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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:33 PM

Certainly not a MILF to me, but glad she has a sense of humour..

Of course, thread gets derailed by the usual non-mod suspects playing forum nanny.

Edited by zaibatsu, 31 December 2012 - 09:39 PM.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:16 PM

The funny thing about the term MILF is that these days it can refer to females as young as teens which is unfortunate because childbirth can destroy the vag if ya know what I mean. Anyway this broad looks more like a GILF and I definitely would not want.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:47 PM

The funny thing about the term MILF is that these days it can refer to females as young as teens which is unfortunate because childbirth can destroy the vag if ya know what I mean. Anyway this broad looks more like a GILF and I definitely would not want.


I don't think "if ya know what i mean" was really needed. You were very clear. :lol:
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:00 PM

Oh. My. God. This is what is passing for news today? God forbid she should give a tongue in cheek response and show her funny side. Exactly what do you want from these people? If they're serious all the time, they're inhuman, and if they make a funny quip it lands in the media and on a hockey board for people to pick her apart. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Seriously, some folks really need to lighten up and move on to things far more deserving of ire and attention.

And I agree, better seen as a MILF than seen as a cougar.

Thats twice we agree with each other o beautious one. Was that the earth shaking? Nay, it was my heart pounding at the thought that thine opinion matches mine. May your dunes be low, your water high, and your camels full in the New year!:)
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:25 PM

Stay classy.


I was just thinking the same thing...except I was thinking about Christie Clark.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 01:45 AM

I'd clap them cheeks, no doubt.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:50 AM

Omg..lol. Is this woman really serious about leading this province?

She's phony and a liar. And most improtantly, she is just plain dumb. Dont believe me? What other person in politics, man or woman, would engage in a question like this ? And give an answer like this?
She can not think on her feet or make quick, reasonable decisions. What on earth would she do if a serious event such as a major earth quake would to hit us?

And I love her handlers doing all the back pedalling afterwards :bigblush:


http://ca.news.yahoo...-172356603.html

B.C. Premier Christy Clark: “Better a MILF than a cougar”



By Andy Radia
Politics Reporter




Is B.C. Premier Christy Clark a MILF or a cougar?
It's clearly an inappropriate, even vulgar question. A MILF, of course is an acronym for 'Mother I'd like to (fool around with) and a cougar is an older woman who goes after younger men.

But, last week, during an interview on a Vancouver Island radio station, Premier Clark received such a question.

What's worse, is that she answered it.
As chronicled by the Vancouver Province, 98.9 JetFM host Drex asked Clark what it was like to be a MILF (apparently 'Drex' was asking on behalf of a listener).
Here's the premier's response:


"You know, I take that as a compliment … you know, it’s one of those things. Better a MILF than a cougar … so tell him I said thank-you."

The Province newspaper goes on to quote Clark's press secretary who said the premier was "shocked" by the question and "responded accordingly and simply wanted to move on."

But others aren't as forgiving — Clark's response elicited a traditional and social media debate that went into the wee hours of Friday morning.

"That two-sentence exchange has, it seems, given the Clark-haters enough fuel to carry them well into the new year," the Victoria Times-Colonist editor David Obee wrote in his newspaper.
Clark: An inappropriate answer to an inappropriate question?"Personally, I think she did the best she could with an unexpected, inappropriate, insulting, stupid question. She answered it quickly and moved on. That’s not good enough for the critics, who have had time — something Clark did not have — to think of all sorts of things that Clark could have said or done."

Veteran Global TV reporter Keith Baldry agreed that the question was a disgrace but Tweeted that Clark "should have shut [the host] down" instead of "trying to a score a point."
And then there's blogger Laila Yuile who wrote an excellent piece suggesting that Christy Clark brought on the question herself.

Yuile references a July 2010 interview with the Vancouver Sun — when Clark was a radio talk show host — where she talks about her favourite television show, Manswers, and recounts an episode where they were asking how large breasts would actually have to be to crush a beer can.
"And people are attacking the [98.9 JetFM] radio host for an insulting ,vulgar and inappropriate question?" Yuile writes.

"On a radio station much like The Fox, or Rock 101, both of which [Clark] has shown her sense of humour on in the past, documented in sound bytes and photos for the world to see?
"Give me a break."

Certainly the MILF question should not have been asked.
But Clark should not have had answered it; she should have said 'I'm not answering that, let's move on.'

And to Yuile's point: would anyone even think of asking Alberta premier Alison Redford that question?
Would any radio station dare ask that question to one of Canada's senior federal cabinet ministers such as Rona Ambrose or Leona Aglukkaq?
Probably not.
And if they did, they wouldn't be getting a response.



So, where's the problem here?
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HAHAHA ANOTHER INJURED MORON ON OUR TEAM

HE WILL JOIN US IN 2019

Benning will be fired next year. Hope he enjoys screwing around for a few months. I just cant believe this. Another injured BC player. We just got rid of garrison. Seems like the canucks and linden just wanted any BC born player. Doesn't matter if hes good or not. We don't need another Linden to get us to game 7 of the Stanley cup and lose. We need someone to win us a cup.

5 million a year for Vrbata? 6 million for Miller? Kesler for Bonino and 24th instead of 10th pick or one of their top prospects? Garrison for scraps?

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:58 AM

I'd rather see some people attack her political policies rather than ask if she is a MILF or a cougar.

My buddy has a little thing for her, so, he'd probably jump on her. Me... Not so much.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:13 AM

Old news...

http://forum.canucks...0#entry10827130
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

Millions of problems in our province that need addressing and this is what we get.

Truly, BC politics is the laughing stock of the nation. Might as well be a third world country. Oh wait, that's what Harper/Clark and others are trying to make us!
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

That is disgusting...
She sure ain't no MILF.

