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Poll: Connauton or Granani (198 member(s) have cast votes)

Which defenceman has more upside,or do You think will be a more valuable Defenceman in the future ?

  1. 22 yr old Connauton (167 votes [84.34%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 84.34%

  2. 25 yr old Gragnani (31 votes [15.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.66%

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:33 AM

I have high hopes for Gragnani. You can't simply judge him based on the few games and low minutes he spent on a new team after the deadline. It takes time to adapt to a new team. However, with 3 points in the last 4 games, he showed signs of being a quick learner (offensively, anyways). Contrast that with Ballard, who has 3 points in his last 19 games.

People say he's finished with his development, but he spent a portion of his development years playing forward, and is still learning the nuances of a defenseman's game. Actually, his situation reminds me a lot of Mark Streit. D/F who took a while to break into the NHL, primarily thought of as a PP specialist, with obvious offensive skills, but needing work on the defensive side.

Montreal gave up on Streit, and he went on to prove that he was a bonafide #2 defenseman.

What I have seen of MAG is a lack of defensive awareness. He loses position a lot. He is focussed on his strong suit, which is natural, being offence. In that effort he often takes big risks with passes coming out of the zone or in the neutral zone. Turns the puck a lot as a result. Ballard, while much older, does not take anywhere near the risks. Playing on the left side MAG will have to beat out a number of options to get any ice, Ballard being #1 on the list. That said I am sure Ballard will be moved if at all possible. MG simply cannot carry his salary on a 3rd pairing.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:53 AM

Forget about Gragnani, the guy is going to be a career AHLer. The fact that Gillis asked for him to try and make the trade look more even was kind of pointless.

I would rather build up Connauton into all that he can be, instead of wasting minutes on a guy AV used to coach and that he thinks can be an all star.

No more fringe defencemen please.

60 points in 63 games is better than 33 in 73
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 01:22 PM

Whats with this Thomas Wilson hype all of a sudden, i don`t get it, just because hes a tough means we will use a 1st round pick on him, whats the low down on this kid.
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2 Markus Naslund

3 Nathan Mackkinon

4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

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combine results.  Ehlers 5'11 162 lbs of solid rock.  


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:26 PM

Whats with this Thomas Wilson hype all of a sudden, i don`t get it, just because hes a tough means we will use a 1st round pick on him, whats the low down on this kid.


His upside is Lucic without the offense. Everyone has a hard on for toughness and that's why they want him. He's probably going mid 2nd.

Edit: In my opinion, if all of the obvious choices and favorites for us to draft are gone except for him, I'd much rather us go off the board and take Mark Jankowski, he could be a steal.

Edited by Hansen 36, 12 May 2012 - 03:30 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:37 PM

Whats with this Thomas Wilson hype all of a sudden, i don`t get it, just because hes a tough means we will use a 1st round pick on him, whats the low down on this kid.


He plays like Scott Hartnell, rough in your face and he has small guy hands.

Kassian and Tom Wilson would be a nightmare if they can both put it all together. It's would be like Boston having Lucic and Hartnell at the same time, Brad Marchand would be able to do anything he wanted.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:12 PM

60 points in 63 games is better than 33 in 73


There's a lot of tweeners that light up the AHL, but can't handle playing in the NHL. Keith Aucoin is a great example.
He gets 70 points in the AHL on average in a full season, but the most games he's played in a season in the NHL is 38 games.
Despite scoring 11 points in 27 games, he got sent back down from the Capitals to the AHL.

It's not always about numbers in the AHL. Sometimes that doesn't translate. It's can you adapt and learn to handle the pro game.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:17 PM

Gragnani, but from how AV used him, he will be a bust in Vancouver.

I hope we trade the guy before we ruin his career (looked good in Buffalo). He isn't a 5th/6th guy , he needs ice-time in the top 4 to be effective (Chris Campoli...).

I don't think Connauton will get a chance in Vancouver if we get a NHL defencemen from the goalie trade. Tanev would take that 6th spot. Connauton will have a hard time cracking the lineup unless he really outshines Tanev (no point in having him play as a 7th/8th , kills development/potential).
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:20 PM

Connauton needs another year in AHL. Gragnani should be on our PP next year though. I thought he was underrated last year and would like to see more of him in the right situations.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 12:22 PM

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 07:49 PM

Heres the thing, we don't know how Counnauton will do in the NHL. He might equally a liablity just liek Gragnani, but as a few posters said and who watched him play during last years pre season, he looked good, in the game I watched, which was Vancouver vs Anahiem, and Anahiem dressed their full line up, Connauton was one of our best defencemens, on top of that, Counnauton is much more tougher then Gragnani.
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1 Pavel Bure

2 Markus Naslund

3 Nathan Mackkinon

4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

http://bleacherrepor...d-top-prospects

combine results.  Ehlers 5'11 162 lbs of solid rock.  


