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#3271 Silverboarder25

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:17 PM

I'm sure Burrows feel fine. $2 million a season is still a lot of money. Most of us make only $70,000 a year. If anything, I think Kesler should donate a million to charity like the Sedins.



Do they really? Any source? Not that I don't believe you I'm just curious on the details of it.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:19 PM

Screw the money. He's probably ecstatic that Kes is sticking around long term.


Do they really? Any source? Not that I don't believe you I'm just curious on the details of it.


Um....it happened a week and a half ago. Both the Sedins donated 1.5mil combined to BC children's hospital.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:25 PM

Why dont you go ask him



5M seems about right.

To be honest, I really think alot of teams (Edm, Floridia, Toronto) would be be willing to dish out 6.5 M for a big, gritty, first line center....
which Kesler has proven he's capable of doing, even under the shadow of H.Sedin.

At this point in time, R.Kesler = or > M.Richards.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:46 PM

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:50 PM

Given that the average salary in BC is around $42,000, "most" of us don't make $70,000.

aww thats sad, haha
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:57 PM

well if anything, kesler's best friend burrows took a pay cut of 1-2mil for him, it all evens out.
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haha... i want friends like that :)
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 03:00 PM

ya actually burrows must feel like crap right now, i remember kes is the one saying everyone should take a pay cut to keep a good team together, then burr signs for 2 mil. Then, BOOM kesler 5 mil. Which to me is a debatable deal. It's probably his market value without a hometown discount. So... i donno... if he wasn't gonna take a discount contract then don't start the talk in the first place.
Not taking away from the player that he is but i feel like he is a lot of talk both on and off the ice.

On a side note, anyone know how much BMO took during the westcoast express years?


Kes could of easily got 6 mil or more. im guessing burke would of offered him 6.5 a year
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 03:21 PM

Just cause he's undrafted doesn't mean he is not a good player and should settle for less. Dan Boyle is undrafted but he is hella good and making 6.7 a year.
My point is, kesler tells everyone that they should take a pay cut to keep the team together, but he is the one not holding true to his own word.

First of all Kesler made his comments after Burrows signed his deal. And he wasn't telling other players to take a discount, he was commending Burrows on not trying to max out his salary, and taking a fair deal that would allow the team to compete for a cup. He mentioned that is something that he would consider as well. The media decided to spin it to say he was telling the Sedins they should come to an agreement for less.

People assumed that he would be taken a discount on what he would be worth then (Take 3.5-4 when he was worth 4-4.5). But his agent and him probably decided to come to a fair deal based on how he preformed this season.

I would have liked him at a little smaller contract given that he is the number 2 Centre on our depth charts, but I'm certain he would have received and offer sheet in the range of 5.5 to 6. This way we get him at a little less, and get him for the term we want. Unfortunately we may need to sacrifice one or more of Raymond, Bernier, Bieksa, or Mitchell.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 03:24 PM

First of all Kesler made his comments after Burrows signed his deal.


Good point, I forgot about that.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 04:35 PM

Beleive it or not, 5mil is a discount. Kesler could have went for 5.75mil for sure on the open market, even 6mil.

Lets look at a few recent center position signings..

Stajan - 3.5mil
Antropov - 4mil
Vermette - 3.75mil
Kessel - 5.4mil

For what Kesler brings, 5mil is a great deal. He's on pace for 76 points, it's not likely he's going to sign a cheap donkey deal and if he does it won't be for 6 years. This is very fair for both sides and I'm glad they got a deal done.




After looking at that stat, I have no problem with Kesler making 5 million a year, I mean seriously would rather save a million a year and have Antropov or Stajan instead, I think not.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 04:37 PM

Happy or a little jealous?


Stupid.

Oh i'm sorry, that's how you should feel for making this thread.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 05:15 PM

Before Burrows played with the Sedins he was a third-liner. A third-liner wouldn't make $2M. Well, Bernier is getting $2M, but he's younger and has potential.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 06:37 PM

You guys seem to think that your fellow Canuck players can do no wrong and do not harbour any semblance of characteristics that most people look down on.
If I were Burrows I would be happy that Kesler got a raise but at the same time I would be jealous that he is making so much more than I am. If the difference was 1 million then I would be ok because clearly Kesler is a bet overall player. However that is not the case. Kesler will be making over two times what Burrows is making. I'd be mad at MG and jealous at Kesler.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 06:43 PM

Who cares. They are both millionaires playing a game for a living.


