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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:01 PM

Certainly Hello Magazine would take a hit, but wouldn't the collective wealth of Brit royals, be put to better use elsewhere? Like helping that country out in times of economic uncertainty? Or perhaps by giving the money to various charities so the starving and uneducated no longer have to be?

Or should they be kept around so they can rule over their glorious empire through the tabloids? I for one can't wait for what, if any, significance King William will have on western society during his reign.

If you take all the collective wealth of the royal families, including the oil royals, the church, the greedy, soulless coorporate bigwigs, and the rest of the capitalist elite, and distibute it among the masses, you would find that the world would essentially be saved. (As long as some people don't become more equal than others, i suppose.)
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:11 PM

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:26 PM

Lol.

"Off with his head!"

As if she had the power...
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:28 PM

The problem is getting rid of the Queen of Canada and her delegates the Governor General and Lieutenant Governors requires a unanimous amendment to the Constitution of Canada and can only be modified by a unanimous vote of all the provinces plus the two Houses of Parliament known as the "unanimity formula" per section 41 (a) of the Constitution Act, 1982:


41. An amendment to the Constitution of Canada in relation to the following matters may be made by proclamation issued by the Governor General under the Great Seal of Canada only where authorized by resolutions of the Senate and House of Commons and of the legislative assemblies of each province:


(a) the office of the Queen, the Governor General and the Lieutenant Governor of a province;


That possibility seems to be on the order of chance of slim and none... and slim has left the building. So it is pure fantasy without any real world foundation.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:32 PM

Yes, because there have never been any similar revolutions in the real world.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:35 PM

Yes, because there have never been any similar revolutions in the real world.

Seems unlikely in Canada - again slim and none with slim departing long ago.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:59 PM

There are a lot of Canadians who, like me, have a lot of loyalty and affection for Queen Elizabeth herself. Maybe the old girl is keeping the foothold in Canada single-handed and the topic might be more contested once she is gone.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:04 PM

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:07 PM

Far better off, besides being pointless, I feel bad for new citizens who have to swear an oath to symbolism.

Edited by zaibatsu, 18 November 2012 - 04:08 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:07 PM

We are amused:


Edited by Wetcoaster, 18 November 2012 - 04:11 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:38 PM

100% no thanks. I feel like our culture and traditions are just fine.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:44 PM

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:56 PM

If you take all the collective wealth of the royal families, including the oil royals, the church, the greedy, soulless coorporate bigwigs, and the rest of the capitalist elite, and distibute it among the masses, you would find that the world would essentially be saved. (As long as some people don't become more equal than others, i suppose.)


These are symptoms of the human condition. If we could wave a magic wand and get rid of the Royal Family, contemporary religion, etc. we would eventually find other ways in which to marginalize different sets of people and create new problems that threaten our species as well as the world itself.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:45 PM

(As long as some people don't become more equal than others, i suppose.)


This always happens with communism.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:52 PM

I'd love to know how much of my taxes goes toward the royal family. I think this is one tradition we need to get rid of. There is simply no reason for it!
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:16 PM

but but ... but
what we we call the Victoria hockey team?
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:55 PM

I'd love to know how much of my taxes goes toward the royal family. I think this is one tradition we need to get rid of. There is simply no reason for it!


Are you in Britain? If yes then that may be a reasonable question. The only thing Canadians pay is for security and whatever ceremony is performed whenever there is a royal visit. No more Id guess than on any foreign dignitary.

To the OP: I like your vision of a communist future comrade. That model of government has always performed so well. Stellar track record. The masses always are better off for it.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:56 PM

Or not.

Not sure about the others on my 'be rid of' list, but it's funny that nobody so far has stated any impotant function the royals serve to make it a bad idea to be rid of them.

Can someone enlighten me as to what purpose the royals serve other than to 'be royal' and to be tabloid fodder?

What? They are a tradition? So was slavery and nailing people to a cross.

We don't need the monarchy to 'be Canadian,' that's for sure. The old empire has faded away. There are barely any ties to the UK anymore as we mature as a nation. And the remembered importance of their monarchy is grandfathering away as we treat the royals like Kim Kardashian. 'What has she done to become famous?' 'I dunno. She just... Is...'


