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The thing with The Rock is that his schtick for all these years IS his whole persona/character. When you take away that, he's just Dwayne Johnson and no one really wants to see that. It's like telling Austin, you can't say your catchpharses anymore, drink beer and open a can of whoop ass on anyone. Or telling Undertaker to get rid of his gimmick and we all know how well that went. His schtick might be lame and out-dated, but people will find it humorous, simply because he's The Rock. There will always be people that will say The Rock has loss his touch, but you can't deny that no one in the WWE right now can entertain the fans like The Rock. Cena, at times can do that, when he's not acting like a total idiot.

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You guys do realize the boxing with god line wasn't original...

Not many people know of it which made it sound awesome when Punk did this. I have heard it before in a rap song from 1998:

And from wiki:

The phrase first appeared in James Weldon Johnson's sermon "The Prodigal Son", which was published in his 1927 book of sermons, God's Trombones: Seven Negro Sermons in Verse. The passage reads:

Young man-

Young man-

Your arms too short to box with God.

But Jesus spake in a parable, and he said:

A certain man had two sons,

Jesus didn't give this man a name,

But his is God Almighty.

And Jesus didn't call these sons by name,

But every young man,

Every where,

Is one of these two sons…

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The thing with The Rock is that his schtick for all these years IS his whole persona/character. When you take away that, he's just Dwayne Johnson and no one really wants to see that. It's like telling Austin, you can't say your catchpharses anymore, drink beer and open a can of whoop ass on anyone. Or telling Undertaker to get rid of his gimmick and we all know how well that went. His schtick might be lame and out-dated, but people will find it humorous, simply because he's The Rock. There will always be people that will say The Rock has loss his touch, but you can't deny that no one in the WWE right now can entertain the fans like The Rock. Cena, at times can do that, when he's not acting like a total idiot.

i can agree with that

i actually liked taker's biker phase

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at the end of the day, whatever the rock says; it's dated. we've heard it all before. i was a fan of the rock since he joined the nation of domination.

back in the day, as a kid, i hated his guts. looking back today, rocky was gold when he was in the nation. he baited the fans in so well with the rocky sucks chants. however, as soon as austin went down and he had to carry the company while he was gone, that's where it all began with the "schtick," and he started working with jericho against triple h and steph and the coporation. at the time, it was great tv, don't get me wrong. but this is 2013, not 2000/2001

but when i was 13/14, i loved the rock's gag. i loved calling people at school a jabroni and stuff like that and calling them a money's ass, but i'm 24 years old now and that stuff is kind of, meh

punk may be breaking the 4th wall a little bit, but i really don't care. that's just his character-- that's who he is. classic, old school wrestling and keeping kayfabe, those days are pretty much over with WWE whoring themselves to social media and all of this community stuff they do

i'm not making excuses, since i am a cm punk guy, but some people need to get with the times here

people can rag on cena for being a nerd for some of the stuff he says, but it's all about delivery. cena is one of the best talkers today, whether you like it or not. same with cm punk, cesaro is starting to grow on me, but the whole, "i don't like you fat, lazy fans" has been done to death. he could do so much more. dolph is pretty good, aj is one of the most important characters on the roster right now, hell i even love vicki guerrero's work. it just takes 2 words for the entire arena to boo her out the building

but at the end of the day, the rock is... the rock. one of the icons of the attitude era but that can only get you so far today. he still has a tonne of charisma, but unfortunately, it's still stuck in the year 2000

This is exactly how I feel. I hope CM Punk wins at the Rumble. I will mark the frack out.

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I don't see them giving Rock the title if he's not going to defend it at Wrestlemania against Jericho (when he returns and wins the Rumble). Plus Punk seems to have the Shield taking care of his near losses. I love Punk, he's the best heel in the business and the best wrestler. He didn't turn face, the Universe turned him into one because they were hating on Cena so much. Because of their feud he had to really alienate himself so it wouldn't be weird having a face / face title run.

