[PGT] Montreal Canadiens at Vancouver Canucks | Dec. 05, 2022

[canuck73_3]

Just now, Alflives said:

Again prove you’re opinion with evidence.  Because during this year of JR all the evidence is actually to the contrary.  He is 100% following Aquilini’s “win now” direction.  

Look at Rutherfords career and tell me he’s coming here in his seventies to be a fking puppet. Case closed. 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

I still think a player like Carlo who is expendable would be a good fit here.

I like Carlo too, but is he going to get better?  Maybe we need younger guys who will improve over the next couple years so our team is better in time?  Maybe it’s best to take a couple steps back now do we can be a better club down the road?  

[Zerofaith]

2 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

-  Our #1 Goalie is having a bad year because of an un-healed injury... now he's out

 

-  We only have one defenseman playing like a legitimate top 4 D... that being Hughes.  OEL and Myers are not playing up to their salaries... playing like #5's.  Rest are 6/7's except maybe Bear who is also a #5.

 

-  We have a p*ss poor defensive system... the forwards are not backchecking or covering their assignments. 

 

-  Whole team is collapsing to the net far too soon at even strength... as if they are in the PK...  leaving other teams with plenty of time and space.

 

-  No system to break up opposing team's cycle game... which kills us.

The biggest thing o noticed is they usually glide past their check 

[ShawnAntoski]

21 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

There is actually a middle ground. I’m also not going to jump to conclusions on either side literally 1 year to inheriting this mess. 
 

Your pessimistic view is just as flawed as your rosy view you accuse me of with all due respect. 

I was like you for almost 40 years, as a fan and the current state of the team: in NHL PURGATORY, will only extend the cup drought due to Aquamans shortsigthedness.  I am merely looking at the yearly results & the decisions, that led to this mess; and your rosy optimistism, is not supported by the yearly results cause the yearly results are not improving or building on something - unlike, SOME of the rebuilding clubs that are ready to compete for a Cup.

 

Anyways, I wasn't trying to change your mind cause I was in it, only for the discussion and it is obvious where you stand, despite the obvious mess the team, is in: no cups for the foreseeable future.

Edited December 6, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[cripplereh]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

I like Carlo too, but is he going to get better?  Maybe we need younger guys who will improve over the next couple years so our team is better in time?  Maybe it’s best to take a couple steps back now do we can be a better club down the road?  

Well he hits and is big,can play tons of minutes.If we trade Myers he would be an upgrade.

[chon derry]

4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

What win now moves have been made? So far zilch. He’s beefed up our top 9 and acquired 2 depth dmen and one was a throw in contract for a cap dump. 
 

None of those moves are “win now”

Theres been perifaral/place holder moves which are meh. These only provide him the time needed for other moves hopefully to address to glaring problem on the back end. Like you said the forward group look not to bad. But securing horvat outweighs keeping boeser/kozmenko/garland. These types aren’t that hard to replace. 

[ShawnAntoski]

22 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Again prove you’re opinion with evidence.  Because during this year of JR all the evidence is actually to the contrary.  He is 100% following Aquilini’s “win now” direction.  

The power of short term deals 

Edited December 6, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[cripplereh]

Me for next year on the back end,trade Myers as there has been interest, trade for Carlo and ask Johansson the rhd we signed from minni to join the team as he is a defensive specialist.  Our rhd will be set with them two and Bear.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Well free agents can only be unrestricted at 27, 26 if they started at 18. But an unproven fwd from Russia, a third liner and a dman that was a healthy scratch for 2 weeks are not win now moves. At all. 

Why aren’t they “win now” moves?  Mik is 27 and paid very well.  Kuz Missile is 26.  (Great signing). But it’s only a one and done.  If we are interested in building a better future we will trade Kuz at the TDL.  If we don’t, then we risk losing him for nothing.  Lazar and other bottom six signings are all at their ceilings.  These are all moves to help us “win now”.  

All our coming UFAs, who have value, should be traded for young assets/ picks if we are going away from the “win now” direction, including Bo and Kuz Missile.  

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Look at Rutherfords career and tell me he’s coming here in his seventies to be a fking puppet. Case closed. 

Actually, JR is a hockey lifer.  He wanted to stay in the game in a prominent role.  As evidence this is important to him, look at how often he does interviews.  He loves being in an important role.  Now present facts to the contrary.  

