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#1 da.moose

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:57 AM

The Canucks have had a very strong team for years now but unfortunately they have not been able to win the Stanley Cup for the same reasons year after year. We saw it against LA, Boston, and Chicago. These are the flaws that the Canucks have had the past few seasons that need to be addressed.

1) Our defense is good but not great. Every team that beats us has a better defense core.

2) We lack toughness. We are always out hit and although we win tons of games in the regular season, when we play stronger and tougher teams we are clearly physically outmatched and almost feel like an underdog.

3) Outside of the Sedins we don't have enough natural scorers.


So now for my proposal.

Re-sign:

Samuel Pahlsson: 2 years/3.5 million dollars (1.75 million per season)

Pahlsson proved himself as a valuable center down the stretch. He comes pretty cheap and has won the Stanley Cup before. I'd bring him back cause he does the job, knows the team, and there is no guarantee we could find a viable replacement via UFA. Chances are if we could that they would cost most than Pahlsson as well.

Dale Weise: 2 years/1.2 million dollars (600 000 per season)

Weise looked good in the lineup vs LA. He brings toughness and tenacity to the wing at a very cheap price. We can slot him in the lineup when we need toughness or energy or sit him out if we find him ineffective or if we need more skill in the lineup for certain games. He will compete everynight and we should lock him up as a Canuck.

Cory Schneider: 3 years/10.5 million dollars (3.5 million per season)

The future in our net. I don't think he wants to sign for more than 3 years at this price which is fine. We have three years with a top goalie at a great price to win a cup. I am confident he wil re-sign after the duration of this contract but that is not what we should be worrying about yet. Schneider is younger, cheaper, and seems to be liked more by the team than Luongo. Losing Cory would be a blow to the hearts of the team and the city and a fresh season with Schneider as the undoubted starter will give this team the better attitude and will be a more fresh start at the beginning of next season to help rebound after the failures of the past few seasons.

Marc-Andre Gragnani: 2 years/1.6 million dollars (800 000 per season)

Gragnani has shown offensive upside and the ability to be a key contributor on the powerplay. If he can learn to play better defensively he could be a valuable player for us. He will be motivated to work hard and play better defensively because if he doesn't he will find himself a healthy scratch more often than not.



Draft Day:

Trade #1)

To Toronto: Roberto Luongo, Mason Raymond
To Vancouver: Luke Schenn, Toronto 2nd round pick, Toronto 3rd round pick

Roberto Luongo is a great goalie but his time is done in Vancouver. Other teams will appreciate him more and he can have a fresh start as the superstar in Toronto. He deserves to be treated better. We are fortunate to have a guy like Cory Schneider to take overso we can trade Luongo early in his contract while he still has value. If Luongo didn't have 10 more years on his contract than maybe he would be the one we would be keeping but Gillis will jump on the opportunity to forget about the most idiotic move he has made since taking over as General Manager; the Luongo contract. Well that or the Ballard trade.

Luke Schenn's value is currently at an all time low because the Leafs lack leadership and have not been able to develop him properly. Honestly, I'm not worried about him if we can sign him. This kid has a great attitude, is tough, and is capable of being a top notch shutdown defenseman in the NHL. potentially the type of player that we have lacked for some time now. Ya, Pietrangelo and Doughty both have proven themselves better thus far, but that is just because they are more offensively gifted players. It takes longer for shutdown dmen to develop because they will not wow you very often and often get exposed by world class players. Schenn will continue to develop properly in our organization and will become a real leader and a top player for the Canucks for many years. I don't want to overhype Schenn but he is captain material if he plays to his potential and I believe that he has the type of attitude that will step up while playing with better players. He will take it upon himself not to be the weak link here. If Burke was more patient and not so stupid he would probably hold on to this player while the Leafs learn to win.


Trade #2)

To Islanders: Keith Ballard
To Vancouver: NYI 3rd round pick

Ballard isn't bad but Vignault doesn't trust him at all and he just doesn't seem to fit the system. At 4.2 million dollars we are better off trading him and give him the opportunity to be a top 4 dman in Long Island where he could play big minutes and great hockey for a team that appreciates his talent. I think that his time in Vancouver could be a huge learning expirience for him and he will turn out a better hockey player for it.