And on the subject of the Rock's shtick, sure it's old but it's funny. The kids and immature adults seem to love it. And it seems like that is where Cena got most of his routine. I've laughed a few times at some of the things Cena has said. Sure, he's a horrible wrestler and he's corny as hell but he can make me laugh. I have a broad sense of humor and even the dorkiest thing can make me laugh. (and to get off topic on that I have a friend I play Red Dead Redemption with online, he's British and I never hear him laugh or crack jokes, very monotone in his speech, shows no emotion. One time he told a really dry joke, I don't remember it but I caught it and called him out on it and made him laugh).

Still waiting on Rhodes Scholars to win the Tag Team Titles. Team Hell No has run it's course and they aren't doing the "I'm the tag team champions!" anymore so there's no point in them having it.

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"Superstar" Billy Graham posted this on his Facebook:

I watch the last hour of WWE Raw last night. It was the worst excuse for a show I have ever seen! My agent Scott is tight with legendary World Champion Bruno Sammartino. Scott has told me that WWE has been calling Brunno regularly begging him to go into the Hall of Fame. Bruno has been polite but has always said no thank you.

Tonight on RAW for the last 45 minutes of the show all they did was have CM PUNK talk, talk and more talk! The killer line came when Vince had Punk putting over his 314 straight days as world champ and then said and I quote, ” you had people like Burno Sammartino , only wrestled in Madison Square Garden only wrestled one a month.”

This was by far the biggest put down of Bruno ever. Why would WWE have Punk say that about someone they have been begging to go into the Hall of Fame for untold years? When that teenager looking CM Punk made that statement he was also talking about me, Ivan Koloff, Stan Hanson etc. Find the re run and listen closely and answer me this my Facebook friends – How can they justify putting down a real icon like this, and not get called out on it?

 Any news sites can quote me on my statement below:

CM Punk, I have lost all respect for you for nor saying no to the writers of the WWE for saying Bruno Sammartino only wrestled once a month in Madison Square Garden. You talk about one of the greatest icons ever in pro wrestling like he was a JOBBER??? You should be ashamed of yourself for not having the self-dignity to say NO to the writers on that line. That line you delivered indicates that I am a big loser like Bruno as well and insults me as I wrestled in the same era as Bruno. This only confirms more that I want my name out of the WWE Hall of Fame.

How many monthly sell outs have you yourself drawn at Madison Square Garden? Not a PPV or the Raw TV show. Quit talking trash about Bruno. It’s an insult to him and all the wrestlers of his era including myself!

Apparently he forgot what a heel is.

Chris Jericho@IAmJericho

Dear Superstar Billy Graham, Shut the hell up and stop being such a mark. Your Pal, Chris Jericho

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"sweet tapdancing jesus what is that on your face?" lol

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Lillian still wants the peoples' strudel

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Jake Roberts Interview: Living With DDP, Getting & Staying Sober

WWE legend Jake "The Snake" Roberts recently spoke to

Shiningwizards.com about living with DDP at the "Accountability Crib," what it's like to be sober for the first time in years and much more. Here are the highlights:

On his sobriety and the struggle: It's really cool, you walk into my bedroom here at the Accountability Crib, that's what we're calling it (DDP's house), and right to the right there's a big frame, a real nice frame, no money spared on that, and inside is my first drug test that I've passed. And I've got many more. Many more. I'm sixty-seven days clean and I'm not missing it at all, man- there's been a couple of moments where I'm like "Sonofabitch, I'd like to have a drink," you know. One was yesterday, I had to do an MRI, and I'm claustrophobic... you're in the gigantic machine, it drops down to about an inch above your face, and all the noises start, it's really horrible, man. It's really funny, when you hit something that really bothers ya, damn, it bothers ya, clean or dirty. And those things bother me. It'd been twenty-something years since I had the last one. It was a tough moment for me, and I shouted "gosh darn it, I need a drink.' But I didn't mean it. I was just playing with my mind. 'Cause sometimes you gotta lie to yourself to keep from running from the truth.

