2023 NHL Entry Draft

[Warhippy]

3 minutes ago, NorthWest_Express said:

Sale at 10 or later isnt even a bad pick though, avoiding scoring European wingers is why we didnt take Nylander or Ehlers

We don't need another long term project winger.  We need defense.  We need quality centres.  We just took Lekkerimaki.  If we had that additional 1st sure, safe pick.  But avoiding points of need have gotten this club to where it is, trading at premiums for pieces of need.

[NorthWest_Express]

Just now, Warhippy said:

We don't need another long term project winger.  We need defense.  We need quality centres.  We just took Lekkerimaki.  If we had that additional 1st sure, safe pick.  But avoiding points of need have gotten this club to where it is, trading at premiums for pieces of need.

Sale is probably 3 years away, ideally between 8-12, Id rather walk away with one of Reinbacher, ASP, Simashev, Danielson, or Dvorsky

[NorthWest_Express]

23 hours ago, Off_The_Schneid! said:

With all the Centers available I wouldn’t be surprised if Benson slipped outside top 10. Barlow seems like a Philly guy 

Benson doesnt make it past 7 yet alone 10, the kid plays like Marner 

[Warhippy]

18 minutes ago, NorthWest_Express said:

Sale is probably 3 years away, ideally between 8-12, Id rather walk away with one of Reinbacher, ASP, Simashev, Danielson, or Dvorsky

That is just it.  He is years away.  With the statement being "we need someone now". "Hughes and Pettersson won't wait" there's little doubt in my mind if he's there we're taking him.  

 

This management group says one thing and does the opposite and while he's not exactly looking like a poor choice, he is not what this team needs to make an impact now or in the next season.  

[Alflives]

18 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

That is just it.  He is years away.  With the statement being "we need someone now". "Hughes and Pettersson won't wait" there's little doubt in my mind if he's there we're taking him.  

 

This management group says one thing and does the opposite and while he's not exactly looking like a poor choice, he is not what this team needs to make an impact now or in the next season.  

With draft picks management is picking guys who have (in their scouting department’s view) the highest ceiling. 
Those picks are the guys we are hoping will come in on cheap contracts in the coming years in supporting roles. If we get lucky and a guy (or two) develop into key core pieces then we can move the aging core guy, or the younger one, for more draft capital. 
This is what we pretty much did with the Bo trade. We replaced a core piece (Bo) with younger core piece. Plus we added a potential support role guy. Smart moves to make us better now and down the road. 

[stawns]

On 3/14/2023 at 12:28 PM, hammertime said:

I mean it's kinda where most public rankings have him late 2nd early 3rd. I do agree though I think he will go mid 2nd somewhere 45-55 at the very least I'd take him there.

 

Its good to have things to be hopeful for since it's a long wait from our 1st to our next pick. Plus I'm bored of talking about the same 10 players. At this time this is my top 14 because I think that's as far as we can drop. So now that I've jinxed it.

 

1 Bedard

2 Michkov There's still a chance

3 Fantilli

4 Carlsson

 

-Best of the rest or essentially the 10 we will pick from 

 

5 Reinbacher - The best fit for us 

6 Benson - The BPA for me his work ethic at both ends and low center of grav say he will translate.   

7 Smith - These are 3 great players  at least 1 of them will be a star. 

 

8 Moore - Speeeeeeeeed

9 Barlow - Goal scoring PWF 

10 Leonard Motor

11 Ritchie Hard mins 2/3C

12 Simashev Big minute D

13 Danielson hard mins 2/3C

14 Axel Pellikka 200 ft right shot PMD

 

Those 3rd's and 4th's we have 5 of em it's kind of a crap shoot there everyone has different boards so I'm putting together a short list of guys I hope we luck into. Some of these guys will be gone but there is a good chance several will be there for us. I think we would love to get 2 NHL players out of those 5 picks or 1 home run. 

 

D's 

Carter Sotheran RHD 

Dylan MacKinnon RHD

Oskar Asplund LHD Overager

Sam Barcik RHD

Eric Pohlkamp RHD

Arttu Karki LHD Doubtful he's there

Kristian Kostandinski LHD Doubtful he's there

 

Bottom 6 C's with upside

Anton Wahlberg C

Juraj Pekarcik LW/C

Jacub Stancl LW/C 

Coulson Pitre C

 

Home run swings who might drop due to size.

Zeb Forsfjall C

Luca Pinelli C

Gracyn Sawchyn C

 

Figure if I make the list I have something to get excited about while I wait for pick 70-75 to roll around. 