July 1st 2012

Offer Sheet:

Jakub Voracek: 5 years/23.5 million dollars (4.7 million per season)

Compensation = Vancouver 1st and 3rd round draft picks 2013

Normally I am not big on offer sheets but in this case I am going to make an acception. Remember when Holmgrem offersheeted Kesler a few seasons back? Well now we finally get our revenge. Philli won't be happy about this because Voracek has looked great in his first season as a Flyer. The natural right wing was drafted 7th overall in 2007 and has been playing his best hockey in the playoffs for Philladelphia. With 7 points in 6 playoff games, as well as 18 gols playinfg 3rd line minutes for the Flyers, the 6"1, 205 lbs winger would look great next to the Sedins. He has shown aggression and much more upside. Often he has looked like a natural goal scorer with a wicked wrist shot in way Booth is not and he looks like he wants to win as badly as anyone during the Flyers current playoff run. If he meshes, I could see Voracek scoring 30, maybe even over 35 goals playing on our top line with the Sedins, allowing Burrows to play on Kesler's wing because he seems to be the only guy that can move the puck with him.

As badly as Philladelphia would want to keep Voracek, they might just need to take the draft picks. With the Coburn and Van Riemsdyk extensions kicking in next season as well as Simmonds, Schenn, Couturier, Read and even Giroux due for raises within the next few seasons I think that Philladelphia will need to make some long term decisions and decide that they may be better off letting Voracek go.


Ryan Suter: 7 years/50.4 million dollars (7.2 million dollars per season)

I could see Ryan Suter re-signing in Nashville if the don't win the cup, but if they do I think he will hit UFA and land big money. He could re-sign in Nashville either way actually but if he doesn't I think we can all agree that the Canucks need to make a huge pitch. He is exactly what we need and is the only somewhat realistic option available this offseason. We know that this is his chance to get big money and a ton of teams will offer him over 7 million dollars to sign. Anyone who thinks that he is going to sign at a discounted price with Vancouver is dillusional. However, at 7.2 million dollars for seven years playing for the back to back President Trophy winning team that clearly needs him as much as anyone could be intriguing. I am not saying this offer will necessarily get him but it is the best offer we can make and will definitely be something he looks at twice.

For those of you that think 7.2 is too much money... well it probably is. Sometimes you have to overpay to get what you want. Look at Brian Campbell making 7.14 in Chicago when they won the cup or Gaborik making 7.5 right now in New York where they have a solid chance. How about Spezza and Heatley both making 7.5 when Ottawa went to the finals or Crosby and Malkin both making 8.7 in Pittsuburgh. Ya, some of those guys are bigger names than Suter but with our team being so close and the perfect player being on the open market I think that we may have to break the bank in order to get him.

Jordin Tootoo: 4 years/7 million dollars (1.75 million per season)

Tootoo is a competative guy that is as tough as anyone in this league. He always get the short end of the stick in Nashville and you can all but guarantee that he will be leaving at the end of the season when his contract expires. Tootoo managed to score 30 points in limited playing time this season for the Preds and looked like possibly there best forward at times in the playoffs last season for them. He has all the speed in the word as well as the tenacity. He goes hard to the net and always gives it his all. He is always willing to fight for his teammates and is exactly what we need on this team. At the same price as Talbot signed in Philladelphia, I think Tootoo could serve as a Chris Neil type player for the Canucks and would singlehandedly make us a tougher team night in and night out.

Adrian Aucoin: 1 year/1.5 million dollars

The veteran Aucoin started his career out in Vancouver and would be a welcomed addition to come back here. Aucoin is tough, and has been playing solid defensively for years now. He has taken over a leadership role in Phoenix and I would love for him to do the same thing for us in Vancouver while also serving as a mentor to Luke Schenn on our bottom pairing.