On the happenings at DDP's house, including his routine and his diet: Especially for me- he spends a lot of time yelling at me, saying "quit doing that!" And what he means is, quit working on the house. 'Cause I like doing woodworking, things like that. And I'm a clean freak... Once I messed my shoulder up- It's funny how goofy my mind works sometimes. Like, here I am in this horrible pain, and I'm watching the other guys work out, and I'm jealous. I'm pissed off. Dammit, I wanna work out, you know? Which is really different, I might have felt like that before, but never about working out, it was about drugs or something, you know? But you get to feeling good about yourself, and you just want to do the right thing all the time. At first, it was kind of dodgy, 'cause you have to remember what the right thing was. And my mind was pretty cloudy. It had a lot of moments that weren't real clear. But now that my mind's clear, I know what I wanna do, and I know before I even do it what the right thing is. Before, doing the right thing was a hit-or-miss thing. But living here, I wake up 7, 7:30 in the morning; last time I did that I was usually going to bed. That's not a good thing. I hit the hot tub, get the parts to moving, and I'm ready to work out. I'm ready to sweat, ready to get after it. That's what we do every day. And we eat right. That's what so nice; for all the pain you spill out, you're being twisted in all these positions. This ain't your momma's yoga, as you all know. You're not sitting in a corner holding your thumbs up humming or anything. There ain't none of that crap going on. There's a lot of squealing and a lot of barking, maybe, but none of that. But eating right is such a big part of it. What I found out is, eating good actually tastes better than the crap I was eating before. No gluten, and no dairy. The only thing that bothered me about dairy was no cheese, 'cause I love cheese, man. But then I found out there's cheese you can eat, which is sheep cheese. It's awesome. It's friggin awesome stuff, man. And it's not bad for you... Then we get on this stuff called chuice... I detoxed on it. Not so much off of drugs but off of bad food. And I'd wake up in the morning and I'm like "alright, somebody came in my room last night and pissed on me," 'cause I smelled like piss. It'd be okay if they left me a dollar or something, but they didn't even do that. But it wasn't. It was my body excreting all these toxins and stuff that had been built up in my body for so friggin' long, you know? I probably could've sold that crap to some junkie somewhere, he could've refined it and smoked it or something... I can't believe how much clearer my mind is, my speech is much clearer... It's not a concentration camp here, it's about loving each other, and reaching out, helping each other, and positive attitude.

