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#1 bobby loocid dreamer

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 12:43 PM

Blockbuster time!

To VAN: Jarome Iginla
To CAL: Alex Edler, Mason Raymond

Why for Van? A well rounded star to fill out the top 6. He wants a go at the Stanley Cup. Would look scary on either Sedin's or Kesler's wing. He has one year left and you know he will sign at a discount in order to chase a ring or two. Edler is a heavy price to pay but we can drop him now that we have Garrison.

Why for Cal? Its time for a rebuild. Building their defense around Edler and Wideman is a positive first step. They love their leader in Iginla and I think Feaster respects him enough to let him go for a Cup (think Bourque and Boston). 2 young highly skilled plays for one aging one is a good return.

To VAN: Jose Theodore, Keaton Ellerby, 1st Round Pick.
To FLA: Roberto Luongo, Kevin Connauton

Why for Van? I think we are all realizing that Roberto does not demand the return we would all want for him. A solid experienced back up, a big strong young stay at home defenseman with upside and a 1st round pick is a solid return.

Why for Fla? They land an excellent goaltender who played his best hockey in Florida. Connauton is an average prospect but he would blunt the loss of Ellerby.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 12:47 PM

Hell no to the first deal. As much as I love and respect Iggy, I'd rather have 10+ more years of Edler over maybe 3 or 4 with Iginla.

As for the second deal, I wouldn't mind it. As long as we get a 1st round draft pick with a Luongo trade, I'll be happy.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:00 PM

Has it not already been confirmed that Theodore WILL NOT waive his no-trade clause to come here?
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:03 PM

I'd rather not watch Edler become the "focal point" of a rebuild in Calgary...eeeeyuck.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:08 PM

Calgary isn't rebuilding, no matter how much they should be.
Theodore don't want to come here.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:08 PM

If Iggy was 7 years younger, then I'd probably do the trade. But a big NO to both deals. Luongo can get much more than what you are proposing.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:30 PM

Personally, I would consider the first one only if Edler wont sign for what Gillis can afford.

The second deal I do not like.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:47 PM

we get raped in both deals lol
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:47 PM

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Don't give up on Connauton.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 02:26 PM

Bend over MG cause Feaster and Tallon are feeling randy!
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 05:53 PM

Honestly both deals suck

Iginlas got 2-3 years left

Second deal we give up too much

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 07:53 PM

I wouldn't trade Edler AND Connauton... We would need Connauton in the future to fill in the offense that Edler provides
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:20 PM

"N" to the first, as in Not going to rent Iginla by paying them Edler to build around
"O" to the second, as in Oh how people undervalue Luongo here, once teams get desperate in net they'll want him. Lu and Connauton for Theodore, Ellerby and 1st? REALLY
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:36 PM

You guys have no idea who Jarome Iginla is. He's old. So what? You want someone younger like Crosby? One hit to the head and he's on the shelf for 4 months. You guys know how many games Iggy has missed in the last DECADE? I'll give you a hint, it's less than what Crosby missed last season. Iggy has missed 20 games in the last 10 years! He's scored 30 goals or more a season since about 1974 and that is playing with a bunch of nobodies. My apologies to Craig Conroy and Olli Jokinen. He's what every hockey player should aspire to me. Tough, can defend himself, score, passing ability, leadership etc. Look up the word "consistent" in the dictionary and you'll probably see a pic of Iginla. He's everything you want in a hockey player and you guys won't trade him for Edler? You kidding me? Marchand tries to pull that crap with Iggy? He'll be on his ass way before his gloves touches Iggy's face. Well it doesen't matter, cuz the chances of him ever leaving Calgary is about maybe 2% and the chances of him in a nuck uniform is way below zero.

Edited by Schnieds, 26 September 2012 - 09:58 PM.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:08 PM

"N" to the first, as in Not going to rent Iginla by paying them Edler to build around
"O" to the second, as in Oh how people undervalue Luongo here, once teams get desperate in net they'll want him. Lu and Connauton for Theodore, Ellerby and 1st? REALLY


Nobody is undervaluing Luongo here. We're just being realistic as to what return we can get for him and what an opposing GM will offer for him. If you guys say you don't want Iggy cuz he's too old, why would another team want Luongo and his 10 year contract at 5.3M a seaon when Luongo's only 2 years younger than Iggy? If Tallon won't give up Bjudstad for Luongo, what makes you think he'll give up Theodore, Ellerby and a 1st for Luongo and Connauton? In a deep draft like the upcoming one, I'll take that package over Bjudstad anyday, but Tallon isn't stupid.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:44 PM