Perplexed that we incorporate many socialist ideals in this country but still hold onto the monarchy, even if they're useless. Do we need the tabloid garbage for our amusement? Or are these people a source of legitimate pride?

These are symptoms of the human condition. If we could wave a magic wand and get rid of the Royal Family, contemporary religion, etc. we would eventually find other ways in which to marginalize different sets of people and create new problems that threaten our species as well as the world itself.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:16 PM

As long as we're not paying for their wealthy lives, I'm indifferent towards the monarchy.

I could care less about the traditions behind the royal family, but at the same time, getting rid of this tradition will take up way too much time in Parliament. Our constitution will make this entire process a living nightmare.

Edited by KoreanHockeyFan, 18 November 2012 - 09:19 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:21 PM

I'd love to know how much of my taxes goes toward the royal family. I think this is one tradition we need to get rid of. There is simply no reason for it!

Easy to check - federally check the budget for the office of Governor General and provincially for the offices of the Lieutenant Governor.

Here is the Financial Statements of the Office of the Secretary to the Governor General for the Year Ended March 31, 2012
http://www.gg.ca/pdf...ceEN2011_12.pdf

It is not a big secret.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:27 PM

I think keeping the governor and lieutenant generals would be a good idea though. It's another way to keep the government in check.

Edited by KoreanHockeyFan, 18 November 2012 - 09:27 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:45 PM

Not sure about the others on my 'be rid of' list, but it's funny that nobody so far has stated any impotant function the royals serve to make it a bad idea to be rid of them.



Does every single thing have to have an "important function" to be allowed to exist in your version of a perfect world?

If you ask why they should stay maybe you should ask why shouldnt they? Do they harm you or anyone in any way? Are they evil? Are they somehow damaging our country in some way?

Do we pay to support them? No. This is Canada. That is Britains job and whether they should or not is up to them to decide. Not us.

Their post as far as Canada goes is ceremonial. Canada is a commonwealth country and the royals play a part in the heritage of our country whether you like it or not.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:46 PM

100% no thanks. I feel like our culture and traditions are just fine.

How so? The British Empire has one of the dirtiest histories ever.

The royal family is a drain on their own country. They have cost Canada millions of needless dollars to host them over the years.

The sheer fact that you put these people above you, makes you simple minded and pathetic.

The fact that we are apart of a Royal Family, that does VERY little good, is sad.

If they sold half their art in their collection, it would cure all the famine in Africa

They spend more money traveling to do charity, then donate to charity it self. There is nothing prestigious about that family, or the royal monarchy.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:51 PM

The Royals have no real influence in Canada. I imagine it would cost a lot to remove them from Canadian law and government for no real benefit, so I would suggest leaving them be.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:00 PM

How so? The British Empire has one of the dirtiest histories ever.

The royal family is a drain on their own country. They have cost Canada millions of needless dollars to host them over the years.

The sheer fact that you put these people above you, makes you simple minded and pathetic.

The fact that we are apart of a Royal Family, that does VERY little good, is sad.

If they sold half their art in their collection, it would cure all the famine in Africa

They spend more money traveling to do charity, then donate to charity it self. There is nothing prestigious about that family, or the royal monarchy.


Dirtiest history? I don't see how their Empire was in any way worse than other of their contemporaries. If anything, they're just "victims" of their time, nothing more.

As for drain, you're making it sound like they're throwing Rolex watches into the ocean and setting Ferrari's on fire for fun. They cost a mere fraction of a small fraction, hardly what you consider as a drain considering there are way bigger fishes out there.

The Royals are equal with their citizens under the law. If they went and murdered someone, they go to jail too. You complaining about their "status" is keen as someone complaining that cops have more authoritative powers that yourself. You hate them so much, the USA is founded as anti-British.... you can always move there.

