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#181 sirensong87

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:55 PM

Weiss in untouchable unless Kesler is going back, they only have him for a centre. Goc is their next best. MARCEL GOC.


Huberdeau will make the team this year and Fleischmann is also a natural center who can play the wing. Mark Santorelli should be better this yaer as well after a tough sophmore year.

If any GM on any team with Stephen Weiss considered him "untouchable" then that team is in a whole world of hurt. Hes an average 2nd line player on a good team. That should never be considered untouchable. Its like calling Booth untouchable...

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:57 PM

This^

This is what Florida's center depth would look like without Weiss:

Fleischmann
Huberdeau
Matthias
Goc
Mueller
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:09 PM

Huberdeau will make the team this year and Fleischmann is also a natural center who can play the wing. Mark Santorelli should be better this yaer as well after a tough sophmore year.

If any GM on any team with Stephen Weiss considered him "untouchable" then that team is in a whole world of hurt. Hes an average 2nd line player on a good team. That should never be considered untouchable. Its like calling Booth untouchable...


pretty sure Florida bought out Santorelli

Yea look way back in June: @TSNBobMcKenzie
FLA puts Mike Santorelli on waivers; FLA puts Matt Bradley on unconditional ($125) waivers, presumably for buyout/termination of contract.

Edited by Vlas=d, 26 July 2012 - 04:34 PM.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:51 PM

Sorry but I disagree - Garrison was the most important position to fill, and if the Canucks were to sign Doan, he is enough for the top six and rounds it out nicely - Daniel, Booth, Burrows and Doan are entirely capable top six wingers imo - not sure who would need to be upgraded upon. In that case, what we need in the short term from the Luongo deal is a big center - preferably young and a two-way player who could move from the 2nd line to the third when Kesler returns. I like Lapierre and Schroeder, but imo a center would be the best addition, and a young right handed blueliner/prospect.
The Canucks have a number of guys improving, and a few of them are on the verge of making the NHL, another thing to consider. Regarding the bottom six it's hard to improve on HIggins and Hansen on the third line, Lapierre centering the fourth - aside from them, the Canucks have Kassian, Volpatti, Weise, Malhotra and Raymond to round out the bottom six, so nothing urgent really, but if they could pry Neil out of Ottawa I'd be ecstatic...

ps. glad the Nash and Weber sagas are over - now we can get to the real news.

However Doan isn't signed.
No real argument with your thinking otherwise.
No way Neil is coming out of Ottawa after the playoffs he had. A player like him would answer a lot of Vancouver needs. I still question who you have on the left side with Kesler and Booth if you are trading Lou for a center. Sign Doan and you drop Burrows to the 3rd? I haven't seen him play the left side.

It will be an interesting couple of weeks.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:57 PM

However Doan isn't signed.
No real argument with your thinking otherwise.
No way Neil is coming out of Ottawa after the playoffs he had. A player like him would answer a lot of Vancouver needs. I still question who you have on the left side with Kesler and Booth if you are trading Lou for a center. Sign Doan and you drop Burrows to the 3rd? I haven't seen him play the left side.

It will be an interesting couple of weeks.


Both burrows and booth are natural left wingers
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:07 PM

pretty sure Florida bought out Santorelli

Yea look way back in June: @TSNBobMcKenzie
FLA puts Mike Santorelli on waivers; FLA puts Matt Bradley on unconditional ($125) waivers, presumably for buyout/termination of contract.


Fair enough but I also miss Mueller.

Fleischmann
Mueller
Huberdeau
Goc
Matthias
Do they still have Smithson as well?

Weiss is anything but untouchable, they may rather move Fleischmann but Weiss isnt off the table by any means. If anything they need to open up a center ice spot to get Huberdeau in there.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:04 PM

In the CAP crazy world where teams are crapting money out for sub par players, weiss is untouchable. 3 million for this guy is a steal we all know it and its his last year at this price. He is a UFA after that and we cannot afford to pay him 4-5 million. With elder and burrows and Shane Doan (if he signs) we will loose weiss as a rental player. Its easy play for me, Shawn Matthais a 1st Jose Theodore for Bobby Lu. I know we are getting robbed its the worst deal ever! The fact is this is what will get a deal done. We will get piece just like cbj got for nash, depth players. We are not going to get any of flordias core players!

