[Discussion] *BOOM* It's Been Blown Up, Who Goes, What's The Value?

[Guest]

JT Miller for 1st round, 3rd round pick 

Motte for 2nd round, 5th round pick 

Hamonic for 2nd round, 3rd round pick 

Boeser for top 4 D + 1st round pick 

 

[Canuck Luck]

20 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

JT Miller for 1st round, 3rd round pick 

Motte for 2nd round, 5th round pick 

Hamonic for 2nd round, 3rd round pick 

Boeser for top 4 D + 1st round pick 

 

Uhhh...

 

Miller is worth more now.

Motte...yea maybe.

Hamonic...yea maybe.

Boeser is worth that.

 

Mainly Miller that should def get more back.

[Junkyard Dog]

Keep the youngsters in Petey/Hughes/Pod/Hog/Demko/prospects and maybe Boeser. Soft/short rebuild for two years

 

Horvat/Miller would be the first guys I would be moving. Miller/Horvat would be the guys netting you a lot. You can also retain cap on Horvat/Miller to maximize return. At less than 3M each for two playoff runs playoff teams would be lining up with interest for them. Without Horvat and Miller you can definitely look toward top 5 picks the next two years. 

 

Boeser would be the next guy to consider but he's young enough to keep around if we choose to.

 

Next I would look to dump OEL somewhere. Not because he's bad, he's been great, but for the cap moving forward. Maybe Boston is willing to take him off our hands.

 

Pearson, Hamonic and Garland would be the next three I would be looking to move. That can be done in the 2022-23 season though since we'll need bodies this year and they are still under contract for a while.

 

The goal would be to accumulate picks for the 2022/2023 drafts, prospects and shed cap so that we can begin to shape up our roster from 2023-24 and on. We might not be a playoff team right away in 2023-24, barring winning the lotto and nailing free agency in 2023(maybe consider bringing back one of Miller/Bo? we'd have the cap too), but we'd be on the uptrend.

 

Maybe with a new coach/Gm this team turns things around but if that's not this case then we consider this.

[Eddie]

Such a huge problem right now.  We're $&!# - but if we trade a couple of 'core pieces' were likely gonna get $&!#ter for longer - but not $&!# enough to get really high draft picks ( gotta love those last 10 game winning spree's) 

 

Peterson - Boeser are not going to bring in market value on their current form. 

 

Miller and Bo being on above avg expiring contracts is gonna limit the return somewhat also. You will mainly be looking at futures, probably some pretty good picks but- could u get a true 'blue chip' ? Maybe ? But probably one with some risks attached. 

 

I wouldn't trade Petey yet either  too much potential there, You gotta hope worst case he pulls a Nylander and bounces right back next year.  Tho saying that he 'wants to win' Pfffft  - so even if he does bounce back probably doesn't want to go through another rebuild / retool which we will certainly be in if we trade say 3 quality pieces for draft picks. 

 

Boeser might end up being paid too much for what he brings ( he sure is right now). Really hasn't been game breaking since Y1.  He would be a good chip to trade for a quantity over quality type deal, get some pieces to fix the bottom 6, couple of big bodies who can PK, and play Greens beloved Dump and Chase, which would be a realistic return. Mini could be a tempting destination as its his home town and they have a good crop of those kinda players.

 

Miller or Bo would really be of interest to EDM - They gotta be all in this year, and either of those players makes them a good chunk better -  you might get Broberg but would u want him ?  Same with Brannstrom in OTT.  Might be able to get Sillinger for Bo out of COL if they think they can resign him. Kaprizov + a bottom 6 for NYR ? Does that really help us ? Maybe if Kap isn't a bust - which he probably is.

 

Forgot about Garland - While he is one of our few actually form players - he probably gets a good return of picks or players / prospects that can kill pens - might not be a bad move as much as I love the guy, he's another small player on a small team, trying to play dump and chase.  Not a great stategic signing - like adding Schmidtt last year another Offensive D on a team full of them. 

 

No easy wins that make us significantly better before the end of next season at the earliest. Only real options are :
- Complete rebuild again (Trade everyone with value except the ELCs ), which could be another 8+ years of pain

- Try to fix the coaching - at least until some of the core can bounce back enough to get a truely top tier return. 

- Trade even more futures and 'cap dump' for parts that will fix the PK ( Lotto protected First, 3rd, Klimovich, McDonnagh, Mikey D, I would say Woo is off the cards as he is only remaining RHD hope, but management seem to hate him, so probably on the table) - honestly hate the idea of this, but we don't draft and develop well so odds are all these players end up the way of Lind, Gadj, Jake, OJ etc anyway  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Eddie

[Provost]

 

Miller for Edvinsson and a 1st

 

Boeser and Pearson for Kravstov and Braden Schneider

 

Horvat for a 1st and a blue chip prospect 

 

Take back whatever expiring money you need to in order to make it work for this season.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Provost

[Patel Bure]

Patel’s plan:

 

1) Fire Green and hire Claude Julien

 

2) Stay the course between now and trade deadline with the hopes of climbing back in the race.

 

3) If the Canucks are not within striking distance of a playoff spot at the trade deadline, trade the following players in separate deals for 1st round picks and/or elite prospects:  Horvat, Miller, Boeser.   Tyler Myers becomes the new captain.