The Royal family is rich, but solving the famine in Africa, you serious? They themselves probably donate and done more to the cause than the people who probably whine and complain about them.
If you're gonna mention how their charity might not be efficient, I doubt any random celebrity does any better. You might want to get rid of them too.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:07 PM

Certainly Hello Magazine would take a hit, but wouldn't the collective wealth of Brit royals, be put to better use elsewhere? Like helping that country out in times of economic uncertainty? Or perhaps by giving the money to various charities so the starving and uneducated no longer have to be?

Or should they be kept around so they can rule over their glorious empire through the tabloids? I for one can't wait for what, if any, significance King William will have on western society during his reign.

If you take all the collective wealth of the royal families, including the oil royals, the church, the greedy, soulless coorporate bigwigs, and the rest of the capitalist elite, and distibute it among the masses, you would find that the world would essentially be saved. (As long as some people don't become more equal than others, i suppose.)

Yes, because there have never been any similar revolutions in the real world.

How so? The British Empire has one of the dirtiest histories ever.

The royal family is a drain on their own country. They have cost Canada millions of needless dollars to host them over the years.

The sheer fact that you put these people above you, makes you simple minded and pathetic.

The fact that we are apart of a Royal Family, that does VERY little good, is sad.

If they sold half their art in their collection, it would cure all the famine in Africa

They spend more money traveling to do charity, then donate to charity it self. There is nothing prestigious about that family, or the royal monarchy.


Do either of you know how much pull they have on the world still, how much money they have raised for charities.

Move to America already.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:43 PM

Easy to check - federally check the budget for the office of Governor General and provincially for the offices of the Lieutenant Governor.

Here is the Financial Statements of the Office of the Secretary to the Governor General for the Year Ended March 31, 2012
http://www.gg.ca/pdf...ceEN2011_12.pdf

It is not a big secret.

It's also incorrect to say that the salaries of the Governor General and Lieutenant Governors are paid out due to Canada's ties with the British Royal Family.

Much of the actual duties of both the Governor General and Lieutenant Governor involve hosting and treating with visiting dignitaries. Without them you would have a seperate post created which had similar duties, roughly equivalent pay rate and departmental expenses just under a different name.

I'm pretty much apethetic when it comes to the Royal Family, but think that the calls I have heard to cut ties with them to save money are a bit silly. Australia came close to cutting ties with the Royals a number of years back, then decided against it once the government realised how much it would cost just to revamp all of their letterheads.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:48 PM

How so? The British Empire has one of the dirtiest histories ever.

The royal family is a drain on their own country. They have cost Canada millions of needless dollars to host them over the years.

The sheer fact that you put these people above you, makes you simple minded and pathetic.

The fact that we are apart of a Royal Family, that does VERY little good, is sad.

If they sold half their art in their collection, it would cure all the famine in Africa

They spend more money traveling to do charity, then donate to charity it self. There is nothing prestigious about that family, or the royal monarchy.


Dirtiest history? I don't see how their Empire was in any way worse than other of their contemporaries. If anything, they're just "victims" of their time, nothing more.

As for drain, you're making it sound like they're throwing Rolex watches into the ocean and setting Ferrari's on fire for fun. They cost a mere fraction of a small fraction, hardly what you consider as a drain considering there are way bigger fishes out there.

The Royals are equal with their citizens under the law. If they went and murdered someone, they go to jail too. You complaining about their "status" is keen as someone complaining that cops have more authoritative powers that yourself. You hate them so much, the USA is founded as anti-British.... you can always move there.

The Royal family is rich, but solving the famine in Africa, you serious? They themselves probably donate and done more to the cause than the people who probably whine and complain about them.
If you're gonna mention how their charity might not be efficient, I doubt any random celebrity does any better. You might want to get rid of them too.


Thank you sir Lancaster. For saying what I wanted to say, but probably much better. You're a gentleman and a scholar.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:00 AM

Far better off, besides being pointless, I feel bad for new citizens who have to swear an oath to symbolism.



Better off? Highly doubtful. I don't see the abolition of the monarchy in Canada changing our lives in any significant manner whatsoever.

...and I don't "feel bad" for new citizens at all. Nor do they, I would hazard to guess.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:16 AM

The royals aren't what are dragging us (or even England) down. Entitlement and fiscal ineptitude are.
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