Davathor Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 We're such a deep team that self-proclaimed NHL player Sven is back in juniors 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 13 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol EP is a great superstar.. generational talent? homerism much? draisaitl is on pace for 150 points this season and he's not even considered a generational talent lol. while we are bragging we won the 2017 draft with EP.. Colorado would like to beg to differ.. If anything Cale Makar is closer to a generational talent than EP.. more than a PPG as a rookie defenseman? that's unheard of.. since 2000 there's only 4 players that averaged 1 point per game as a defencemen and he's on pace to avg more than that as a rookie Draisaitl took 5 seasons to hit 100 and played along side generational talent mcdavid cale makar might be generational. But team plays a factor too. Put Hughes on that team and style and he could also be putting up those numbers. Plus major has a year in age abound Hughes. Not homer vision, EP if he breaks 100 pts in second season (which he could) he would def be in the same discussion as generational talent. Hughes on pace for 60pts as rookie def puts him ahead of dahlin who is touted as generational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Krzysl said: Draisaitl took 5 seasons to hit 100 and played along side generational talent mcdavid cale makar might be generational. But team plays a factor too. Put Hughes on that team and style and he could also be putting up those numbers. Plus major has a year in age abound Hughes. Not homer vision, EP if he breaks 100 pts in second season (which he could) he would def be in the same discussion as generational talent. Hughes on pace for 60pts as rookie def puts him ahead of dahlin who is touted as generational Lol point production in ur first couple season doesnt define whether or not you are generational.. malkin meets all your criteria.. yet hes only regarded as a franchise player.. rarely mentioned as a generational talent.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 13 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol EP is a great superstar.. generational talent? homerism much? draisaitl is on pace for 150 points this season and he's not even considered a generational talent lol. while we are bragging we won the 2017 draft with EP.. Colorado would like to beg to differ.. If anything Cale Makar is closer to a generational talent than EP.. more than a PPG as a rookie defenseman? that's unheard of.. since 2000 there's only 4 players that averaged 1 point per game as a defencemen and he's on pace to avg more than that as a rookie Mcdavid became the 7th player in history to make 100pts befor the age of 22 elias “if” he hits 100 before 22 he will be 8th putting him in the discussion of generational, ovie didn’t make that list. Among the list Wayne, Mario , Sid , Mcdavid, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, wai_lai416 said: Lol point production in ur first couple season doesnt define whether or not you are generational.. malkin meets all your criteria.. yet hes only regarded as a franchise player.. rarely mentioned as a generational talent.. Read my most recent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Krzysl said: Mcdavid became the 7th player in history to make 100pts befor the age of 22 elias “if” he hits 100 before 22 he will be 8th putting him in the discussion of generational, ovie didn’t make that list. Among the list Wayne, Mario , Sid , Mcdavid, So eer wheres malkin on that list? He entered the league as a 20 year old finished with 85 points and the next year 106 and then 113? And hes not even a generational talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: Lol point production in ur first couple season doesnt define whether or not you are generational.. malkin meets all your criteria.. yet hes only regarded as a franchise player.. rarely mentioned as a generational talent.. Also Malkin played along side Crosby, give Elias a draisitl and see what happens .. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: So eer wheres malkin on that list? He entered the league as a 20 year old finished with 85 points and the next year 106 and then 113? And hes not even a generational talent https://icehockey.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_with_100-point_seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Krzysl said: Also Malkin played along side Crosby, give Elias a draisitl and see what happens .. lol https://www.nhl.com/news/connor-mcdavid-of-edmonton-oilers-joins-elite-group/c-297411224 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Krzysl said: https://icehockey.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_with_100-point_seasons https://www.nhl.com/news/connor-mcdavid-of-edmonton-oilers-joins-elite-group/c-297411224 Sorry wrong link earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, Krzysl said: Also Malkin played along side Crosby, give Elias a draisitl and see what happens .. lol Um malkin carried the team to the first couple stanley cup.. and malkin doesnt play along side crosby most of the time.. maybe the power play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Bertuzzi44ever said: You realiIze I edited my post literally two seconds after that, if you would of just looked at it (after the first minute) it would save you posting a meme that was relevant only 20 years ago. Steve Austin hasn’t said what since 2002. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: Um malkin carried the team to the first couple stanley cup.. and malkin doesnt play along side crosby most of the time.. maybe the power play Definitely the pp, like I said give Elias draisitl even only on the pp and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 50 minutes ago, Krzysl said: Definitely the pp, like I said give Elias draisitl even only on the pp and see what happens. Draistl and malkin produces by themselves even without the top tier player just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: Draistl and malkin produces by themselves even without the top tier player just saying Even if on separate lines it helps when the top pairing d are not defending you because they are defending the other line and can’t focus their game plan to shut you down. If EP has a franchise player putting up 100 pts I bet you my house EP would have made 100 points rookie season and definitely 100+ this season. Side note Malkin was a year older the EP when he broke the nhl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44ever Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 10 hours ago, Krzysl said: Draisaitl took 5 seasons to hit 100 and played along side generational talent mcdavid cale makar might be generational. But team plays a factor too. Put Hughes on that team and style and he could also be putting up those numbers. Plus major has a year in age abound Hughes. Not homer vision, EP if he breaks 100 pts in second season (which he could) he would def be in the same discussion as generational talent. Hughes on pace for 60pts as rookie def puts him ahead of dahlin who is touted as generational You realize on pace for six seven weeks into a season is hardly going to be AccurAte. ps Dahlin was 18 and had to make the transition from big ice to small ice, and played on an even worse offense and still put up the second best season in nhl history by an 18 yr old passing Bobby Orr who was second. i don’t think Hughes is fat off dahlin but we will see. i don’t pettersson is going to get 100 Pts nor do I think it would make him generational if he did. barzal got 86 Pts in his FIRST season and most people don’t even list him in the top 15 centers let alone forwards let alone players. he would definitely be in the conversation and was one of the top ten players in the game with generational potential but one season doesent make anyone generational. i agree with what you said about draisaitl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Bertuzzi44ever said: You realize on pace for six seven weeks into a season is hardly going to be AccurAte. ps Dahlin was 18 and had to make the transition from big ice to small ice, and played on an even worse offense and still put up the second best season in nhl history by an 18 yr old passing Bobby Orr who was second. i don’t think Hughes is fat off dahlin but we will see. i don’t pettersson is going to get 100 Pts nor do I think it would make him generational if he did. barzal got 86 Pts in his FIRST season and most people don’t even list him in the top 15 centers let alone forwards let alone players. he would definitely be in the conversation and was one of the top ten players in the game with generational potential but one season doesent make anyone generational. i agree with what you said about draisaitl. If he makes 100 pts this season he will be the 8th player ever to do it before age 22. 4 of the 7 that did it or generational. Ovechekin never did it. Not sure what’s hard to get that “if” big “if” but could get it he would definitely should be in the discussion because like mentioned before check out the list of players that have done it before 22. Also compare their line mates. EP has let’s face it not much help on the forwards line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 20 hours ago, Krzysl said: Mcdavid became the 7th player in history to make 100pts befor the age of 22 elias “if” he hits 100 before 22 he will be 8th putting him in the discussion of generational, ovie didn’t make that list. Among the list Wayne, Mario , Sid , Mcdavid, Umm what? Ovie hit 105 in his rookie season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GritGrinder Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Krzysl said: If he makes 100 pts this season he will be the 8th player ever to do it before age 22. 4 of the 7 that did it or generational. Ovechekin never did it. Not sure what’s hard to get that “if” big “if” but could get it he would definitely should be in the discussion because like mentioned before check out the list of players that have done it before 22. Also compare their line mates. EP has let’s face it not much help on the forwards line. Orr, Bossy, Trottier, Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, Anderson, Coffey, Hawerchuk, Yzerman, Lemieux, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, McDavid...here are 15 players that had 100pt+ seasons before 22 or during the season they turned 22. There are probably a few more so its probably closer to 20 if I did a bit more digging. Found more...Savard, Ciccarelli, Pederson, Robitaille, Carson, Sakic, Turgeon, Brown, Roenick, Bure, Kariya, Staal, Jagr had 99pts at 21 and missed 2 games. A few others would be here too but most rookies were 20-21 in the 60's and 70's for example, Marcel Dionne had 121pts at age 23 in his 4th season but didn't even get drafted until he was 20. 27 and counting... Edited November 27, 2019 by GritGrinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzysl Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 hours ago, knucklehead91 said: Umm what? Ovie hit 105 in his rookie season Yeah I read the article wrong. It was players to record 100 pts twice before the age of 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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