They should be asking me how I feel payin 8 bucks for a beer, and 150 bucks for a ticket

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 07:28 PM

Burrows signed his 2 M/yr contract when he was on a career high 12 goals. He did not have the resume of a 3-time 20 goal scorer.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 07:36 PM

Burrows feels exactly the same way Zach Parise does for scoring 94pts last season while getting paid 3.4mil/season, silly...
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 09:08 PM

ya actually burrows must feel like crap right now, i remember kes is the one saying everyone should take a pay cut to keep a good team together, then burr signs for 2 mil. Then, BOOM kesler 5 mil. Which to me is a debatable deal. It's probably his market value without a hometown discount. So... i donno... if he wasn't gonna take a discount contract then don't start the talk in the first place.
Not taking away from the player that he is but i feel like he is a lot of talk both on and off the ice.

On a side note, anyone know how much BMO took during the westcoast express years?



Kesler (5 mil) is 10th on the scoring list 66pts for centerman,centerman ahead of him Malkin 8.7 69pts,Stastny 6.6mil 70pts,Kopitar 6.8mil 71pts, Richards 7.8 mil 77pts,Thorton 7.2mil 82pts, Stamkos3.75mil rfa 2011/2012--play wing or center???, Backstrom 2.4 mil ufa 87pts, Crosby 8.7 mil 87pts, Sedin 6.1 mil 94 pts


Considering that kesler plays 2nd line minutes compared to all those guys playing 1st line minutes he is a super bargin....and can anybody on that list touch him --two way????

overall he is 21st overall less one dman he is 20th overall...less both Sedins (on his team)he is 18th overall---smokin deal

another way to look at it. Crosby,Malkin 17.4mil Ovie,semin(backstrom next year) 15 mil,
Chi Kane Toews 12.6mil, Sedin,kesler 11.1 mil-----all long contracts except the van duo
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 09:21 PM

Quick!Everyone in Vancouver give Burrows $5 each.:frantic:

But honestly even though we don't know him in person, Burrows seems like he'd be thankful for what he has. All the more reason to support Burr

Edited by Adikt, 19 March 2010 - 09:21 PM.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 09:50 PM

Happy or a little jealous?


Underpaid.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 09:51 PM

Who cares. They are both millionaires playing a game for a living.


Good point. I guess in the grand scheme Burr can find some way to get by on 2mil per, huh?
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 09:51 PM

Don't think he really cares, he's happy for him. He bounced around the ECHL and went through so much, I'm pretty sure he's just happy to be playing in the NHL.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 10:08 PM

Happy or a little jealous?



Kes, Sedins and Lu will shoulder all the tabs for dinners, meals, night outs, etc Posted Image
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 10:23 PM

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 10:42 PM

You guys seem to think that your fellow Canuck players can do no wrong and do not harbour any semblance of characteristics that most people look down on.
If I were Burrows I would be happy that Kesler got a raise but at the same time I would be jealous that he is making so much more than I am. If the difference was 1 million then I would be ok because clearly Kesler is a bet overall player. However that is not the case. Kesler will be making over two times what Burrows is making. I'd be mad at MG and jealous at Kesler.


I think the beauty of a guy like Burrows is that he possesses the class and the character to set those feelings aside, and to separate any feelings he does have in that regard, from his game, from what he brings to the rink day in and day out, and from his loyalty and commitment to his team mates. As burrows himself said, championship teams and legacy teams all have a core group, a nucleus of guys that carry it through it's good years. Burr seems genuinely anxious to be a part of bringing long term success to Vancouver. A family of players is growing and Burrows is happy about being part of the core and the family. He knows he'll get his share over time.