Aaron Johnson: 1 year/700 000

Johnson would be a solid replacement for guys like Rome and Alberts. He has been playing minutes on bad teams for most of his career and put up solid point numbers in CBJ this year. The one year he played for a winning team he was a +19 in only like 38 games in Chicago in 08/09. Clearly the 29 year old can at least play in the NHL and maybe he will turn out to be a big, trustworthy, 2-way dman at a cheap price.

Rhett Rakhshani: 1 year/650 000

Rakhshani is an RFA but if NYI doesn't qualify him, I think he could be a guy that might be a good NHL scorer if given the opportunity. A Tambellini/Ebbett type signing, the skilled and smart winger has been a ppg player throughout his college career as well as in his two seasons in the AHL. I could see the Isles keeping the playmaker under contract on a two-way deal but if they don't I think he has the upside to be a good pickup for the Nucks.

Zack Stortini: 1 year/550 000

Stortini is an agitator, a fighter, and a heart and soul kind of player. He has been out of the NHL for a few years but I used to hate playing against him when he was in Edmonton. He would always go hard and I wouldn't mind letting this guy battle his ass off trying to earn himself a 4th line role. If not he would play for the Wolves.

Trade #3)

To Winnipeg: David Booth
To Vancouver: Winnipeg 2nd round pick 2013, Winnipeg 4th round pick 2013

If Philladelphia doesn't match the offersheet for Voracek than there is no longer room for Booth in Vancouver. Booth is a solid player and will look unreal in Winnipeg at 4.25 million dollars but he just isn't a natural goal scorer and doesn't really bring anything quite unique enough to the table to be paid so highly by the Canucks. He isn't fantastic defensively or offensively. He is a hell of an athlete and a strong hockey player but there are just better options for the Canucks throughout the lineup.



2012-13 Vancouver Canucks Lineup


Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Jakub Voracek

Alexandre Burrows - Ryan Kesler - Zack Kassian

Jordin Tootoo - Maxim Lapierre - Jannik Hansen

Chris Higgins - Samuel Pahlsson - Niklas Jensen


Dale Weise, Manny Malhotra, Rhett Rakhshani, Zack Stortini, Jordan Schroeder



Alexander Edler - Ryan Suter

Dan Hamhuis - Kevin Bieksa

Luke Schenn - Adrian Aucoin


Chris Tanev, Aaron Johnson, Andrew Alberts, Marc-Andre Gragnani, Kevin Connauton



Cory Schneider

Eddie Lack




Overall I think this lineup has a lot of depth, versatility, scoring, and toughness. The Offense is improved in my opinion from line one to line four. I think that Voracek will be a great addition to our top line and as I stated will I think he would thrive in his opportunity as the Sedins go-to guy and will score 30 something goals.


Our second line will be improved this year with the Burrows-Kesler connection back in tact for an entire season and I think Kassian will end up proving himself as a core player and will earn himself a spot on the second line. Kassian will be tough, has great hands, lays out hits, can move the puck around and goes to the net hard. Canucks fans haven't seen it yet but I think he will be a great powerforward for us for years to come and may even be as valuable to us as Hodgson could have been. If Kassian does not earn the job we still have Higgins, Jensen, and even Hansen if we have to competing for the job.


Our third line is a line we have been lacking for years now. That has gotta be one of the toughest, most annoying lines to play against in the league. We have an animal in Tootoo, a premier agitator in Lappy, and a speedy puck hound in Hansen. This line will be feared and will get solid minutes for the Canucks. This would be one of my favorite third lines in hockey and I think people would be surprised to see the offensive upside of these three players.


Our fourth line consists of Pahlsson who will be a consistent fourth line center at all ends of the ice as well as Higgins who can be slotted in the top six when we need him or even on the third line in case of injury. Maybe even get some opportunities with the Sedins? Jensen could be an "X" factor for us and can also compete for playing time througout the lineup. Kassian and Jensen will be huge players in the future for the Canucks and will bring a youthful energy to the lineup that the team has been lacking. I want to give them both real playing time and watch them learn from there mistakes and play their best hockey come playoff time.