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:21 PM

So we give Florida one of our core players but don't get one of their core players in return?
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:32 PM

So we give Florida one of our core players but don't get one of their core players in return?


Did you forget how to quote people?
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:07 PM

:lol: No I can't reply properly due to my suspensions
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:16 PM

So we give Florida one of our core players but don't get one of their core players in return?


It's actually quite amazing how CDC can't agree on Luongo's value. Either he's an elite goalie at a bargain caphit or a glorified overpaid backup with a stupid long contract.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:22 PM

I know. Its quite amusing to see person A and person B bickering over it. To me the Luongo trade will be a Hockey trade. Say X team has a playmaking center or a d man they'd be willing to spare, and that team needs a goalie, and we have that with Luongo.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 11:18 PM

So we give Florida one of our core players but don't get one of their core players in return?


The thing is that he is not a core player anymore, nor does he want to be. Schneider is the core goalie now.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 11:30 PM

Not exactly luo talk but previously I had said that my ball hockey team is playing against Petrovic's team in the playoffs In the previous luongo thread and I was going to give a detailed analysis on his ball hockey skills every guy that I have played against that has been drafted or played some sort of pro hockey usually doesn't play their position Petrovic on the other hand was playing D his stick handling was unreal and he could spring guys like crazy he didn't really shoot much and was an average runner. He wasn't the best player in our games that's for sure. Btw we won series, went the distance and we won 2-1.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:04 AM

However Doan isn't signed.
No real argument with your thinking otherwise.
No way Neil is coming out of Ottawa after the playoffs he had. A player like him would answer a lot of Vancouver needs. I still question who you have on the left side with Kesler and Booth if you are trading Lou for a center. Sign Doan and you drop Burrows to the 3rd? I haven't seen him play the left side.

It will be an interesting couple of weeks.



Sign Doan and Burrows still plays right wing in the top six - Doan would be a good fit with either line, as is Burrows.
Booth is Kesler's left winger - Burrows plays right wing with the Sedins, but only because the Canucks have Daniel, Burrows, Booth, Higgins, Raymond - all left wingers - with Hansen being the top natural right winger on the roster - part of what would make signing Doan such a blessing as a power forward on the right wing is just what the lineup needs. Also part of the reason I really like the Kassian deal.
I like Schroeder but if the Canucks sign Doan, I think adding a center becomes the most likely position of interest in a Luongo deal, with Kesler's health an uncertainty.
Regarding Neil - I'd say pay the price to make it happen - a Canucks lineup if he and Doan were added - altogether different level of "pushback."

Edited by oldnews, 27 July 2012 - 12:11 AM.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:52 AM

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:26 AM

It's actually quite amazing how CDC can't agree on Luongo's value. Either he's an elite goalie at a bargain caphit or a glorified overpaid backup with a stupid long contract.


I choose option #2, maybe not quite that harsh though.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:29 AM

The thing is that he is not a core player anymore, nor does he want to be. Schneider is the core goalie now.


Also, it's been made pretty obvious that we are trying to unload him. Getting any kind of serious player in return seems fairly unlikely IMO.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:17 AM

It's really simple.

Scenario A: A team gives in and offers us a deal closer to what he's worth a combo of a top 6 forward/top 4 Dman, blue chip prospect/picks.

Scenario B: Teams continue to try and low ball us, in which case Gillis will have no issues rolling with the 1A 1B system until someone's goaltending system fails, in which case they pay us even more. Make no doubts about it, everybody in the organization will know it's Luongo on the way out and that it will be Schneider in net come April.

The bottom line is, we've owned the prez trophy 2 years in a row, it's done nothing for us. This trade should give us the best chance at winning the cup, so it doesn't make a difference if it happens todday or in October or November.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:43 AM

It's really simple.

Scenario A: A team gives in and offers us a deal closer to what he's worth a  combo of a top 6 forward/top 4 Dman, blue chip prospect/picks.

