 minutes ago The 5th Line, on 17 Jul 2015 - 9:06 PM, said: These two aspect are usually the reason a player is sent back to junior, so either way I think he is going to be on the Canucks. Virtanen would play well on a line where he isn't the "go to" player, that way we could play him to his strengths, which are carrying the puck into the zone and getting to the scoring areas. A Higgins-Bonino-Virtanen line would probably be the best fit for him. Virtanen can be the speed guy who carries the puck into the zone, Bonino the set up/Procession player and Higgins would be the strong two way force. In Topic: Is Bo ready to be a 2C? Today, 08:40 PM Supra, on 17 Jul 2015 - 8:35 PM, said: Cause Nuchuskin is a 1st line winger right In Topic: Is Bo ready to be a 2C? Today, 08:37 PM Bo is ready to be our 5on5 2C, whether he will be 2nd among centres in icetime (2C) is yet to de determind. I think Bonino is going to start the season on the 2nd PP over Bo. IE Bo will be getting 2nd best 5 on 5 ice time among centers 1st/2nd best PK ice time among centers Bonino will be getting 3rd best 5 on 5 ice time among centers 2nd most PP ice time among centers Basically 2A and 2B or 3A and 3B So where are the Hamhuis and Vrbata trades? I've posted my trades in the PROPOSAL SECTION... and fail to see how that has any relvance to my complaint about posting the same DANG THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Based on what factual evidence? Do you think they bought the team to simply flip it, or do you just not understand business? The question is "Do You?" Because if you do not fear loosing money, you have never owned a business, my friends and I are constantly watching and reviewing, and even though we enjoy our money very much, we do not like loosing it! How about you, do you like loosing it or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstewboy Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Man the people who are freaking out before the season starts are sad. I'm sure you are the same people that are up to date on what the Kardashians, Caitlyn Jenner and Kanye West are doing. Go ride a bike, pick up a drinking habit, learn how to knit or something because nobody knows how next season is going to unfold. No reason in making yourself look like an idiot on here and attempting to predict how next season will go, because you have no control over the situation. Anything can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 I think you need to check my last 4 posts So where are the Hamhuis and Vrbata trades? I've posted my trades in the PROPOSAL SECTION... and fail to see how that has any relvance to my complaint about posting the same DANG THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN Maybe I am wrong, but I went into your post section and 2 or your last 4 posts, that "you" started, were posts where the main part of the text was about trading Vrbata and Hamhuis, maybe I am wrong, but are you saying you haven't done this......I would apologize! But to throw another rose out there...........I understand your point and yes I probably could have, like thousands of other posters.. I actually like a lot of your posts, but didn't like the attack.......just putting my thoughts out there. What really bugs me, is things like being called out to find that several months later, my opinion is gathering speed, but guys dump on the first post and then start saying the same thing in there own...... Just trying to be part of the party......can you give an old guy a break? I actually thought it was well written. But I don't think I will be hired for my opinion by the Province or thought of as a good writer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I was well written, but so are some of other stuff that says the same thing. I just find it annoying when literally everyday I find a new thread that is saying the same thing...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 The question is "Do You?" Because if you do not fear loosing money, you have never owned a business, my friends and I are constantly watching and reviewing, and even though we enjoy our money very much, we do not like loosing it! How about you, do you like loosing it or something? Yes I do, in fact. Sounds like you have a day trader mentality, whereas big (and real) business is about building and the long-term. That's why I asked -- are the Aquilinis in it to flip for a quick buck, or are they looking at building a business that is profitable for many years to come. Do you think they built their empire by gouging for short-term pennies or invested for future and sustained dollars? This is the same meme that keeps going around -- that ownership has "mandated" that the Canucks make the playoffs no matter what. It is without basis and completely fabricated. If there is evidence for it, it has never been shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Maybe I am wrong, but I went into your post section and 2 or your last 4 posts, that "you" started, were posts where the main part of the text was about trading Vrbata and Hamhuis, maybe I am wrong, but are you saying you haven't done this......I would apologize! But to throw another rose out there...........I understand your point and yes I probably could have, like thousands of other posters.. I actually like a lot of your posts, but didn't like the attack.......just putting my thoughts out there. What really bugs me, is things like being called out to find that several months later, my opinion is gathering speed, but guys dump on the first post and then start saying the same thing in there own...... Just trying to be part of the party......can you give an old guy a break? I actually thought it was well written. But I don't think I will be hired for my opinion by the Province or thought of as a good writer You're talking about his recent threads, but GStank is correct that they're in the proposals section. There's far less concern over redundancy there as each proposal is often different, even if by the smallest amount. But posts like this can certainly go in other threads that have the same general idea (future of the franchise and all that). I know the search has been broken for awhile and it's not really an easy topic to search for, but this kind of stuff is actually really well suited to a blog post rather than a new thread. That way, you can still put your thoughts out there and people can read it if they want, but if you aren't really stimulating any new discussion it doesn't need it's own thread. Just my two cents and perspective on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Yes I do, in fact. Sounds like you have a day trader mentality, whereas big (and real) business is about building and the long-term. That's why I asked -- are the Aquilinis in it to flip for a quick buck, or are they looking at building a business that is profitable for many years to come. Do you think they built their empire by gouging