Or defense wil have three solid pairings, will be a lot tougher, and more consistent. I think that this defense is one of the best in the league and has guys like Tanev, Johnson, Alberts, and Gragnani competing for time and ready to be slotted in when needed.



What do you guys think?

Is this realistic? Do you like the lineup?

Edited by da.moose, 07 May 2012 - 11:45 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:01 PM

suter cant play his offside

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

suter cant play his offside


Are you sure?

You think Edler could?

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:23 PM

Are you sure?

You think Edler could?


Edler is pretty bad on his offside too. If we sign Suter, one of our top 2 left Handed defencmen would have to be traded: Hamhuis or Edler. Does anyone think Anaheim would do Edler+Raymond for Ryan?

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:37 PM

Isn't Voracek a 4th liner on Philly?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:51 PM

So you say we have no natural scores outside Sedins and you bring Voracek... To play on the same line as the Sedins... You didn't bring any depth scoring to fix your issue.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:56 PM

So you say we have no natural scores outside Sedins and you bring Voracek... To play on the same line as the Sedins... You didn't bring any depth scoring to fix your issue.


If Voracek plays with the Sedins we would be able to play Burrows with Kesler who are both competative guys that have played together. Along with one of Kassian or Jensen and Higgins in the lineup as well, I think we could be a better scoring team. I think our issue is that Burrows has been our only legitamite scorer that meshes with the Sedins but he is also the only winger that can move the puck around with Kesler.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:57 PM

Isn't Voracek a 4th liner on Philly?


LMAO no. He is very skilled and plays throughout the lineup. Getting Tootoo is very realistic, as he hated not being involved in the playoffs with the Predators. Nick Jensen is NOT NHL ready yet either, so that would not work as well.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:00 PM

Isn't Voracek a 4th liner on Philly?


Does that matter? Couturier is a 4th liner on Philly since they're so deep. Voracek is a stud in the making.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:17 PM

Voracek would be so sick. I'd gladly give up a 1\st and 3rd for him.

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:23 PM

I just don't get the Booth hate.

Don't get it one bit.

We keep Raymond for 3 season and you're all ready to ship Booth after 68 games.

???? horrible dumbass fans.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:36 PM

I just don't get the Booth hate.

Don't get it one bit.

We keep Raymond for 3 season and you're all ready to ship Booth after 68 games.

???? horrible dumbass fans.


booth has a cap hit that is twice the amount of raymonds. he takes up cap space and is not worth the money he is paid. hes another ballard pretty much
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:40 PM

I just don't get the Booth hate.

Don't get it one bit.

We keep Raymond for 3 season and you're all ready to ship Booth after 68 games.

???? horrible dumbass fans.


I don't hate Booth at all. In fact I'm a Jets fan 1st, Canucks fan 2nd and I sent him to Winnipeg. I just think that after the Nucks get Voracek, Suter, Tootoo, Schenn, and Aucoin like I proposed there will be no cap space for Booth and unfortunately we'd have to trade him. If we have the cap space to keep him and make all the additions I proposed as well of course he would be an asset to us.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 03:05 PM

booth has a cap hit that is twice the amount of raymonds. he takes up cap space and is not worth the money he is paid. hes another ballard pretty much


68 games and an injury.

you're wrong

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 03:05 PM

I don't hate Booth at all. In fact I'm a Jets fan 1st, Canucks fan 2nd and I sent him to Winnipeg. I just think that after the Nucks get Voracek, Suter, Tootoo, Schenn, and Aucoin like I proposed there will be no cap space for Booth and unfortunately we'd have to trade him. If we have the cap space to keep him and make all the additions I proposed as well of course he would be an asset to us.


You don't trade a guy away so soon unless it's Marco Sturm.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:44 PM

68 games and an injury.

you're wrong


how am i wrong he has a 4.25mill cap hit, raymond has a 2.5mill cap hit. not double but he is still over payed. and being injured doesnt help his cause with the cap. he didnt perform as expected this year. if he turns it around next year i will take it back.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:57 PM

Does that matter? Couturier is a 4th liner on Philly since they're so deep. Voracek is a stud in the making.