Reinbacher at 5?  I just watched the hockey news re-do of their mid season rankings where they had him in the 20's and he didn't change much.

 

I'd be ok with him at 11ish, but #5?

[Nucker 67]

Sandin-Pellikka and Reinbacher will go high, being RDs. I think they may be both gone by the time VAN selects.

 

Maybe one of the top forwards will drop? (Sale, Leonard, Barlow, Cristall, Yager)  Or maybe the lottery will be good to them this time.

 

Not having that 2nd hurts, would've been a nice spot to pick a good D.

[HighOnHockey]

8 hours ago, Warhippy said:

We don't need another long term project winger.  We need defense.  We need quality centres.  We just took Lekkerimaki.  If we had that additional 1st sure, safe pick.  But avoiding points of need have gotten this club to where it is, trading at premiums for pieces of need.

This is the draft thread. Why would you be talking about addressing current positional needs?

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, HighOnHockey said:

This is the draft thread. Why would you be talking about addressing current positional needs?

If we are projecting guys to be NHL contributors 3-5 years after they’re drafted we don’t know what our club will really need then, right? Isn’t that one of the reasons why it’s best to draft the BPA (on the courts’ list) instead of going for a “now” need? Our club will likely have very different needs when the drafted player is ready to play for us anyway. (I think I’m understanding this?)

[HighOnHockey]

On 3/14/2023 at 11:05 AM, Off_The_Schneid! said:

With all the Centers available I wouldn’t be surprised if Benson slipped outside top 10. Barlow seems like a Philly guy 

That would surprise me quite a bit. One of the few prospects in the top ten I haven't seen all that much of, but by all accounts he could be Marner-ish.

 

Barlow does very much seem like a traditional Philly pick, but who knows what direction Briere is going to want to take the team. Then again I'm assuming he'll be using almost entirely the same scouting staff for now so for this draft at least it's unlikely there's too much deviation from the old mentality.

[Nucker 67]

Rate the Cs?

 

Bedard

Fantilli

Carlsson

Smith

Dvorsky

Moore

Yager

 

I wouldn't mind any one of these guys developing for the Canucks

[Rick Blight]

I hope either Smith or Reinbacher is available at our pick or else I would try to trade down a few spots.

[hammertime]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

Reinbacher at 5?  I just watched the hockey news re-do of their mid season rankings where they had him in the 20's and he didn't change much.

 

I'd be ok with him at 11ish, but #5?

Reinbacher is a 6'2 RHD playing huge mins in one of the best mens leagues in the world and putting up .5ppg as a D which put him tied for 20th in the league with 6 fewer games played than the fellow holding 20th. He's got a cannon of a shot skates really well and though not incredibly physical plays very well defensively. This is the team he plays on. Spoiler they're not very good.

1.		Jonathan Ang (C)	52	20	29	49	44	-5	|	3	1	0	1	2	-4
2.		Miro Aaltonen (C)	51	19	30	49	20	1	|	3	0	2	2	2	-3
3.		Arttu Ruotsalainen (C/W)	52	18	24	42	36	-6	|	3	1	0	1	6	-4
4.		Lucas Ekeståhl Jonsson (D)	45	5	25	30	22	-16	|	3	0	2	2	0	-2
5.		Éric Faille (C/RW)	52	10	14	24	12	-12	|	3	0	0	0	0	-3
6.		Marc Marchon (C/RW)	44	11	11	22	61	-4	|	3	0	0	0	31	-3
7.		David Reinbacher (D)	46	3	19	22	26	7	|	3	1	1	2	2	0
8.		Dario Meyer (RW)	40	11	8	19	10	-5	|	3	1	1	2	2	-1
9.		Steve Kellenberger (LW/D)	37	2	12	14	14	13	|	3	0	0	0	4	0
10.		Michael Loosli (W)	49	5	6	11	41	-7	|	3	0	0	0	0	-1
11.		Axel Simic (C/RW)	48	6	3	9	12	-22	|	2	1	0	1	2	0
12.		Harrison Schreiber (C/LW)	39	5	4	9	12	-12	|	3	0	0	0	2	-1
13.		Patrick Obrist (C)	47	5	4	9	10	-5	|	2	0	0	0	0	0
14.		Keanu Derungs (LW)	24	4	5	9	2	0	|	1	0	0	0	0	0
15.		Matteo Nodari (D)	48	3	6	9	28	-14	|
16.		Nicholas Steiner (D)	44	1	7	8	26	-7	|	3	0	0	0	2	-1
17.		Jesper Peltonen (D)	42	3	4	7	10	-14	|	3	0	0	0	4	-3
18.		Martin Ness (C)	47	2	5	7	16	-8	|	3	0	0	0	2	-2
19.		Jordann Bougro (C/RW)	33	1	3	4	6	-11	|	3	0	1	1	0	0
20.		Mischa Ramel (C)	8	1	2	3	0	-1	|	3	0	1	1	0	0
21.		Kevin Lindemann (C)	34	1	2	3	6	-11	|	1	0	0	0	0	0
22.		Flurin Randegger (F/D)	37	0	2	2	20	-7	|	3	0	0	0	0	-1
23.		Simon Kindschi (D)	43	0	2	2	20	-10	|	3	0	0	0	4	-3
24.		Alexei Dostoinov (RW/LW)	7	0	1	1	2	1	|
25.		Luca Capaul (D)	26	0	1	1	14	-8	|
26.		Ramon Knellwolf (F)	0	0	0	0	0	-	|
27.		Jeffrey Füglister (C)	0	0	0	0	0	-	|
28.		Jorden Gähler (D/C)	0	0	0	0	0	-	|
29.		Jordan Schmaltz (D)	3	0	0	0	0	-3	|
30.		Luca Deussen (D)	6	0	0	0	0	-3	|
31.		Niki Altorfer (LW/RW)	13	0	0	0	4	-6	|
32.		Andri Spiller (LW/RW)	20	0	0	0	4	-5	|