for short-term pennies or invested for future and sustained dollars? This is the same meme that keeps going around -- that ownership has "mandated" that the Canucks make the playoffs no matter what. It is without basis and completely fabricated. If there is evidence for it, it has never been shown. I am not going to searching, I am sure Benning and Co. have made the statements many times, including town hall meetings......I could be wrong and it is quite possible I have just read too many posts. I just want to say thanks for the response .......it is a good question, and I don't have the answer, that is why I write, to get articulate, thoughtful points, that make me question my hockey beliefs.......some of the posters around here have been pretty hard on me, and sometimes deservedly so, but I think I have also contributed.......I just take exception to rudeness.......and try to applaud genuine spirit of discussion.....some of the posters don't get that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 You're talking about his recent threads, but GStank is correct that they're in the proposals section. There's far less concern over redundancy there as each proposal is often different, even if by the smallest amount. But posts like this can certainly go in other threads that have the same general idea (future of the franchise and all that). I know the search has been broken for awhile and it's not really an easy topic to search for, but this kind of stuff is actually really well suited to a blog post rather than a new thread. That way, you can still put your thoughts out there and people can read it if they want, but if you aren't really stimulating any new discussion it doesn't need it's own thread. Just my two cents and perspective on things. Thanks Elvis.......I don't know how to blog, but I will look....it is a fair point Thanks lol I actually thought you had to be invited to Blog .......just for the record my post wasn't a disguise about trading, it was that we aren't as bad as some think.....I don't think that is a bad message to send.......and I honestly, respect a lot of people opinions on here.......I think some on here, live on here, but sometime I do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 In 3-4 years with the Sedins about ready to Retire we will be making one last push for the Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I am not going to searching, I am sure Benning and Co. have made the statements many times, including town hall meetings......I could be wrong and it is quite possible I have just read too many posts. I just want to say thanks for the response .......it is a good question, and I don't have the answer, that is why I write, to get articulate, thoughtful points, that make me question my hockey beliefs.......some of the posters around here have been pretty hard on me, and sometimes deservedly so, but I think I have also contributed.......I just take exception to rudeness.......and try to applaud genuine spirit of discussion.....some of the posters don't get that Cheers, s'all good. I'm a little unsure though where the "mess" is, after finishing 8th overall in the league with 101 points, and after another good draft, moving out several more vets (including an NTC), and having 4-5 more youth coming in this season. We're in the transition period, but will certainly continue be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Can you promise not to complain in the GDT around April 15th when we have our first playoff game? Also please don't attend the parade June 18th down Georgia. NUX RULE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 troliing or wat we will be better than last yr bunch of youth coming up d codp worries me but we will unload hamhuis at deadline thankfully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Cheers, s'all good. I'm a little unsure though where the "mess" is, after finishing 8th overall in the league with 101 points, and after another good draft, moving out several more vets (including an NTC), and having 4-5 more youth coming in this season. We're in the transition period, but will certainly continue be competitive. This a good question and my answer is just opinion that could be just as right as wrong...or visa versa. But here it goes We were 4 points from 16th OA...we were 8thOA, and not many more from being out of the playoffs all together. Lack got totally hot for a good part of the 2nd half of the season, and we won games that could have easily gone the other, if it wasn't for Lack. I see our vets slowing down, and less competitive against strong teams as a unit (out players) It was Lack for a large part of it, but we are supposedly a offensive team, and we were at one point in the season 23rd at even strength goals, and if Vrbata or Matthais would have gotten hurt, we would have been screwed. I am not saying that other teams did not go through the same thing, but we were lucky in a large part to Colorado, Dallas and LA going through injuries and player difficulties. Not to mention San Jose really didn't show much. This year with the departure of Matthais's 18 goals, and all our vets getting a year older and playing against clubs that have all gotten stronger, excluding Arizona, and I believe points just will not be as easy. I agree with you about the kids coming up, but even there we have problems as there are vets that have to move before they can come up, and I hate giving away talent. Again, my most concerning stat was even strength goals...and a hot goalie, we don't have now, and 18 goals we have to replace now, not to mention we are getting older and the division is getting bigger and younger. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see us win the StanleyCup next year, and I think as a long standing Canuck fan(1967?) I am entitled to that. I am not calling anyone idiots, as I could be wrong, but that's my guestimate as to what's going to happen.....I am also thinking Edmonton is going to get a lot tougher to play, and if, and that's a big "IF" they ever move Draisailtl, they will be in the race.....he will get again in my opinion a 1st, a top 2 Dman and something else real good....could you imagine OEL in Edmonton...it is possible, everyone has their price. So that is about it.....that is what my gut tells me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Can you promise not to complain in the GDT around April 15th when we have our first playoff game? Also please don't attend the parade June 18th down Georgia. NUX RULE Apollo, if you were right on that parade, I would hunt you down and buy you a beer....after I hugged you! lol My opinion Differs from yours, but I have no problem respecting it, and if I am wrong.......I still win! LOL I have been around for a long, long time and have always watched or listened....even through the dark days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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