On his current state: I'm fixing this old body up... I have a positive attitude, I feel good about myself. I think the funniest thing that's happened since I've been here is I was taking a shower about three weeks ago- I take a shower every day, just wanna make that clear, if you're thinking "Jake's a stinkin' sonofabitch."- I look down and I'm like "Oh, my God, I've got six toes!" But it wasn't a toe, it was my penis!" I hadn't seen it in a few years, you know? And I'm looking down like, "Damn, somebody must've exchanged mine." 'Cause mine was much bigger... As silly as that sounds, man, it's like, "Damn, it's good to see that." You know, I'm getting thin, I'm 247 pounds. So I've lost 60 pounds, and I want to drop about 15-20 more. And lean and mean, man, getting around- if I get down on the floor I can get up by myself now. Even with the bad shoulder, it's not much fun but I can still do it. Before, you'd have to help me out of a chair. I couldn't get up, man. You know, I've had hip replacement, I had part of my left foot removed, two discs out of my neck. Okay, I know my crap's all busted up. But doing this program of Dallas'- I'm doing crap with my body I've never did before. And I wouldn't have thought I would have ever wanted to do it. But now I'm challenging my body to try new things, to bend new ways, to twist new ways, to open things up. My hips feel so much better, my feet feel so much better, my hands, i can straighten my fingers out now. Before I couldn't straighten my fingers out... they said I've been hit in the head too many times, yeah, and my brain misfires, and it was causing my fingers and my toes to contract. Which is okay for some things when you're right-handed, but it's not good for your feet. I would be walking, and my toe would catch in the carpet, and then I'd be bending over, and of course I'd be stepping, and I'd break it again. So I was breaking toes quite often, which is not a really a cool sound to hear. "Oh, crap, there's another one." Now they're straightening out, I can move them again. But the bottom line is, I can actually dream again, man. You see, I was to the point where I would get so angry when I'd wake up in the morning, saying "Sonofabitch, I'm still alive." I'd be pissed off. I mean, as sick as it sounds, it's the truth. If I heard somebody died, I would be jealous. What a lucky bastard. 'Cause I wanted to die. I wasn't suicidal because I had hurt my family and kids enough doing the stupid crap I'd already done. I wouldn't do that. But, man, I was sure hoping for death. And I hadn't had a dream in so many years, where something positive, you know, something good, and now I'm thinking of good stuff to do, fun stuff to do. Last week I actually went and walked up Stone Mountain. I know they always introduced me from Stone Mountain, that's a rib on the fans, too. I'd only been there about 3-4 times in my life... I actually went and did that. It's not an easy trek up there. Takes about 45 minutes of walking at a pretty good pace. The hard part about it is, Stone Mountain is not a smooth trail up there. You gotta step up and move, and get up there. We put some of that on YouTube and I'm gonna start doing that every week. If somebody told me six months ago I'd actually be able to get up that sonofabitch, I'd have laughed in your face, called you a liar, and tried to punch you because I'd thought you were trying to be cute and make a joke or make fun of me. That's how bad my body was. But hell, I went up that sonofabitch. I'm gonna try and do it every week. Now my goal is to actually run up the damn thing... It may take me a year, but by God I'll tell you something, at some point, if I stick with this program, I'm going to. Ain't nothing stopping me now... Y'all couldn't handle Jake when he was screwed up, what the hell are you gonna do with me now?

On inspiring others:If you're walking around in a negative cloud, not being positive or uplifting about yourself at all, then how the hell are you expecting to move forward? You can't. You're stuck in crap. I just know that there's so many people that I will affect with my journey to sobriety and my journey to health that it will mean so much more on the big scheme of things than my wrestling career ever did. There's millions of people out there that never watched wrestling, they don't know Jake, but I can give you a list of crap that I have overcame, and if that don't inspire you, then kiss my ass... Three of my kids called me on a conference call, and they said, you know, "Dad, we're always proud of ya, what you accomplished in the ring. You did so much. What you're doing right now- [what you've done in the ring] pales in comparison to what you're doing right now." And for my kids to tell me that, to tell me they were proud of me, you know, that kicks ass... Life is a beautiful thing, but life is what you make it. I spent 57 years making mine a mess, and I ain't doing that no more.

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

LOL never ever mess with Y2J. wonder if Billy had something to say about that

Jake Roberts Interview: Living With DDP, Getting & Staying Sober

WWE legend Jake "The Snake" Roberts recently spoke to

Shiningwizards.com about living with DDP at the "Accountability Crib," what it's like to be sober for the first time in years and much more. Here are the highlights:

On his sobriety and the struggle: It's really cool, you walk into my bedroom here at the Accountability Crib, that's what we're calling it (DDP's house), and right to the right there's a big frame, a real nice frame, no money spared on that, and inside is my first drug test that I've passed. And I've got many more. Many more. I'm sixty-seven days clean and I'm not missing it at all, man- there's been a couple of moments where I'm like "Sonofabitch, I'd like to have a drink," you know. One was yesterday, I had to do an MRI, and I'm claustrophobic... you're in the gigantic machine, it drops down to about an inch above your face, and all the noises start, it's really horrible, man. It's really funny, when you hit something that really bothers ya, damn, it bothers ya, clean or dirty. And those things bother me. It'd been twenty-something years since I had the last one. It was a tough moment for me, and I shouted "gosh darn it, I need a drink.' But I didn't mean it. I was just playing with my mind. 'Cause sometimes you gotta lie to yourself to keep from running from the truth.