Nobody is undervaluing Luongo here. We're just being realistic as to what return we can get for him and what an opposing GM will offer for him. If you guys say you don't want Iggy cuz he's too old, why would another team want Luongo and his 10 year contract at 5.3M a seaon when Luongo's only 2 years younger than Iggy? If Tallon won't give up Bjudstad for Luongo, what makes you think he'll give up Theodore, Ellerby and a 1st for Luongo and Connauton? In a deep draft like the upcoming one, I'll take that package over Bjudstad anyday, but Tallon isn't stupid.

Luongo alone could get Theodore, Ellerby and a 1st. You are undervaluing Luongo here.

Iggy and Lu fill different spots and their values depend on what team needs a 1st line forward or an elite goalie. Many teams probably don't want to trade for Iginla as many of said he is getting old and will likely retire within the next 2-4 years. Whereas Luongo has (quoting Jovanovski) about 5 years left of elite play and would more than likely have a 2006-07 effect on a team like Toronto who hasn't made the playoffs in how ever many years it is.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:18 AM

@Schneids

Edler is way younger than Iginla.

I would rather not give up our best defenceman for a forward we get for 2-3 years.



Edler for 10 more years > Iginla for 2-3 more years
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:35 AM

@Schneids

Edler is way younger than Iginla.

I would rather not give up our best defenceman for a forward we get for 2-3 years.



Edler for 10 more years > Iginla for 2-3 more years


I guess it's a matter of what each fan wants. This team isn't getting any younger. The twins aren't getting any younger. Our window to win is closing by the day. I'll take a much better chance of winning the cup with Iggy for 2-3 more years, I realistically think he has 4-5 more years > Edler for 10 more years. Sorry, Edler is NOT our best defenceman. It's Hamhuis by a mile. But this argument is moot cuz like I said, unless Feaster wants to be shot in the head, there's is realistically 0% chance of Iggy ever being a Canuck.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 05:14 PM

I would have probably done the first trade like 5 years ago, but not now.

Also no to second deal.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:50 PM

I feel like Schneids is on the right track.

Our window is closing.

Edler may be a stud in a few years but the twins will be well past their prime and Kesler is already breaking down.

We need to make a sacrifice on our future to get to the glory land in our present.

If we are happy making the playoffs for the next 10 seasons then don't make these trades. But I think we all want the Stanley Cup and that means making one last big push now. That is what this proposal is.

Understand that good teams (like us) dont win the Cup. Great teams win the Cup. Lets make us great, lets win the Stanley Cup a couple times then lets rebuild and start all over. Its the way of the NHL now. If you realize that you realize that our window is closing and if we dont act now we turn into Calgary- a team too old to compete and too stupid to realize it.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:51 PM

So we should trade Edler, Schneider, Kassian, Jensen, Tanev, etc.?
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:56 PM

I feel like Schneids is on the right track.

Our window is closing.

Edler may be a stud in a few years but the twins will be well past their prime and Kesler is already breaking down..

Kesler is not breaking down. People need to realize that Kes wasn't going to win back to back Selke's and have another 40+ goal season after coming off a serious hip injury & surgery.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:56 PM


Sigh...double post....

Edited by Steven Stamkos' Mullet, 27 September 2012 - 08:57 PM.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:42 PM

So we should trade Edler, Schneider, Kassian, Jensen, Tanev, etc.?


Nope. I don't think we should sell the farm completely but if a young player lands us a better player today that we can afford, then I think we should consider it. Edler gets us a player who will take us to the next level. We can't get a better goaltender than Schneider for Schneider. Kassian Jensen and Tanev are all good players but I don't think trading them would result in us trading up.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:04 PM

Ellerby sucks
Cannauton drafted late, but would not at all call him an average prospect
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 01:56 PM

Tavev in the top four I also find scary. Especially when there's an injury. He has no offensive game and he's as soft as the twins. The only real thing he has going for him is poise, skating and puck smarts.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:30 PM

- Huge no to the first deal (same reasons as everyone else as expressed)

- No to the 2nd, I dont wanna trade Connaution, and what we are getting doesnt really appease me.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:24 PM

Why does Calgary take a rental for Iggy? Because we chuck in homeboy (from near Calgary) Raymond?