JVR was a scratch. Can you believe it??

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:15 PM

I still feel like Vorecek is proving worth in Philly and will most likely stay there. I think more realistically NJ might not have room to fit Parise in with them, with Kovalchuks huge contract and the Nucks can make a pitch for him. I`d like that Luongo deal though. I also think Suter is staying with Nashville.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:08 PM

You don't trade a guy away so soon unless it's Marco Sturm.


Thats just kind of an opinion. I don't think a team should sign a guy and then trade him if he performs like Booth but the fact that he was traded for makes a big difference in my opinion.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:27 PM

booth has a cap hit that is twice the amount of raymonds. he takes up cap space and is not worth the money he is paid. hes another ballard pretty much


How can you say that after 68 in a pretty much bipolar market from what he is used too.

give him atleast another year, he's still got the ability to produce like he did in 2008-09 when he got 30.

Our fan base is way too quick to hit the panic button sometimes...

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:30 PM

JVR was a scratch Injured. Can you believe it??


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:39 PM

The Canucks have had a very strong team for years now but unfortunately they have not been able to win the Stanley Cup for the same reasons year after year. We saw it against LA, Boston, and Chicago. These are the flaws that the Canucks have had the past few seasons that need to be addressed.

1) Our defense is good but not great. Every team that beats us has a better defense core.

2) We lack toughness. We are always out hit and although we win tons of games in the regular season, when we play stronger and tougher teams we are clearly physically outmatched and almost feel like an underdog.

3) Outside of the Sedins we don't have enough natural scorers.


So now for my proposal.

Re-sign:

Samuel Pahlsson: 2 years/3.5 million dollars (1.75 million per season)

Pahlsson proved himself as a valuable center down the stretch. He comes pretty cheap and has won the Stanley Cup before. I'd bring him back cause he does the job, knows the team, and there is no guarantee we could find a viable replacement via UFA. Chances are if we could that they would cost most than Pahlsson as well.

Dale Weise: 2 years/1.2 million dollars (600 000 per season)

Weise looked good in the lineup vs LA. He brings toughness and tenacity to the wing at a very cheap price. We can slot him in the lineup when we need toughness or energy or sit him out if we find him ineffective or if we need more skill in the lineup for certain games. He will compete everynight and we should lock him up as a Canuck.

Cory Schneider: 3 years/10.5 million dollars (3.5 million per season)

The future in our net. I don't think he wants to sign for more than 3 years at this price which is fine. We have three years with a top goalie at a great price to win a cup. I am confident he wil re-sign after the duration of this contract but that is not what we should be worrying about yet. Schneider is younger, cheaper, and seems to be liked more by the team than Luongo. Losing Cory would be a blow to the hearts of the team and the city and a fresh season with Schneider as the undoubted starter will give this team the better attitude and will be a more fresh start at the beginning of next season to help rebound after the failures of the past few seasons.

Marc-Andre Gragnani: 2 years/1.6 million dollars (800 000 per season)

Gragnani has shown offensive upside and the ability to be a key contributor on the powerplay. If he can learn to play better defensively he could be a valuable player for us. He will be motivated to work hard and play better defensively because if he doesn't he will find himself a healthy scratch more often than not.



Draft Day:

Trade #1)

To Toronto: Roberto Luongo, Mason Raymond
To Vancouver: Luke Schenn, Toronto 2nd round pick, Toronto 3rd round pick

Roberto Luongo is a great goalie but his time is done in Vancouver. Other teams will appreciate him more and he can have a fresh start as the superstar in Toronto. He deserves to be treated better. We are fortunate to have a guy like Cory Schneider to take overso we can trade Luongo early in his contract while he still has value. If Luongo didn't have 10 more years on his contract than maybe he would be the one we would be keeping but Gillis will jump on the opportunity to forget about the most idiotic move he has made since taking over as General Manager; the Luongo contract. Well that or the Ballard trade.

