RowdyCanuck Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Darius said: disagree. boeser sees the ice well and is a fabulous passer. He processes the game at a higher level than Jake virtanen. More over you take on how BB is a perimeter player is flawed. his wrist shot has been lacking this year and most of his goals have come in from the ugly areas. But isn't Brock paid to be petey's finisher? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Darius said: disagree. boeser sees the ice well and is a fabulous passer. He processes the game at a higher level than Jake virtanen. More over you take on how BB is a perimeter player is flawed. his wrist shot has been lacking this year and most of his goals have come in from the ugly areas. One dimensional means offense only 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, RowdyCanuck said: But isn't Brock paid to be petey's finisher? sure...you mean he had a problem scoring? 22 years old on a 30 goal pace....sounds bad eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, stawns said: One dimensional means offense only 22 years old Defence can be taught. Offence is a gift. Some of you guys are talking like the kid is 30 and wont improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Darius said: sure...you mean he had a problem scoring? 22 years old on a 30 goal pace....sounds bad eh? The vast majority of those goals came in the first quarter of the season. His goal scoring has fallen off a cliff since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Darius said: 22 years old Defence can be taught. Offence is a gift. Some of you guys are talking like the kid is 30 and wont improve. If he doesn't drastically improve his skating, he likely won't improve a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, stawns said: The vast majority of those goals came in the first quarter of the season. His goal scoring has fallen off a cliff since yeah we should have traded horvat when he was 22 and went through major dry spells. im sure you would have traded kesler and the Sedins at 22 also for their inconsistencies....come on man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, stawns said: If he doesn't drastically improve his skating, he likely won't improve a whole lot. you mean how like the sedins couldnt skate....or even a guy like tkachuk in calgary cant skate....probably wont improve... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Darius said: you mean how like the sedins couldnt skate....or even a guy like tkachuk in calgary cant skate....probably wont improve... You're comparing Boeser to the twins? Oy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Darius said: yeah we should have traded horvat when he was 22 and went through major dry spells. im sure you would have traded kesler and the Sedins at 22 also for their inconsistencies....come on man... Horvat has been a top faceoff guy and elite defensive fwd from almost day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, stawns said: You're comparing Boeser to the twins? Oy nope, just saying that being an average skater cant be used as a barometer of success... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Darius said: 22 years old Defence can be taught. Offence is a gift. Some of you guys are talking like the kid is 30 and wont improve. And I do agree defence can be taught. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, stawns said: Horvat has been a top faceoff guy and elite defensive fwd from almost day one. no he hasnt. he has gone through a major learning curve...a few years back he had an attrocious plus minus and was getting schooled when Sutter wasnt around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, stawns said: And I do agree defence can be taught. haha, we agree on one thing.... i guess we wont agree on most things when it comes to BB. no problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Darius said: sure...you mean he had a problem scoring? 22 years old on a 30 goal pace....sounds bad eh? Not if you Look pasted the stats..... brock is a good player no one has said different. But he doesn't have the speed to play on that top line. Jake does and is the better all around player imo. Brock reminds of the Sedins. They need mostly ozone time and they D game is average cause of their foot speed. All we pointed out is if Jake plays like a first line player with petey for the rest of the season and playoffs and if Brock can't handle playing on the third line then how will he handle playing with bo? The whole team now plays a speed game and that's not brocks friend.....his best year came when we still had the Sedins and Brock plays a similar style.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, stawns said: And I do agree defence can be taught. 100% agree. But some guys have low defensive understanding, so (even though) teaching them D doesn’t mean they will ever be any good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Not if you Look pasted the stats..... brock is a good player no one has said different. But he doesn't have the speed to play on that top line. Jake does and is the better all around player imo. Brock reminds of the Sedins. They need mostly ozone time and they D game is average cause of their foot speed. All we pointed out is if Jake plays like a first line player with petey for the rest of the season and playoffs and if Brock can't handle playing on the third line then how will he handle playing with bo? The whole team now plays a speed game and that's not brocks friend.....his best year came when we still had the Sedins and Brock plays a similar style.... he doesnt have the speed to play on that top line? Is that why that line has been rocking most of the year and the kid was on nearly a ppg pace? You have to show that Jake improves that line. He has played fine, and im happy for that, but 5 games (mostly on a home stand) is way too short of a sample size. I think if you offered up Brock or Jake from this roster to every team in the league and told them you can only pick one the vast majority of GMs would take Brock hands down. Just my opinion...Jake has a ways to go before he takes over.... Edited January 29, 2020 by Darius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Darius said: he doesnt have the speed to play on that top line? Is that why that line has been rocking most of the year and the kid was on nearly a ppg pace? You have to show that Jake improves that line. He has played fine, and im happy for that, but 5 games is way too short of a sample size. I think if you offered up Brock or Jake from this roster to every team in the league and told them you can only pick one the vast majority of GMs would take Brock hands down. Just my opinion...Jake has a ways to go before he takes over.... I don't think so.......I think he has been trending this way all along and was able to develop his 200ft game at the same time. He's due for a new contract and this is his audition to be a top 6 fwd. I do believe BB will move to the Bo line eventually, but I don't think it's necessarily a good fit either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Darius said: he doesnt have the speed to play on that top line? Is that why that line has been rocking most of the year and the kid was on nearly a ppg pace? You have to show that Jake improves that line. He has played fine, and im happy for that, but 5 games is way too short of a sample size. I think if you offered up Brock or Jake from this roster to every team in the league and told them you can only pick one the vast majority of GMs would take Brock hands down. Just my opinion...Jake has a ways to go before he takes over.... Has jakes speed not made that line more dangous? also read the whole post! I said await until after the season so that means the draft smart one ! Your right cause a lot Gms will point at petey and say his making Jake a top line player just like how Tom Wilson or Brandon Saad or Andrew Ladd were top players...... brock has more market value and if Brock doesn't improve or shows maybe a different play style would fit him better then why not trade him? cause in theory Jake would be our top rw and Brock would be our third.......so we would only have to fill a third line spot and we would probably add a good young D man.....so where's the holes in the roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, stawns said: I don't think so.......I think he has been trending this way all along and was able to develop his 200ft game at the same time. He's due for a new contract and this is his audition to be a top 6 fwd. I do believe BB will move to the Bo line eventually, but I don't think it's necessarily a good fit either. Hey I fully admit i may be out to lunch here because I do appreciate some of you other observations but right now I see that top line winger position as BB. Jake could be a very good second line player or a wicked 3rd line defensive guy that can burn you but I dont see the top tier processing power required to play with EP. just my take and i could be fully wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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