On the happenings at DDP's house, including his routine and his diet: Especially for me- he spends a lot of time yelling at me, saying "quit doing that!" And what he means is, quit working on the house. 'Cause I like doing woodworking, things like that. And I'm a clean freak... Once I messed my shoulder up- It's funny how goofy my mind works sometimes. Like, here I am in this horrible pain, and I'm watching the other guys work out, and I'm jealous. I'm pissed off. Dammit, I wanna work out, you know? Which is really different, I might have felt like that before, but never about working out, it was about drugs or something, you know? But you get to feeling good about yourself, and you just want to do the right thing all the time. At first, it was kind of dodgy, 'cause you have to remember what the right thing was. And my mind was pretty cloudy. It had a lot of moments that weren't real clear. But now that my mind's clear, I know what I wanna do, and I know before I even do it what the right thing is. Before, doing the right thing was a hit-or-miss thing. But living here, I wake up 7, 7:30 in the morning; last time I did that I was usually going to bed. That's not a good thing. I hit the hot tub, get the parts to moving, and I'm ready to work out. I'm ready to sweat, ready to get after it. That's what we do every day. And we eat right. That's what so nice; for all the pain you spill out, you're being twisted in all these positions. This ain't your momma's yoga, as you all know. You're not sitting in a corner holding your thumbs up humming or anything. There ain't none of that crap going on. There's a lot of squealing and a lot of barking, maybe, but none of that. But eating right is such a big part of it. What I found out is, eating good actually tastes better than the crap I was eating before. No gluten, and no dairy. The only thing that bothered me about dairy was no cheese, 'cause I love cheese, man. But then I found out there's cheese you can eat, which is sheep cheese. It's awesome. It's friggin awesome stuff, man. And it's not bad for you... Then we get on this stuff called chuice... I detoxed on it. Not so much off of drugs but off of bad food. And I'd wake up in the morning and I'm like "alright, somebody came in my room last night and pissed on me," 'cause I smelled like piss. It'd be okay if they left me a dollar or something, but they didn't even do that. But it wasn't. It was my body excreting all these toxins and stuff that had been built up in my body for so friggin' long, you know? I probably could've sold that crap to some junkie somewhere, he could've refined it and smoked it or something... I can't believe how much clearer my mind is, my speech is much clearer... It's not a concentration camp here, it's about loving each other, and reaching out, helping each other, and positive attitude.