Luke Schenn's value is currently at an all time low because the Leafs lack leadership and have not been able to develop him properly. Honestly, I'm not worried about him if we can sign him. This kid has a great attitude, is tough, and is capable of being a top notch shutdown defenseman in the NHL. potentially the type of player that we have lacked for some time now. Ya, Pietrangelo and Doughty both have proven themselves better thus far, but that is just because they are more offensively gifted players. It takes longer for shutdown dmen to develop because they will not wow you very often and often get exposed by world class players. Schenn will continue to develop properly in our organization and will become a real leader and a top player for the Canucks for many years. I don't want to overhype Schenn but he is captain material if he plays to his potential and I believe that he has the type of attitude that will step up while playing with better players. He will take it upon himself not to be the weak link here. If Burke was more patient and not so stupid he would probably hold on to this player while the Leafs learn to win.


Trade #2)

To Islanders: Keith Ballard
To Vancouver: NYI 3rd round pick

Ballard isn't bad but Vignault doesn't trust him at all and he just doesn't seem to fit the system. At 4.2 million dollars we are better off trading him and give him the opportunity to be a top 4 dman in Long Island where he could play big minutes and great hockey for a team that appreciates his talent. I think that his time in Vancouver could be a huge learning expirience for him and he will turn out a better hockey player for it.


July 1st 2012

Offer Sheet:

Jakub Voracek: 5 years/23.5 million dollars (4.7 million per season)

Compensation = Vancouver 1st and 3rd round draft picks 2013

Normally I am not big on offer sheets but in this case I am going to make an acception. Remember when Holmgrem offersheeted Kesler a few seasons back? Well now we finally get our revenge. Philli won't be happy about this because Voracek has looked great in his first season as a Flyer. The natural right wing was drafted 7th overall in 2007 and has been playing his best hockey in the playoffs for Philladelphia. With 7 points in 6 playoff games, as well as 18 gols playinfg 3rd line minutes for the Flyers, the 6"1, 205 lbs winger would look great next to the Sedins. He has shown aggression and much more upside. Often he has looked like a natural goal scorer with a wicked wrist shot in way Booth is not and he looks like he wants to win as badly as anyone during the Flyers current playoff run. If he meshes, I could see Voracek scoring 30, maybe even over 35 goals playing on our top line with the Sedins, allowing Burrows to play on Kesler's wing because he seems to be the only guy that can move the puck with him.

As badly as Philladelphia would want to keep Voracek, they might just need to take the draft picks. With the Coburn and Van Riemsdyk extensions kicking in next season as well as Simmonds, Schenn, Couturier, Read and even Giroux due for raises within the next few seasons I think that Philladelphia will need to make some long term decisions and decide that they may be better off letting Voracek go.


Ryan Suter: 7 years/50.4 million dollars (7.2 million dollars per season)

I could see Ryan Suter re-signing in Nashville if the don't win the cup, but if they do I think he will hit UFA and land big money. He could re-sign in Nashville either way actually but if he doesn't I think we can all agree that the Canucks need to make a huge pitch. He is exactly what we need and is the only somewhat realistic option available this offseason. We know that this is his chance to get big money and a ton of teams will offer him over 7 million dollars to sign. Anyone who thinks that he is going to sign at a discounted price with Vancouver is dillusional. However, at 7.2 million dollars for seven years playing for the back to back President Trophy winning team that clearly needs him as much as anyone could be intriguing. I am not saying this offer will necessarily get him but it is the best offer we can make and will definitely be something he looks at twice.

For those of you that think 7.2 is too much money... well it probably is. Sometimes you have to overpay to get what you want. Look at Brian Campbell making 7.14 in Chicago when they won the cup or Gaborik making 7.5 right now in New York where they have a solid chance. How about Spezza and Heatley both making 7.5 when Ottawa went to the finals or Crosby and Malkin both making 8.7 in Pittsuburgh. Ya, some of those guys are bigger names than Suter but with our team being so close and the perfect player being on the open market I think that we may have to break the bank in order to get him.