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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:27 PM

Connauton
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 09:55 PM

I'm not going to comment on higher ranked players because it remains to be seen if the Canucks will acquire a higher pick. With the pick they currently have, I would love for them to draft Tomas Hertl from the Czech Republic. The Canucks really need a future potential #1 centre to replace Henrik Sedin and it is my opinion that the best kind of #1 centres are playmakers. Hertl is described as a playmaking forward whose best attributes are his ice awareness and, naturally, his ability to make plays. He's got pretty decent size as well, as he's currently 6'2" and 198 pounds. He played pretty well on the international stage, tying for the scoring lead for Team Czech Republic at the World Juniors (5 points in 6 games).
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Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:43 AM

Alright, this is my final list of prospects I believe that we should draft if available to us (Hypothetical goalie trade scenarios included):

1a. Ryan Murray (If we get Columbus' Pick)
1b. Filip Forsberg (^)
2a. Alex Galchenyuk (^)
2b. Mikhail Grigorenko (^)
3. Morgan Rielly (If we get Tampa's Pick)
4. Griffin Reinhart (^)
5. Olli Maatta (^)
6. Ludvig Bystrom (With our own pick)
7. Dalton Thrower (^)
8a. Colton Sissons (^)
8b. Mark Jankowski (^)
9. Brady Skjei
10a. Tom Wilson
10b. Tim Bozon
10c. Scott Laughton


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:40 AM

Wilson or Thrower.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:23 PM

I think Zack Kassian is still considered a "prospect" Hockeysfuture has yet do a re rating on our players yet, but if they did, Zack Kassian will probably be number 2.



here are links to 4 stes that rank our prospect list...

www.hockeysfuture.com rank 29

http://www.hockeypro...?articleid=1012 rank 26

http://bleacherrepor...-systems/page/5 rank 27

http://sports.yahoo....urn=nhl,wp10561 ESPN rank 29


To say we need changes to our North American scouting team is an understatement.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:42 PM

www.hockeysfuture.com * canucks rank 29

http://www.hockeypro...?articleid=1012 rank 26

http://bleacherrepor...-systems/page/5 rank 27

http://sports.yahoo....urn=nhl,wp10561 ESPN rank 29

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to say we need a change in scouting is an understatement...

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:48 PM

I disagree with the rankings, but not everyone is as educated about our prospects. we don't have a bunch of "big names" or "sure things" but we have a whole lot more potential than a lot of teams higher than us on each of those lists.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:53 PM

The only website I agree with is Hockeysfuture.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:09 PM

Well since the 2005 draft, the Canucks only hold onto the rights of two first round selections. Hard to build a prospect pool when you trade away your first round selections for immediate help. And that's understandable considering the circumstances and the limited window the Canucks to win a Cup. I don't think you can blame your scouts as they have done alright considering what was available.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:22 PM

how does detroit have better prospects :picard:
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:39 PM

It is important to remember that we have been, more or less, a winning team since 2001. A couple non playoff games in there over 11 or 12 years, but that means generally we have been picking late each year. There is a world of difference between a first overall pick and a 23rd overall pick.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:39 PM

i dont think are prospects will be great other than jensen, lack and tanev
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:41 PM

Hardly surprised given how well the Canucks have been doing in the last few years. We have also had a few of our top prospects graduate in Cory Schneider and what was Cody Hodgson. Not really the scouts fault at all.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:42 PM

It is important to remember that we have been, more or less, a winning team since 2001. A couple non playoff games in there over 11 or 12 years, but that means generally we have been picking late each year. There is a world of difference between a first overall pick and a 23rd overall pick.

It is important to remember that we have been, more or less, a winning team since 2001. A couple non playoff games in there over 11 or 12 years, but that means generally we have been picking late each year. There is a world of difference between a first overall pick and a 23rd overall pick.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

noboby panned out in the 2000 draft, 2002 draft, nobody left from the 2006 draft ( grabner traded), no-one panned from the 2007...
considering you get 2 players in the top 60, if not the top 100 in the world each year, you would think we could pull one hit out of 7 each year..

Chicago, Detroit, Rangers, are all in the top 16, Penguins and Flyers are 21 and 23...

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:56 PM

I'd go:
Round 1:
Brendan Gaunce, or Slater Koekkoek, or Thomas Wilson

Round:2
Tomas Hyka, or Tim Bozon
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 08:30 PM

The rankings are fair. They're looking for prospects with high ceilings. Generally, worse teams with higher picks have more bluechip talents in their system and that's what will get the organization a higher ranking. The Canucks don't really have many blue chippers in their system but at the same time many of their prospects stand a great chance at making some sort of impact at the NHL level. That's fine with me, until the team's core gets older and they're in need of a fresh dose of elite talent.

I really hate that Grabner got traded. Nonis got a lot of heat for that pick at first but he turned out to be a pretty dynamic player and would look so good in a Canucks uniform right now, especially because he was drafted and developed by the organization. He was starting to look really promising as Kesler's scoring RW.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:01 PM

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I disagree with the rankings, but not everyone is as educated about our prospects. we don't have a bunch of "big names" or "sure things" but we have a whole lot more potential than a lot of teams higher than us on each of those lists.


This +1. Most of these rankings also are not recent.
Things can change in a hurry.

e.g. If MG signs Justin Schultz. Trades Luo and gets Connolly and 1st rd pick. Suddenly we could have a very impressive group.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:03 PM

The only website I agree with is Hockeysfuture.


That is a very poor decision.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:12 PM

We have prospects that are going to develop over time while finishing their college degrees. We are a successful team and can afford to have our prospects go through that process instead of rushing them into our lineup. Some people may see this non-immediate impact as poor players when in reality, college players these days are getting better and better. I am excited to see Labate and McNally after they have finished their college degrees. Price could be an interesting player. We have underrated players as well in Friesen and Corrado who are solid prospects that many just don't know too much about. I also believe our goaltending prospect depth is quite possibly one of the best in the league.

I would definitely like to see the era when our Gillis-drafted prospects are developed enough to start making the Canucks.
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