Scenario B: Teams continue to try and low ball us, in which case Gillis will have no issues rolling with the 1A 1B system until someone's goaltending system fails, in which case they pay us even more. Make no doubts about it, everybody in the organization will know it's Luongo on the way out and that it will be Schneider in net come April.

The bottom line is, we've owned the prez trophy 2 years in a row, it's done nothing for us. This trade should give us the best chance at winning the cup, so it doesn't make a difference if it happens todday or in October or November.


Great post, patience is the key here. We already have a great team with or without Luongo - Gillis is in no hurry to trade him.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:37 AM

So we give Florida one of our core players but don't get one of their core players in return?


It's a bit of a catch-22. Everyone knows that the Canucks want Shane Doan. By all reports, they're probably going to have to overpay to get him.

If the Canucks took on a core player from Florida in a Luongo trade, they would no longer be able to compete for Doan.

For this reason, I believe that nothing will happen on the Luongo front until the situation with Doan is resolved. If Gillis is able to pull off a Shane Doan deal, then prospects and/or picks is pretty much all we can take from the Panthers.

Personally, I'd be fine with that. Bjugstad and any combination of Howden, Matthias, Ellerby or Petrovic would be fine by me. (We're not getting Huberdeau or Gudbranson)
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:08 AM

If we trade for Weiss which i think we should I think we can get away with Raymond,Luo and a 3rd for Weiss Ellerby and a second round pick.Kesler is hurt but when back we wouldnt need Doan as kesler can play rw with booth weiss Kes and can help take faceoff's. We could also trade Manny and ballard any plus Luo should get a deal done and we'd get a better pick thrown in.I just still can't believe people want to wait till season starts or trade deadline as Luo would sit out till a deal is done and who wants to pay him to sit out??Get a trade done and soon MG or get us a GM that will get it done!!!I like MG but a few things he's done makes me think WTF is he doing!!
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:20 AM

Did you forget how to quote people?

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Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:37 AM

If we trade for Weiss which i think we should I think we can get away with Raymond,Luo and a 3rd for Weiss Ellerby and a second round pick


You know Weiss is an untouchable unless something significant is coming back in return don't you.
Unless your willing to part with a roster player like Kesler, Burrows, Edler there's not a chance in hell Canucks get Weiss.
Raymond doesn't add any value in a trade and good luck getting a 2nd on top.

As much as I would want to fleece the Panthers, Tallon isn't a retarded GM.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:54 AM

Luo and Raymond are worth more then Weiss,Weiss as stated by others is an average or bit better center,not an elite player.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:13 PM

It's actually quite amazing how CDC can't agree on Luongo's value. Either he's an elite goalie at a bargain caphit or a glorified overpaid backup with a stupid long contract.

The only people who think the later is true are those butthurt about not winning game 7 of the stanley cup final. Get over it: 29 teams a year don't win the cup.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:38 PM

Never Knew Ellerby and Doan are first cousins.

wouldn't hurt getting him in the deal and using that as a way to convince Doan to sign here
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 03:43 PM

Luongo will get traded to Washington or Philly. It's not far to Florida.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:01 PM

Luo and Raymond are worth more then Weiss,Weiss as stated by others is an average or bit better center,not an elite player.


Raymond Has little to no value, for how much he is paid, I would go as far as saying he is very much a negative asset. I believe he will bounce back but as of today he has not proven he recovered from his extremely horrible back injury

Secondly, I think we are all being a little foolish in saying that Luongo is going to FLA it has been widely speculated and reported through various sources that FLA and VAN havnt discussed Luongo since the begining of July. Because of this I believe 1 of 2 things are happening

1) gillis is waiting for the market to heat up

2) gillis is in discussion with other teams regarding luongo.

Gillis holds his cards tight to his chest, I can honestly say that I don't recall a Gillis based rumour ever coming to fruition. I imagine he is working on a trade just don't assume its with Florida.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:07 PM

Gillis holds his cards tight to his chest, I can honestly say that I don't recall a Gillis based rumour ever coming to fruition. I imagine he is working on a trade just don't assume its with Florida.


Honestly?

I seem to recall both Hamhuis and Garrison being rumoured....

...and of course the Sundin saga lasted for months...
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