Jordin Tootoo: 4 years/7 million dollars (1.75 million per season)

Tootoo is a competative guy that is as tough as anyone in this league. He always get the short end of the stick in Nashville and you can all but guarantee that he will be leaving at the end of the season when his contract expires. Tootoo managed to score 30 points in limited playing time this season for the Preds and looked like possibly there best forward at times in the playoffs last season for them. He has all the speed in the word as well as the tenacity. He goes hard to the net and always gives it his all. He is always willing to fight for his teammates and is exactly what we need on this team. At the same price as Talbot signed in Philladelphia, I think Tootoo could serve as a Chris Neil type player for the Canucks and would singlehandedly make us a tougher team night in and night out.

Adrian Aucoin: 1 year/1.5 million dollars

The veteran Aucoin started his career out in Vancouver and would be a welcomed addition to come back here. Aucoin is tough, and has been playing solid defensively for years now. He has taken over a leadership role in Phoenix and I would love for him to do the same thing for us in Vancouver while also serving as a mentor to Luke Schenn on our bottom pairing.


Trade #3)

To Winnipeg: David Booth
To Vancouver: Winnipeg 2nd round pick 2013, Winnipeg 4th round pick 2013

If Philladelphia doesn't match the offersheet for Voracek than there is no longer room for Booth in Vancouver. Booth is a solid player and will look unreal in Winnipeg at 4.25 million dollars but he just isn't a natural goal scorer and doesn't really bring anything quite unique enough to the table to be paid so highly by the Canucks. He isn't fantastic defensively or offensively. He is a hell of an athlete and a strong hockey player but there are just better options for the Canucks throughout the lineup.


2012-13 Vancouver Canucks Lineup


Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Jakub Voracek

Alexandre Burrows - Ryan Kesler - Zack Kassian

Jordin Tootoo - Maxim Lapierre - Jannik Hansen

Chris Higgins - Samuel Pahlsson - Niklas Jensen


Dale Weise, Manny Malhotra



Alexander Edler - Ryan Suter

Dan Hamhuis - Kevin Bieksa

Luke Schenn - Adrian Aucoin


Chris Tanev, Andrew Alberts, Marc-Andre Gragnani



Cory Schneider

Eddie Lack




Overall I think this lineup has a lot of depth, versatility, scoring, and toughness. The Offense is improved in my opinion from line one to line four. I think that Voracek will be a great addition to our top line and as I stated will I think he would thrive in his opportunity as the Sedins go-to guy and will score 30 something goals.


Our second line will be improved this year with the Burrows-Kesler connection back in tact for an entire season and I think Kassian will end up proving himself as a core player and will earn himself a spot on the second line. Kassian will be tough, has great hands, lays out hits, can move the puck around and goes to the net hard. Canucks fans haven't seen it yet but I think he will be a great powerforward for us for years to come and may even be as valuable to us as Hodgson could have been. If Kassian does not earn the job we still have Higgins, Jensen, and even Hansen if we have to competing for the job.


Our third line is a line we have been lacking for years now. That has gotta be one of the toughest, most annoying lines to play against in the league. We have an animal in Tootoo, a premier agitator in Lappy, and a speedy puck hound in Hansen. This line will be feared and will get solid minutes for the Canucks. This would be one of my favorite third lines in hockey and I think people would be surprised to see the offensive upside of these three players.


Our fourth line consists of Pahlsson who will be a consistent fourth line center at all ends of the ice as well as Higgins who can be slotted in the top six when we need him or even on the third line in case of injury. Maybe even get some opportunities with the Sedins? Jensen could be an "X" factor for us and can also compete for playing time througout the lineup. Kassian and Jensen will be huge players in the future for the Canucks and will bring a youthful energy to the lineup that the team has been lacking. I want to give them both real playing time and watch them learn from there mistakes and play their best hockey come playoff time.


