Smashian Kassian Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 To Vancouver: Derrick Brassard To Columbus: Mason Raymond, Anton Rodin, 5th Basically a swap of struggling players. For Us: Brassard brings decent size, decent speed, and is a good two-way player. He can play either C or W. And since he known as a "pass-first" player he might be the solution on the 2nd line with Kes and Booth or else he can play on the third since he is reliable defensively. For CBJ: Since CBJ got Anisimov and Dubinsky they have enough center's to fill Brassard's spot (And they also have Johansen, Prospal and Umberger who can play C) Raymond brings more speed to there line-up (Which doesn't have a ton of top notch speed), then Rodin is the sweetener who will get much better opportunities in Columbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 To Vancouver: Derrick Brassard To Columbus: Mason Raymond, Anton Rodin, 5th Basically a swap of struggling players. For Us: Brassard brings decent size, decent speed, and is a good two-way player. He can play either C or W. And since he known as a "pass-first" player he might be the solution on the 2nd line with Kes and Booth or else he can play on the third since he is reliable defensively. For CBJ: Since CBJ got Anisimov and Dubinsky they have enough center's to fill Brassard's spot (And they also have Johansen, Prospal and Umberger who can play C) Raymond brings more speed to there line-up (Which doesn't have a ton of top notch speed), then Rodin is the sweetener who will get much better opportunities in Columbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 25, 2012 Author Share Posted December 25, 2012 LOL!!! Dont think CBJ is takin our scraps there dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 yeah whoever thinks that Brassard is this young up and coming power forward, is misled. He has struggled indeed and columbus has a glutton of centers for sure. I would do this if we cannot pry Johansen out of CBJ (which would be a challenge). This guy's cap hit is a bit high for what he is (3.2mill) but I think if we actually want to get bigger, he would be a good guy to have. I feel like his main draw back is motivation-what is it with these big forwards that lack motivation to be physical and drive to the net?? not to mention motivation to remain consisted-kassian, booth, brassard, a line of big an at times unmitovated players -lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoolander Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 I like it. If Brassard can prove himself as a consistent playmaker who can also find the back of the net, then we have found our solution to the 2nd line. If he becomes inconsistent, like he has been in Columbus, he will still centainly be an upgrade on pahlsson. He is bigger, stronger and has more offensive upside than Pahlsson, plus has grit to go along with it. Besides if you play him Booth and Kes, and he struggles, just put him on a line with Chris 'Duct tape' Higgins and he'll do fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeeterHansen Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Finally a real proposal. If I'm Columbus, I do this not only for their sake, but because both Brassard and Raymond need a fresh start. Anton Rodin is a guy who could still make an impact in the NHL down the road, but under CBJ's development...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayStation Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Sure I would of done this in the past CBA, but moving forward if the cap goes down it may be a bit more difficult for us to take on more salary. Brassards numbers arent that bad, I guess just not up to expectations that people had of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 To Vancouver: Derrick Brassard To Columbus: Mason Raymond, Anton Rodin, 5th Basically a swap of struggling players. For Us: Brassard brings decent size, decent speed, and is a good two-way player. He can play either C or W. And since he known as a "pass-first" player he might be the solution on the 2nd line with Kes and Booth or else he can play on the third since he is reliable defensively. For CBJ: Since CBJ got Anisimov and Dubinsky they have enough center's to fill Brassard's spot (And they also have Johansen, Prospal and Umberger who can play C) Raymond brings more speed to there line-up (Which doesn't have a ton of top notch speed), then Rodin is the sweetener who will get much better opportunities in Columbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 25, 2012 Author Share Posted December 25, 2012 1.) Brassard does have a lot of scoring potential, and he does have size, skating ability and flexibility in where he can play, which can be helpful as a 3rd line checker/grinder. Playing with Hansen and Higgens could result in him getting more than 14g 27a from last season. Also, depending on the result of the assumed Luongo trade, Brassard could even find himself on the wing with Kesler and Booth. 2.) I am concerned about his +/- (okay, what can we expect with him being with the CBJ?), and also his results in the faceoff circle. Being at 45% could be as a result of his inexperience. Should it not improve, then this could cause a lot of problems as AV has liked to use his 3rd line in the defensive zone, and having Malhotra winning 61.7% and 58.5% of his faceoffs these past two seasons has been a real luxury. 