spook007 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 53 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: I know. All these media guys have to stop talking about contracts. Its all we here about. I miss the days when you rarely heard about what a player was making. Now you have families and players wives, moms and dads involved deciding how much they should earn. This isnt what sport is about. You never heard about contract talk from greats like yzerman, sakic, lemeuix, kariya, the list goes on. Agree 100%... Now its all about the earnings, so the fans can hate them a little more if it goes pear shaped... First thing is always ' at that salary he should do better"... and while probably true, the player only makes, what the club signed him for... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, stawns said: You sell, for sure, but you don't sell on the young players with their prime years ahead of them and you don't sell on players who play key ropes that you don't have replacements for. You can sell on miller without taking a massive step backwards because there are players who can fill that role. You don't sell on Bo because there is no one on the team or in the system to fill that role and they'd be taking a massive, likely catastrophic step backward by doing so. I'd sell everyone on the current 2nd and 3rd lines plus any defenders anyone wanted expect Hughes. I look at EPs line like our 1st regardless how Bruce lays it out. I'll never see BO leaving as catastrophic. If we walks yes? But to not expect atleast TWO major pieces coming back is just silly. As our younger guys we won't trade start to ascend, the two pieces will prove to have soooo much more value than BO as a inflated dollar and term rate Edited November 6, 2022 by Mustard Tiger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, BigTramFan said: My point is not whether winning faceoffs are important. More that if you shouldn't be paying someone $7-8m x 8 years for just their faceoff ability, i.e. do we want a $7.5m Beagle? Well Bo brings significantly more than just faceoff ability so it's a moot point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Sign Bo, Kuzmenko, trade Miller for top 4 dman prospect pick, Boeser/Garland for pick/prospect/checking C, Myers for pick/retention if needed. If we can move on from those other fwds for solid enough value that greatly improves our prospect pool...I understand and also keep BO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: I'd sell everyone on the current 2nd and 3rd lines plus any defenders anyone wanted expect Hughes. I look at EPs line like our 1st regardless how Bruce lays it out. I'll never see BO leaving as catastrophic. If we walks yes? But to not expect atleast TWO major pieces coming back is just silly. As our younger guys we won't trade start to ascend, they two pieces will prove to have soooo much more value than BO as a inflated dollar and term rate Yes we may see two big pieces at least come back and hopefully more... However was that not the same with Miller? I do agree and expect a great haul if Bo leaves. He is amongst the leagues best scorers now, and very good at FO's... but we never know for sure, what tomorrow brings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, Mustard Tiger said: If we can move on from those other fwds for solid enough value that greatly improves our prospect pool...I understand and also keep BO Yeah, I’d like that group moved for a top 4 defenseman, checking forward that can play C. Then Picks and prospects for the rest. See if this season can be salvaged but be better long term too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Yeah, I’d like that group moved for a top 4 defenseman, checking forward that can play C. Then Picks and prospects for the rest. See if this season can be salvaged but be better long term too. Being the most important part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: I'd sell everyone on the current 2nd and 3rd lines plus any defenders anyone wanted expect Hughes. I look at EPs line like our 1st regardless how Bruce lays it out. I'll never see BO leaving as catastrophic. If we walks yes? But to not expect atleast TWO major pieces coming back is just silly. As our younger guys we won't trade start to ascend, the two pieces will prove to have soooo much more value than BO as a inflated dollar and term rate One of the most prolific scorers in the league, captain, one of the most prolific face off guys in the league. You think there's someone to replace that in this org? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, spook007 said: Yes we may see two big pieces at least come back and hopefully more... However was that not the same with Miller? I do agree and expect a great haul if Bo leaves. He is amongst the leagues best scorers now, and very good at FO's... but we never know for sure, what tomorrow brings. And you're not going to get that back in a trade and they don't have it within the org. In a league where possession is key, moving one of the top face off guys in the league seems like a ticket to another decade of futility 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Well Bo brings significantly more than just faceoff ability so it's a moot point. Well now you're changing the conversation to what Bo brings now, when the conversation was what sort of game he will play in the last 3 years of a new 8 year contract (age 34-36). This is what happens when you jump into a conversation without reading the previous posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, BigTramFan said: My point is not whether winning faceoffs are important. More that if you shouldn't be paying someone $7-8m x 8 years for just their faceoff ability, i.e. do we want a $7.5m Beagle? Also currently one of the most prolific goal scorers in the league........on top of being one of the top face off guys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, stawns said: And you're not going to get that back in a trade and they don't have it within the org. In a league where possession is key, moving one of the top face off guys in the league seems like a ticket to another decade of futility If its a choice between Miller and Bo, Bo stays... My response were more towards all the trade proposals/expectations of offer for Miller leading up to the TDL and Summer... Think a lot of folks here found out that despite Miller having a cracking year, other teams weren't prepared to offer their futures to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: Also currently one of the most prolific goal scorers in the league........on top of being one of the top face off guys And when his offense dries up due to age related decline he will still be a top faceoff guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, BigTramFan said: And when his offense dries up due to age related decline he will still be a top faceoff guy Yup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 minute ago, BigTramFan said: And when his offense dries up due to age related decline he will still be a top faceoff guy Yup. We have seen what Miller will be as he ages. Now imagine his play this year without him picking up points. Oh dear... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, BigTramFan said: Well now you're changing the conversation to what Bo brings now, when the conversation was what sort of game he will play in the last 3 years of a new 8 year contract (age 34-36). This is what happens when you jump into a conversation without reading the previous posts. I think Bo brings more both now and in the last 3 years of a contract compared to JT. Significantly more. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Shayster007 said: Yup. We have seen what Miller will be as he ages. Now imagine his play this year without him picking up points. Oh dear... I think Miller's offense will continue through his declining years (but obviously it will decline over time) because of the sort of game he plays and what his skill set is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 With simply the kids in the system and what's hopefully a top 5 pick this year.. KUZ-EP-MIK 23'1st-BO-McDonough Karlsson/Hogs-???-Podz Joshua-Aman-Lockwood I really belive in AM. I would like to give him / karlsson / podz real offensive opportunity. The problem would be this doesn't really fix our need for defensive fwds unless that 3c is a godsend lol. I'm also not super convinced hogs will be a mainstay either but simply going off who's in the system right now. 3 years from now we are probably looking at adding lekki as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Surprising EP didn't get even a pt last game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Rathbone sweetener, easy. He won’t get used here as long as we have Quinn. Yuppers. Been sayin it for 2 yrs. Cant have 2 undersized defensive liabilities in your 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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