TmanVan Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 That's fine if they want to substitute other players for value - the point I was making was more along the lines that Gardiner alone does not have the value of a player like Howard - he's a 17th pick with a good season and 30 points under his belt - he is not Bryan Leetch. It's kind of akin to the idea the Hodgson with a few months in the NHL and 30 points was ready to take minutes from Hank and Kesler - ie slow down. I personally would take a combination of players like Frattin, Biggs, and a pick over Gardiner. But I have heard a lot of nonsense to the effect that Luongo is worth a b roster player and a cap dump like Connolly or Komisarek - nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I hear what you are saying, but Edler was sixth among NHL defensemen last year with 49 points i- if that is not "offensive" enough, then my bad. I realize people here want Weber and Karlsson, but hey, we may just have to 'settle' for Edler, Hamhius, Bieksa, Garrison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Edler also plays the PP with the two best passers in the game. Canucks need a fast, smooth, agile dman who can break through the neutral zone with control. Edler and Weber are very good All Star dmen, IMO Canucks need an elite mobile offensive dman. Ehrhoff flourished with the Canucks, an elite dman would push the team over. Bring back Lumme, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I would love him but I doubt it would ever happen, like you I would put him on 2nd sometimes then use him on the PP. (Imagine Sedin's cycle game plus his clapper at the point, they could pass it around, get him wide open then feed it to him.) I don't think they would move him, but since you think it might be possible what do you think it will take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Like I said, the reason why Kovalchuk could be conceivably available is money, and money only. The Devils made it to the finals last season, and still reported a loss. They are bleeding money with a new rink to pay for. With that in mind, here's Kovalchuk's salary structure: 2010-11 $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2011-12 $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2012-13 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2013-14 $11,300,000 $11,300,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2014-15 $11,300,000 $11,300,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2015-16 $11,600,000 $11,600,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2016-17 $11,800,000 $11,800,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2017-18 $10,000,000 $10,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2018-19 $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2019-20 $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2020-21 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2021-22 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2022-23 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2023-24 $3,000,000 $3,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 2024-25 $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $0 $0 $6,666,667 Kovalchuk's salary is set to jump to 11 million per. Can they afford him? Perhaps, if the owners get enough of a scale back. But perhaps not... Prior to the Devils letting Parise walk and re-signing Brodeur, I suggested a Luongo + high pick/prospect for Kovalchuk deal. However, now that Parise is gone and Brodeur is there until 2014, it's a lot less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Dear Santa, Please give the King of the ES a life...because he spends way too much time here !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Like I said, the reason why Kovalchuk could be conceivably available is money, and money only. The Devils made it to the finals last season, and still reported a loss. They are bleeding money with a new rink to pay for. With that in mind, here's Kovalchuk's salary structure: 2010-11 $6,000,000 2011-12 $6,000,000 2012-13 $11,000,000 2013-14 $11,300,000 2014-15 $11,300,000 2015-16 $11,600,000 2016-17 $11,800,000 2017-18 $10,000,000 2018-19 $7,000,000 2019-20 $4,000,000 2020-21 $1,000,000... Kovalchuk's salary is set to jump to 11 million per. Can the Devils afford him? Perhaps, if the owners get enough of a scale back in the next CBA. But perhaps not... Prior to the Devils letting Parise walk and re-signing Brodeur, I suggested a Luongo + high pick/prospect for Kovalchuk deal. However, now that Parise is gone and Brodeur is there until 2014, it's a lot less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Good post, comparaison and insight. Burke is running out of time. Canucks have a lot of 2nd rate players and prospects. If Burke wants an All Star goalie, MG needs to make him pay. Rielly or Gardiner needs to be apart of a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Unfortunately, Brian Burke isn't stupid. He's aware - like the rest of the world is - that the Canucks need to get rid of Luongo. That is obvious. He also is aware that there are very few realistic buyers. Gillis really can't afford to "hold out", because of the above two fundamental market principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 ...and you know that there are few buyers how? Did Brian Burke tell you, or Mike Gillis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Unfortunately, Brian Burke isn't stupid. He's aware - like the rest of the world is - that the Canucks need to get rid of Luongo. That is obvious. He also is aware that there are very few realistic buyers. Gillis really can't afford to "hold out", because of the above two fundamental market principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 A lot of it depend on the new CBA. If the deal lowers player cap hits and doesn't punish existing long term contracts, then MG has an All Star starting goaltender in his pocket. IMO there will be more than 1 team in need of a starting goalie. COL, TB and CLB paid through the roof for unproven goaltenders. A proven and experienced All Star would be worth a lot. There are teams interested that us fans wouldn't even think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 ...and you know that there are few buyers how? Did Brian Burke tell you, or Mike Gillis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 A lot of it depend on the new CBA. If the deal lowers player cap hits and doesn't punish existing long term contracts, then MG has an All Star starting goaltender in his pocket. IMO there will be more than 1 team in need of a starting goalie. COL, TB and CLB paid through the roof for unproven goaltenders. A proven and experienced All Star would be worth a lot. There are teams interested that us fans wouldn't even think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 He knows this because The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by divine Providence, that He, King, is to know these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Look around the league. Teams are already heavily invested in other goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Look around the league. Teams are already heavily invested in other goalies. Acquiring Luongo would mean that they'd have to dump their existing goaltender somewhere else. Moves like these don't happen very often - like, never. It's not very productive to have a multi-page conversation on acquiring Jimmy Howard from the Wings, and then immediately flipping him to the Leafs, because it's just so unlikely an event to happen. So there's the pre-existing investment fact, and there's now the obvious fact that owners want NOTHING to do with the lifetime comment. Bill Daly's "the hill we will die on" comment should offer good support for that. No point hanging onto Luongo as his value will not be increasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Can you provide hard evidence that states other teams are doing this? Other wise I'm gonna assume you're just saying this to help support your claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 If the cap drops to what they are projecting, then it would be nearly impossible to institute without giving teams some sort of buy out option, which would completely change which teams could go after Lu. The Flyers for example could buy out Bryz, and trade for Lu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Look around the league. Teams are already heavily invested in other goalies. Acquiring Luongo would mean that they'd have to dump their existing goaltender somewhere else. Moves like these don't happen very often - like, never. It's not very productive to have a multi-page conversation on acquiring Jimmy Howard from the Wings, and then immediately flipping him to the Leafs, because it's just so unlikely an event to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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