How can anybody not love a guy like Burrows? His interview about Kes's signing is all class and professionalism. At risk of sounding like a bandwaggoner, I myself am startiing to believe that this IS THE group that will eventually bring the Cup home. It's not just the players. It's the whole organization. From the owners, to the coaches, to the marketers and to the fans, they all contribute to making and creating a culture of winning and of success. This kind of organization can build players as much as players can build this organization. Initiatives like bring a guy like Walters in as a leadership specialist per say are bringing great dividends. Players who come here can get better. Not only better but the organization can build players into the best that they can be. Erhoff, for example. Maybe even Alberts will become something better than he's ever been.

It's just great to see. Vancouver deserves it. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Vancouver remains a top level team for some time to come. Burrows is as genuinely excited about being a part of that as anybody. And I don't think he has any reason to think he won't be rewarded for that.

Edited by Fin_dawg, 19 March 2010 - 10:44 PM.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 10:51 PM

Kesler is his good friend and teammate. He won't be jealous, but happy.


Each one of them can afford to buy each other lunch for the next five years. IMO Burrows will only be happy for Kesler and vice-versa when Burr signs his next contract.

Why are we on CDC worrying about these things. Gillis and Gilman are paid to look after all this stuff and they haven't done a bad job to date. Posted Image
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 10:56 PM

I think the beauty of a guy like Burrows is that he possesses the class and the character to set those feelings aside, and to separate any feelings he does have in that regard, from his game, from what he brings to the rink day in and day out, and from his loyalty and commitment to his team mates. As burrows himself said, championship teams and legacy teams all have a core group, a nucleus of guys that carry it through it's good years. Burr seems genuinely anxious to be a part of bringing long term success to Vancouver. A family of players is growing and Burrows is happy about being part of the core and the family. He knows he'll get his share over time.

How can anybody not love a guy like Burrows? His interview about Kes's signing is all class and professionalism. At risk of sounding like a bandwaggoner, I myself am startiing to believe that this IS THE group that will eventually bring the Cup home. It's not just the players. It's the whole organization. From the owners, to the coaches, to the marketers and to the fans, they all contribute to making and creating a culture of winning and of success. This kind of organization can build players as much as players can build this organization. Initiatives like bring a guy like Walters in as a leadership specialist per say are bringing great dividends. Players who come here can get better. Not only better but the organization can build players into the best that they can be. Erhoff, for example. Maybe even Alberts will become something better than he's ever been.

It's just great to see. Vancouver deserves it. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Vancouver remains a top level team for some time to come. Burrows is as genuinely excited about being a part of that as anybody. And I don't think he has any reason to think he won't be rewarded for that.


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Edited by SimplyHockey, 19 March 2010 - 10:58 PM.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 10:58 PM

I was just thinking that Burrows could have gotten 3-3.5. Oh well. What's done is done. Lets just hope it works out in the end.


Burrows made his deal and it is up to him to be happy with it! IMHO he would have made 3.5 to 4m if he held out for offers. Burrows is quite underrated, he piles up the points while killing penalties and back-checking like the devil, is a plus 30 and can be a real "Burr" (pun intended) in the other teams sides. Add to that his 5 short handed tallies and I could easily see a team clearing up $4m for him. Yes he could have done much better but I truly believe that he feels The Canucks believed in him and gave him his chance and hey $8m over 4 years is a lot of money!!!!
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 11:01 PM

I find it impossible to believe he is not feeling some regret right now, but I will only be a fleeting feeling.
The guy is making 2 mill. He's got other things to worry about.

Apparently he broke/lost a tooth? When did that happen?
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 11:14 PM

Fin Dawg: You are a wizard with words. It was really great to read something like this for a change. I cannot say more. Great post and deserving of +. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Posted Image


Burr just exudes class and character, doesn't he? I mean, the road he's traveled, and to be able to come across the way he does, just speaks to how much character he has built from that. Too bad every player can't come up that way. With as much humility. His interview being the classic case. I think if there is anything that people don't realize, it's that Burr seems very capable of drawing the distinction between the business and the game from a player's perspective.

The only "jealousy" out there, is the jealousy around the league from those teams without Burrows in their line up. ;)

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 11:25 PM

Retrospetively I feel it a bit ironic that when last year Kes was talking about the need to take a pay cut to make the team better, he was actually talking about Burr's cheap deal paving the way for his own relatively expensive contract. Isn't it?Posted Image
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