Timråfan Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Fan since 82 said: You keep talking about this, but these players aren't children. They've got to want it, and sometimes no matter how much effort and time you pour into a player it becomes obvious they just don't want it bad enough and then you have to move on from them. Not meant as a statementof value of the individual, but as an organisation you have to invest your time and energy where it will be most useful. A brain grows til a boy/man is 25 years... Therefor a player is at their peak after 25. Before that they often need time and direction, man management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 49 minutes ago, Timråfan said: A brain grows til a boy/man is 25 years... Therefor a player is at their peak after 25. Before that they often need time and direction, man management. unfortunately for those ones, that's the same thing as not being good enough. in the best league in the world, teams can't afford to hold players' hands for more than half their career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, tas said: unfortunately for those ones, that's the same thing as not being good enough. in the best league in the world, teams can't afford to hold players' hands for more than half their career. So a player who is best between 25-35 isless interesting than a player who peaks at 25? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Timråfan said: So a player who is best between 25-35 isless interesting than a player who peaks at 25? it's not about being less interesting, it's that teams cannot afford to dump a bunch of time and resources into a player that may or may not come around 7 years after being drafted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 Sven Baertschi had to spend almost 2 seasons in the AHL before he became an NHL regular. Goldobin had to spend almost 3 seasons in the minors before he played a full regular season. Granlund was up and down for 3 seasons between the NHL and minors. Other players do it. There should be no preferential treatment of a player who hasn't earned a spot. This is something players need to understand about playing in the NHL. It is rare that players are good enough to jump into the league right away. This is the price of trying to play in the NHL. There are some players who never get above the AHL. This is what makes players like Burrows more remarkable, and why he was easy to cheer for. He worked hard for every shift he got. ECHL, AHL, NHL And he never forgot that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 hours ago, tas said: it's not about being less interesting, it's that teams cannot afford to dump a bunch of time and resources into a player that may or may not come around 7 years after being drafted. Jake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Jake? is currently 22 years old, and if he fails to hit 20 goals and/or 40 points this year, I'm pretty much prepared to cut bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 19 hours ago, Timråfan said: It all comes down to man management. If the organisation isn't flexible(modern) it it's approach only certain types of players succeed. With a more individual approach more players succeed... Win win situation. I'd say our "man management" is fine. Our organization has been doing it's best to work with young, wirth while players like Jake and Goldy. It seem that Dahlen is not one of those worth while prospects. I wish him all the best in his future hockey career, but I don't believe we will ever see him in the NHL. I don't think he has the mindset to do it, he is better off being a star in a lesser league then putting in the effort to make the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 2:46 PM, Alflives said: Beagle came as a UFA, and (although getting top coin for his job) cost us no assets. I think JB did the right thing getting Guddy. It was a good risk reward move. Guddy was definitely (in retrospect) and over payment. We need Beagle to take heavy minutes off of Horvat. So was LE, free UFA. Doesn't mean they were good decisions. You can add Schaller to that as well. Sutter overpaid as well. Multiple bad contracts just can't happen if a team wants to compete. Point is in the cap era teams need a shrewd business executive and a good roster builder to get us to next level.. 500k here 1mill there adds up over 20 plus players on a NHL team. It can give the team the ability to afford another top 6 forward. Could be the difference between a deep run and first round exit when this team starts making playoffs. In the salary cap era managing salaries and being able to get cap friendly long term deals is right at top of the list when it comes to building a competitive team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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