 

You will notice that is a lot of minuses however Reinbacher is +7 I think that is notable. We have no need for Benson or Smith though they would be nice to have our team can score it's not like Pete Miller Kuzzmenko are going anywhere. We got Lekkerimaki last year we've got Hoglander, Kravtsov, Raty, Karlsson, McDount, KlimOvie, Aman, Bains fwds in the pipe. 

 

Our D however Petterson Jurmo and thennnnnnnnnn?? 

 

So ya if I am trying to plan for the future wellbeing of the club I take Reinbacher at 5 I feel he has top pairing potential and there aren't 32 top pair rhd in the league. We aren't passing on Tkachuk here we are looking past a couple smallish flashy fwds who aren't really what we need but more in the category of nice to have. If they pan out we have to find room for them and we have no one we can trade for a top pairing RHD it took Bo on pace for 50g to get Hronek.

[hammertime]

1 hour ago, HighOnHockey said:

This is the draft thread. Why would you be talking about addressing current positional needs?

 

I wouldn't say the need is current. More like ongoing. Who are the best RHD in the history of the franchise?

 

What if Naslund had a better C than Morrison? 

Or the Sedins had a PWF?

Or Hughes had Reinbacher? 

Edited March 16, 2023 by hammertime

[stawns]

29 minutes ago, hammertime said:

Reinbacher is a 6'2 RHD playing huge mins in one of the best mens leagues in the world and putting up .5ppg as a D which put him tied for 20th in the league with 6 fewer games played than the fellow holding 20th. He's got a cannon of a shot skates really well and though not incredibly physical plays very well defensively. This is the team he plays on. Spoiler they're not very good.