They will be looking for a serious young prospect and picks for Iggy. Its not in any way the type of deal they look for to give up their (better version of) Trevor Linden if they finally re-build.

Blockbuster time! To VAN: Jarome Iginla To CAL: Alex Edler, Mason Raymond Why for Van? A well rounded star to fill out the top 6. He wants a go at the Stanley Cup. Would look scary on either Sedin's or Kesler's wing. He has one year left and you know he will sign at a discount in order to chase a ring or two. Edler is a heavy price to pay but we can drop him now that we have Garrison. Why for Cal? Its time for a rebuild. Building their defense around Edler and Wideman is a positive first step. They love their leader in Iginla and I think Feaster respects him enough to let him go for a Cup (think Bourque and Boston). 2 young highly skilled plays for one aging one is a good return. To VAN: Jose Theodore, Keaton Ellerby, 1st Round Pick. To FLA: Roberto Luongo, Kevin Connauton Why for Van? I think we are all realizing that Roberto does not demand the return we would all want for him. A solid experienced back up, a big strong young stay at home defenseman with upside and a 1st round pick is a solid return. Why for Fla? They land an excellent goaltender who played his best hockey in Florida. Connauton is an average prospect but he would blunt the loss of Ellerby. Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Booth-Kesler-Iginla Higgins-Schroeder-Hansen Weise-Lapierre-Kassian Malhotra-Volpatti Bieksa-Hamhuis Ballard-Tanev Garrison-Ellerby Alberts Schneider-Theodore 23 Man Roster 2012/13 Cap Hit: 66.41 Million


I agree. K Not is probably the guy to quarterback our 2knd PP even this year, and would possibly be a PP specialist to do exactly the same for our 1st PP if we lost Edler. Thats also his likely future for us, a lot to give up.

He also might (big word) be a good enough rushing the puck that he solves other problems for us and becomes integral to our top 4 in 2 years. It's a bigger leap, but it's also worth letting it play itself out, rather than giving up on him! If Edler were gone, he is the last guy we will be handing away.

Don't give up on Connauton. Trust me.


I absolutely adore Iginla; easily my favorite non Canuck player! I agree he epitomizes what you want in a winger, a true superstar.

We still cannot give up Edler, weaken our D, and go on a cup run with this deal, this year. We would be too weak on D unless we score that back elsewhere. I also can't make this deal straight up from our end.

It just makes no sense at either end. Sorry Iggy :(

You guys have no idea who Jarome Iginla is. He's old. So what? You want someone younger like Crosby? One hit to the head and he's on the shelf for 4 months. You guys know how many games Iggy has missed in the last DECADE? I'll give you a hint, it's less than what Crosby missed last season. Iggy has missed 20 games in the last 10 years! He's scored 30 goals or more a season since about 1974 and that is playing with a bunch of nobodies. My apologies to Craig Conroy and Olli Jokinen. He's what every hockey player should aspire to me. Tough, can defend himself, score, passing ability, leadership etc. Look up the word "consistent" in the dictionary and you'll probably see a pic of Iginla. He's everything you want in a hockey player and you guys won't trade him for Edler? You kidding me? Marchand tries to pull that crap with Iggy? He'll be on his ass way before his gloves touches Iggy's face. Well it doesen't matter, cuz the chances of him ever leaving Calgary is about maybe 2% and the chances of him in a nuck uniform is way below zero.


Only thing; both Iggy and Edler are UFA next year. It really does not matter what either does in 2 or 10 years until we establish who would sign?

@Schneids Edler is way younger than Iginla. I would rather not give up our best defenceman for a forward we get for 2-3 years. Edler for 10 more years > Iginla for 2-3 more years


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 06 October 2012 - 06:27 PM.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:33 AM

Man I would love to have Iginla on the Canucks. Absolutely love the guy. He's exactly what this team needs. He's good for 4 more years.

I would not trade Edler though. He's going to be a career Canuck and future Norris winner. Hopefully multiple Norris winner. Edler will be a superstar in the league. He doesn't get enough credit yet but he's about to hit his prime in a year or two.

Re sign Edler long term, sign Iginla as UFA next july.

A trade for Iginla will also require Jensen going the other way and I don't think that is going to happen.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:07 AM

Iginla to a division rival? Yeah right I don't think so. The Canucks would have to be pretty stupid to trade for him at this stage in his career, especially for Edler+.
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