[canuck73_3]

Just now, Alflives said:

Why aren’t they “win now” moves?  Mik is 27 and paid very well.  Kuz Missile is 26.  (Great signing). But it’s only a one and done.  If we are interested in building a better future we will trade Kuz at the TDL.  If we don’t, then we risk losing him for nothing.  Lazar and other bottom six signings are all at their ceilings.  These are all moves to help us “win now”.  

All our coming UFAs, who have value, should be traded for young assets/ picks if we are going away from the “win now” direction, including Bo and Kuz Missile.  

4th liners aren’t win now moves, depth dmen aren’t win now moves. And 1 top 9 fwd and 1 free “prospect” from Russia are not win now moves. Period. 
 

We may even end up flipping Kuzmenko at the deadline. So again not a win now move…

[canuck73_3]

Just now, Alflives said:

Actually, JR is a hockey lifer.  He wanted to stay in the game in a prominent role.  As evidence this is important to him, look at how often he does interviews.  He loves being in an important role.  Now present facts to the contrary.  

I have, look at his legacy ffs. 

[canuck73_3]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Actually, JR is a hockey lifer.  He wanted to stay in the game in a prominent role.  As evidence this is important to him, look at how often he does interviews.  He loves being in an important role.  Now present facts to the contrary.  

You’ve presented nothing but speculation. We don’t know the actual extent of Aquilini meddling or if it exists at all. There is zero proof given on your side other than your speculation. 

[cripplereh]

Well there's always Klingberg for us to make cap room and sign next year,lol

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

4th liners aren’t win now moves, depth dmen aren’t win now moves. And 1 top 9 fwd and 1 free “prospect” from Russia are not win now moves. Period. 
 

We may even end up flipping Kuzmenko at the deadline. So again not a win now move…

They aren’t “win now” moves if the term is one year, and their cap is cheap so we can trade them at the TDL for futures.  Otherwise they are “win now” moves.

again it’s going to be what we see in actions coming up to the TDL that determine if JR is allowed to divert from Aquilini’s “win now” direction.  Because so far every move has been following the “win now” direction.  

[cripplereh]

I think Brock is domino number 1 but after that there should be more.

 

I fear will be forwards coming back and our D will stay the same unless another trade happens.

[canuck73_3]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

They aren’t “win now” moves if the term is one year, and their cap is cheap so we can trade them at the TDL for futures.  Otherwise they are “win now” moves.

again it’s going to be what we see in actions coming up to the TDL that determine if JR is allowed to divert from Aquilini’s “win now” direction.  Because so far every move has been following the “win now” direction.  

We needed speed in the top 9 Mikheyev and Kuzmenko tick that box. 
 

We needed anyone who can play defence enter Bear. 
 

Realistically and objectively those are not win now moves. The roster needs NHL players too. 
 

There is a middle ground here is not win now or bust. 

[ShawnAntoski]

11 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

4th liners aren’t win now moves, depth dmen aren’t win now moves. And 1 top 9 fwd and 1 free “prospect” from Russia are not win now moves. Period. 
 

We may even end up flipping Kuzmenko at the deadline. So again not a win now move…

Alf, is emphasizing the age of the players vs their position

[Angry Goose]

3 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

Me for next year on the back end,trade Myers as there has been interest, trade for Carlo and ask Johansson the rhd we signed from minni to join the team as he is a defensive specialist.  Our rhd will be set with them two and Bear.

Mgmt 100 percent wants to give the supporting cast a different look.  As time goes on those moves hopefully become easier. The more they lose the harder it gets to do that.

 

I hope the team wins and the team can start making trades.  And I love bruce but Im not sure the loosey goosey play is entirely on the roster.  It’s so aggressive that with a really good team it could be a difference maker but right now Im not sure it works. It’s pretty clear he is gone tho unless they win the cup lol 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

You’ve presented nothing but speculation. We don’t know the actual extent of Aquilini meddling or if it exists at all. There is zero proof given on your side other than your speculation. 

I’m saying, and never have, that Aquino meddles in hockey ops.  I do suggest he sets the direction which is to “win now”.  So his management will follow that direction and make moves in hopes of “winning now” even at the cost of futures.  And the proof is very apparent.  It’s been pointed out many times.  Nonis said in his recent interview he wouldn’t sacrifice the future to get Brad Richards in a “win now” move.  He was fired.  Then every move by management till now has been following that same direction.  If questioned, that person is replaced.  Now JR is following the same orders.  And his actions show that.  We will know for sure if Aquilini will finally smarten up and allow moves that aren’t “win now” as we approach the coming TDL.  If Bo, Kuz, are moved for futures then JR has the reins and we can look forward to a better future.  IMHAO I don’t think our owner will allow it though.