1.		Jonathan Ang (C)	52	20	29	49	44	-5	|	3	1	0	1	2	-4
2.		Miro Aaltonen (C)	51	19	30	49	20	1	|	3	0	2	2	2	-3
3.		Arttu Ruotsalainen (C/W)	52	18	24	42	36	-6	|	3	1	0	1	6	-4
4.		Lucas Ekeståhl Jonsson (D)	45	5	25	30	22	-16	|	3	0	2	2	0	-2
5.		Éric Faille (C/RW)	52	10	14	24	12	-12	|	3	0	0	0	0	-3
6.		Marc Marchon (C/RW)	44	11	11	22	61	-4	|	3	0	0	0	31	-3
7.		David Reinbacher (D)	46	3	19	22	26	7	|	3	1	1	2	2	0
8.		Dario Meyer (RW)	40	11	8	19	10	-5	|	3	1	1	2	2	-1
9.		Steve Kellenberger (LW/D)	37	2	12	14	14	13	|	3	0	0	0	4	0
10.		Michael Loosli (W)	49	5	6	11	41	-7	|	3	0	0	0	0	-1
11.		Axel Simic (C/RW)	48	6	3	9	12	-22	|	2	1	0	1	2	0
12.		Harrison Schreiber (C/LW)	39	5	4	9	12	-12	|	3	0	0	0	2	-1
13.		Patrick Obrist (C)	47	5	4	9	10	-5	|	2	0	0	0	0	0
14.		Keanu Derungs (LW)	24	4	5	9	2	0	|	1	0	0	0	0	0
15.		Matteo Nodari (D)	48	3	6	9	28	-14	|
16.		Nicholas Steiner (D)	44	1	7	8	26	-7	|	3	0	0	0	2	-1
17.		Jesper Peltonen (D)	42	3	4	7	10	-14	|	3	0	0	0	4	-3
18.		Martin Ness (C)	47	2	5	7	16	-8	|	3	0	0	0	2	-2
19.		Jordann Bougro (C/RW)	33	1	3	4	6	-11	|	3	0	1	1	0	0
20.		Mischa Ramel (C)	8	1	2	3	0	-1	|	3	0	1	1	0	0
21.		Kevin Lindemann (C)	34	1	2	3	6	-11	|	1	0	0	0	0	0
22.		Flurin Randegger (F/D)	37	0	2	2	20	-7	|	3	0	0	0	0	-1
23.		Simon Kindschi (D)	43	0	2	2	20	-10	|	3	0	0	0	4	-3
24.		Alexei Dostoinov (RW/LW)	7	0	1	1	2	1	|
25.		Luca Capaul (D)	26	0	1	1	14	-8	|
26.		Ramon Knellwolf (F)	0	0	0	0	0	-	|
27.		Jeffrey Füglister (C)	0	0	0	0	0	-	|
28.		Jorden Gähler (D/C)	0	0	0	0	0	-	|
29.		Jordan Schmaltz (D)	3	0	0	0	0	-3	|
30.		Luca Deussen (D)	6	0	0	0	0	-3	|
31.		Niki Altorfer (LW/RW)	13	0	0	0	4	-6	|
32.		Andri Spiller (LW/RW)	20	0	0	0	4	-5	|

 

You will notice that is a lot of minuses however Reinbacher is +7 I think that is notable. We have no need for Benson or Smith though they would be nice to have our team can score it's not like Pete Miller Kuzzmenko are going anywhere. We got Lekkerimaki last year we've got Hoglander, Kravtsov, Raty, Karlsson, McDount, KlimOvie, Aman, Bains fwds in the pipe. 

 

Our D however Petterson Jurmo and thennnnnnnnnn?? 

 

So ya if I am trying to plan for the future wellbeing of the club I take Reinbacher at 5 I feel he has top pairing potential and there aren't 32 top pair rhd in the league. We aren't passing on Tkachuk here we are looking past a couple smallish flashy fwds who aren't really what we need but more in the category of nice to have. If they pan out we have to find room for them and we have no one we can trade for a top pairing RHD it took Bo on pace for 50g to get Hronek.

I'll be happy if they grab DR, mostly because they're probably going to be picking 10-12 and I think that's an ok spot for a reasonable risk.  However, with the quality of fwds in the top 10, I wouldnt be happy if they picked him at #5, or any spot in the top.

 

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, HighOnHockey said:

This is the draft thread. Why would you be talking about addressing current positional needs?

Why would you not draft for positional need? Do you feel as though there is a better place to speak about drafting for positional needs?

 

As we have only drafted 6-7 RHD since 2004.  I think it's kind of essential to star considering these issues.

Edited March 16, 2023 by Warhippy

[Warhippy]

24 minutes ago, hammertime said:

 

I wouldn't say the need is current. More like ongoing. Who are the best RHD in the history of the franchise?

 

What if Naslund had a better C than Morrison? 

Or the Sedins had a PWF?

Or Hughes had Reinbacher? 

Bang on.  It's been an ongoing need for almost 20 years.  RHD and RHC.  one look at our draft history kind of highlights why we continue to try the bargain bins for players at these positions.

 

If we are not drafting them, then we are trading for them at a disadvantage and inflated cost.

[hammertime]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

Bang on.  It's been an ongoing need for almost 20 years.  RHD and RHC.  one look at our draft history kind of highlights why we continue to try the bargain bins for players at these positions.

 

If we are not drafting them, then we are trading for them at a disadvantage and inflated cost.

Also maybe why we have never lifted a cup. We couldn't get the players we needed when we needed them to put us over the hump. 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[stawns]

10 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Why would you not draft for positional need? Do you feel as though there is a better place to speak about drafting for positional needs?

 

As we have only drafted 6-7 RHD since 2004.  I think it's kind of essential to star considering these issues.

You don't go way off board just to pick for positional need when you're drafting in the top 10, imo.