3.) I would agree with eretz that Johansen looks to be the more desireable player, and I too would try to get him first and use Brassard as a fallback position. As Playstation has pointed out, Brassard does carry an extra million (approximately) over what Raymond is paid. With this in mind, Johansen is actually paid less than Raymond, which is another reason to consider him over Brassard. 4.) I could see the CBJ raising an issue with Raymond. He has had two significant injuries (finger, back) which have had an impact on his play. Raymond is also a UFA at the end of the season while Brassard still has one more full season before he hits RFA status (Rodin will also become an RFA at the end of this season). I could see the CBJ wanting something a bit more than Rodin and a 5th to back the deal up should Raymond walk (maybe something as low as a conditional pick in 2014?). Otherwise, an interesting proposal. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 I like this deal. The Canucks get bigger and Raymond probably gets 1st line minutes in Columbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 To Vancouver: Derrick Brassard To Columbus: Mason Raymond, Anton Rodin, 5th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 26, 2012 Author Share Posted December 26, 2012 Brassard has far more potential than anyone else above, so I'd say that it'd be very doubtful that they'd do this. For them to even consider moving him, we'd probably need to include either Jensen or Schroeder instead of Rodin & the 5th, which is practically nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Brassard is 25 and hasn't put up 20 goals or 50 points yet in his career. He doesn't have much potential, about the exact same as Raymond. He's never gunna be the 1st liner they hoped for, maybe a true 2nd liner but not on that team, that's the whole point of this deal, two struggling players, similar ages and at similar areas in there career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 26, 2012 Author Share Posted December 26, 2012 Brassard is 2 years younger, and a former 6th overall pick. To say that he has the same amount of potential as Mason Raymond, who's had 2 consecutive years of decline on the NHL's best team, is insane. You've gotta ask yourself what other teams might give up to get a guy like Brassard. If you think that out of the entire NHL, the best offer that CBJ could get is a Vancouver forward who's hanging onto his job by a thread and a 2nd round pick who's not showing any evidence at all of being able to have an NHL future, I think you're mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 To say that Brassard who has had done nothing thus-far in his NHL career besides being an overpaid dissapoint has far more potential than Raymond, is simply wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 26, 2012 Author Share Posted December 26, 2012 If that's the case, then why do you want to trade for him? This is typical of the proposal around this site - bash whoever you're trying to acquire, inflate the guy you're trying to trade If you think that either Tyler Bozak or Mason Raymond would command more attention on the open market than Derick Brassard, you, sir, are the one that is in clear denial of reality. Brassard is younger and far more gifted than either of the two. He's been on a woefully hopeless team. There would be a lot of interest in Derick Brassard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Brassard is 2 years younger, and a former 6th overall pick. To say that he has the same amount of potential as Mason Raymond, who's had 2 consecutive years of decline on the NHL's best team, is insane. You've gotta ask yourself what other teams might give up to get a guy like Brassard. If you think that out of the entire NHL, the best offer that CBJ could get is a Vancouver forward who's hanging onto his job by a thread and a 2nd round pick who's not showing any evidence at all of being able to have an NHL future, I think you're mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 If Brassard is so good why did Phoenix trade for Vermette last year instead of him? And if some teams had to choose between Brassard at 3.2 or Bozak at 1.5 If sure there would be more than a few that would take Bozak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Phoenix probably traded for Vermette because he's a far more appropriate deadline acquisition than Derick Brassard is. He's a highly gifted, highly skilled offensive player, which is why he was taken 6th overall. His '08-'09 season was incredibly productive - look at his points compared to his minutes given per-game. He's established himself as a 2/3 C on a historically pathetic team, and he's only 25 years old. My point is that there would be a lot of interest in a "reclamation" (not really) project like Brassard. A young C, with excellent offensive skills, decent size, etc. I actually like Mason Raymond, but he's simply not worth what Brassard is, with "worth" being loosely defined as team's that would likely have interest. Anton Rodin is worthless, as is the 5th. Therefore, I don't imagine that CBJ would be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Columbus doesn't do this. Brassard has much more upside, produces more and plays a higher in demand position. Raymond sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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