Or defense wil have three solid pairings, will be a lot tougher, and more consistent. I think that this defense is one of the best in the league and has guys like Tanev, Alberts, and Gragnani competing for time and ready to be slotted in when needed.



What do you guys think?

Is this realistic? Do you like the lineup?


good post...
1. as per GMMG, Lack is not NHL ready.
2. I would think LUI+ Cory are better goal tending tandem to get us the Cup.
3. As 3rd pair Dman, Ballard is too expensive.
4. I like Tootoo.
5. I like the offer sheet to upset Philly.



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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:48 PM

how am i wrong he has a 4.25mill cap hit, raymond has a 2.5mill cap hit. not double but he is still over payed. and being injured doesnt help his cause with the cap. he didnt perform as expected this year. if he turns it around next year i will take it back.
your wrong


Booth 56gp for nucks 29pts +1 11% shooting
Raymond 55gp for nucks 20pts +4 8% shooting

I would have to say booth did better maybe not 4.25 good but he still did better, but then again there is only a handful of players this yr that lived up to expectations and only 3 that had career years.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 04:12 PM

good post...
1. as per GMMG, Lack is not NHL ready.
2. I would think LUI+ Cory are better goal tending tandem to get us the Cup.
3. As 3rd pair Dman, Ballard is too expensive.
4. I like Tootoo.
5. I like the offer sheet to upset Philly.


Thanks.

I don't have Ballard in my lineup so I agree with you about him being too expensive to be a third pairing dman. As for the Lack not being NHL ready, I think that it would be pretty easy to find a viable backup via UFA at about the same price.

Luongo and Schneider will not be a tandem next year though. When Luongo stated that if the team goes with Schneider that he would waive his NTC, he basically said he wants to be a starter next year whether thats in Vancouver or not. Having both just doesn't seem like an option.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 04:40 PM

Jensen isn't ready yet, and start Kassian in the minors. Bring Kassian up from time to time, give Jensen a full year with the wolves.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:50 AM

Honestly, I think Kassian is ready to play NHL next year. He just needs to be given real playing time and I am sure we will see him improve throughout the season and like I stated play his best hockey in the playoffs once he feels more comfortable with the entire team.

As for Jensen, I haven't see him play much. If he is not NHL ready then maybe Schroeder gets an opportunity coming in and playing sometimes as well as Malhotra and Weise?

The problem with Schroeder in my mind is that his lack of size and toughness make him only a viable option in the top 6 on Keslers like. I don't trust him to play center and I guess we could get him playing with Pahlsson and Higgins but I'd almost prefer a player we could trust in all situations. Eventually we gotta get him his chance though I guess. Very skilled and smart young hockey player.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:55 PM

I had some deep sleeper kinda depth free agent signings that I wanted to discuss and just added them to my offseason proposal. If no one really cares about guys like Johnson, Stortini, Rakhshani, etc then sorry for the bump :P

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:24 PM

We won't get Suter and don't trade Booth.

I do like Schenn on our team
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:50 PM

OP did u calculate the salary of your roster?

I like the moves, but would rather swap out the 2nd in the Leaf trade for Kadri; nice RFA signing of Voracek, as well as bringing in Suter (fingers crossing...), Tootoo and Aucoin (if Kadri comes in I'd believe that the Perreault trade is excessive though). Also wouldn't mind keeping Booth and Ballard.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:47 PM

OP did u calculate the salary of your roster?

I like the moves, but would rather swap out the 2nd in the Leaf trade for Kadri; nice RFA signing of Voracek, as well as bringing in Suter (fingers crossing...), Tootoo and Aucoin (if Kadri comes in I'd believe that the Perreault trade is excessive though). Also wouldn't mind keeping Booth and Ballard.


It comes to about 65 mil I'm pretty sure.

If we could keep Booth I would totally keep him but in all honesty, on a pairing with Schenn I would rather have a guy like Aucoin than Ballard and the 3 mil in cap space makes it even better.

Also I got rid of the Alberts/Perreault deal your right. Four trades in the offseason seems a little excessive.




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