On his current state: I'm fixing this old body up... I have a positive attitude, I feel good about myself. I think the funniest thing that's happened since I've been here is I was taking a shower about three weeks ago- I take a shower every day, just wanna make that clear, if you're thinking "Jake's a stinkin' sonofabitch."- I look down and I'm like "Oh, my God, I've got six toes!" But it wasn't a toe, it was my penis!" I hadn't seen it in a few years, you know? And I'm looking down like, "Damn, somebody must've exchanged mine." 'Cause mine was much bigger... As silly as that sounds, man, it's like, "Damn, it's good to see that." You know, I'm getting thin, I'm 247 pounds. So I've lost 60 pounds, and I want to drop about 15-20 more. And lean and mean, man, getting around- if I get down on the floor I can get up by myself now. Even with the bad shoulder, it's not much fun but I can still do it. Before, you'd have to help me out of a chair. I couldn't get up, man. You know, I've had hip replacement, I had part of my left foot removed, two discs out of my neck. Okay, I know my crap's all busted up. But doing this program of Dallas'- I'm doing crap with my body I've never did before. And I wouldn't have thought I would have ever wanted to do it. But now I'm challenging my body to try new things, to bend new ways, to twist new ways, to open things up. My hips feel so much better, my feet feel so much better, my hands, i can straighten my fingers out now. Before I couldn't straighten my fingers out... they said I've been hit in the head too many times, yeah, and my brain misfires, and it was causing my fingers and my toes to contract. Which is okay for some things when you're right-handed, but it's not good for your feet. I would be walking, and my toe would catch in the carpet, and then I'd be bending over, and of course I'd be stepping, and I'd break it again. So I was breaking toes quite often, which is not a really a cool sound to hear. "Oh, crap, there's another one." Now they're straightening out, I can move them again. But the bottom line is, I can actually dream again, man. You see, I was to the point where I would get so angry when I'd wake up in the morning, saying "Sonofabitch, I'm still alive." I'd be pissed off. I mean, as sick as it sounds, it's the truth. If I heard somebody died, I would be jealous. What a lucky bastard. 'Cause I wanted to die. I wasn't suicidal because I had hurt my family and kids enough doing the stupid crap I'd already done. I wouldn't do that. But, man, I was sure hoping for death. And I hadn't had a dream in so many years, where something positive, you know, something good, and now I'm thinking of good stuff to do, fun stuff to do. Last week I actually went and walked up Stone Mountain. I know they always introduced me from Stone Mountain, that's a rib on the fans, too. I'd only been there about 3-4 times in my life... I actually went and did that. It's not an easy trek up there. Takes about 45 minutes of walking at a pretty good pace. The hard part about it is, Stone Mountain is not a smooth trail up there. You gotta step up and move, and get up there. We put some of that on YouTube and I'm gonna start doing that every week. If somebody told me six months ago I'd actually be able to get up that sonofabitch, I'd have laughed in your face, called you a liar, and tried to punch you because I'd thought you were trying to be cute and make a joke or make fun of me. That's how bad my body was. But hell, I went up that sonofabitch. I'm gonna try and do it every week. Now my goal is to actually run up the damn thing... It may take me a year, but by God I'll tell you something, at some point, if I stick with this program, I'm going to. Ain't nothing stopping me now... Y'all couldn't handle Jake when he was screwed up, what the hell are you gonna do with me now?

On inspiring others:If you're walking around in a negative cloud, not being positive or uplifting about yourself at all, then how the hell are you expecting to move forward? You can't. You're stuck in crap. I just know that there's so many people that I will affect with my journey to sobriety and my journey to health that it will mean so much more on the big scheme of things than my wrestling career ever did. There's millions of people out there that never watched wrestling, they don't know Jake, but I can give you a list of crap that I have overcame, and if that don't inspire you, then kiss my ass... Three of my kids called me on a conference call, and they said, you know, "Dad, we're always proud of ya, what you accomplished in the ring. You did so much. What you're doing right now- [what you've done in the ring] pales in comparison to what you're doing right now." And for my kids to tell me that, to tell me they were proud of me, you know, that kicks ass... Life is a beautiful thing, but life is what you make it. I spent 57 years making mine a mess, and I ain't doing that no more.

jake's got this. can't wait until we hear about scott hall now.

orton vs barrett was a pretty good match, i have to say. barrett getting a clean win against a main eventer on tv? guess they're going all in

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hell, that was a good diva's match. real good. eve sold that spear like a champ-- supposedly her last match

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They made the Cena and Ziggler match really good but the ending was kind of crap. Still a really good match though as a whole. Ziggler is amazing.

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So I just got up and turned my TV off in disgust.

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LOL never ever mess with Y2J. wonder if Billy had something to say about that

jake's got this. can't wait until we hear about scott hall now.

orton vs barrett was a pretty good match, i have to say. barrett getting a clean win against a main eventer on tv? guess they're going all in

If anyone can turn Hall's life around, I'm betting its DDP. He should definitely make for some interesting DDPTV

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Raws 20th anniversary sure is fitting to the product they dole out every week. It sucks!

twinkie tits and cookie puss... :picard:

The Rock should be ashamed of himself

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no hbk, no austin, no taker. the best they got was flair. what a horrible show. 2 good matches tonight. pretty typical RAW

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From the sounds of it, I'll only be watching The Rock's segment again.

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