Either way, who cares, it's a joke, stop being such a stick in the mud and take life a little less seriously sometimes.

Edited by Jägermeister, 01 January 2013 - 02:39 PM.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

Not a Christy Clark fan, but who cares. If you're gonna attack please do it based on the job she's doing, not a harmless joke.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

Millions of problems in our province that need addressing and this is what we get.

Truly, BC politics is the laughing stock of the nation. Might as well be a third world country. Oh wait, that's what Harper/Clark and others are trying to make us!


Ontario and Dalton McGuinty say hi.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:14 PM

The *whiny* poster gets the oil I guess.

And the poster who makes comments like yours gets the banhammer.

BTW: The most surprising thing about this whole story is that the OP considers this an "OMG" comment. Biggest case of much ado about nothing that I've seen in a long time.

This is obviously a case of Liberal haters groping desperately for something to paint the premier in a negative light. Meanwhile the guy they want to replace her was guilty of forging a memo to cover up Glen Clark's conflict of interest, resulting in his firing.

I'll take the MILF over the liar every time...
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

And the poster who makes comments like yours gets the banhammer.

BTW: The most surprising thing about this whole story is that the OP considers this an "OMG" comment. Biggest case of much ado about nothing that I've seen in a long time.

This is obviously a case of Liberal haters groping desperately for something to paint the premier in a negative light. Meanwhile the guy they want to replace her was guilty of forging a memo to cover up Glen Clark's conflict of interest, resulting in his firing.

I'll take the MILF over the liar every time...

That was just one of the Dix delicts - there were others. BTW Dix says he has learned his lesson so does that mean next time he will be more careful and cover his tracks better?

Dix has played fast and loose with the law in other circumstances. Dix was forced to resign because of his wrongdoing and criminal actions - he was at the centre of Casinogate with the fraudulent memo, the BC Hydro Raiwind power project tax dodge, breaking the law regarding the recall legislation that the NDP itself had passed, attempting to improperly influence the Chair of the Agricultural Land Commission to remove the Six Mile Ranch from the Agricultural Land Reserve, etc.

Dix was embroiled in Casinogate because he faked a memo that indicated Clark had instructed him not to let him be part of casino selection process. Dix, who was never one to write many things on the record that could be produced under freedom of information laws, miraculously had this get-out-of-jail-free memo in his files. It would later turn out that Dix had back-dated the memo by several months with an official "Executive Office of the Premier" stamp, having written it from notes he supposedly had from a meeting months before but which he later destroyed. The RCMP seized his computer and determined that the memo had not been created on the date claimed by Dix. How he avoided fraud charges is baffling.

Dix's position - It was a mistake. Ya think? Or is it only a mistake because you got caught?

Vaughn Palmer writes Adrian Dix's ethical lapses are not limited to fraudulent memos.

  • Dix slithered around the laws regarding recall campaigns - and that law was passed by the BC NDP.
  • Pulling the Six Mile Ranch out of the ALR - Dix was dispatched on behalf of Glen Clark to try to pressure the Chair of the ALR which is supposedly an independent tribunal - again established by the NDP. The Chair of the ALR called for a public inquiry - that was ignored by the NDP government.
  • The BC Hydro/ Raiwind Power Project tax dodge - Dix attended the meetings on behalf of Glen Clark when the scheme was hatched but we are supposed to believe that nothing was known of this by the Premier? BC Hydro John Laxton fell on his sword as result.
As Palmer points out if you are going to point a finger at the BC Liberals you best be coming to the party with clean hands and Dix does not have them.


When the New Democrats faced a trio of recall campaigns against their MLAs in the late 1990s, then premier Glen Clark called, as he usually did, on the skills and drive of his chief political operative Adrian Dix.

Dix put together what proved to be a successful effort to quash the recallers, lining up support and resources from NDP headquarters and the trade union movement.

He did most of this by phone, though twice he visited the key battleground of Prince George at his own expense. He also persuaded government staffers to go into the field on their own time, while facilitating an arrangement that saw the labour movement quietly cover several thousand dollars' worth of travel expenses.

All this had to be done on the sly. The NDP-authored recall legislation imposed strict spending limits. And the NDP line was that local MLAs were unfairly targeted by dark forces -- "outsiders, special interests, lobby groups" -- from beyond their ridings.

Accordingly, Clark denied the role of his own office in stage-managing the fight. "Mr. Dix has a job in Victoria," he told the legislature. "He was not involved in the recall campaigns in those ridings."

Only after an NDP field operative blew the whistle to the news media did the truth come out. "I had quite a bit of involvement," Dix conceded.


Not only then and there. A review of the files finds Dix playing a central role in many of the controversies in the Clark era.

Six Mile Ranch was a proposal to build a resort on agricultural land in the NDP-held riding of Kamloops. The New Democrats were pressuring the independent agricultural land commission to release the site from the land reserve and at one point Clark dispatched Dix to personally sound out commission chair Kirk Miller.

Miller came away from the session with Dix under no illusions: "I was aware that the premier's office was looking at whether or not something like this should be declared in the provincial interest."

The "provincial interest" being a legal declaration that allowed the cabinet to overrule the commission and remove the land from the reserve. As indeed happened. Whereupon Miller demanded a public inquiry. But the New Democrats, being no fans of public inquiries in those days, balked.


The Raiwind power project was an ill-fated partnership-cum-offshore tax dodge involving BC Hydro and a dubious operator in Pakistan. When news of it broke on the eve of the 1996 election, Clark fired the NDP-appointed Hydro chair John Laxton and later president John Sheehan as well.

Both would later testify that Dix, acting as Clark's eyes and ears, had attended most of the Hydro board meetings where the partnership was discussed and approved.


Dix initiated the negotiations with Gordon Wilson, the apostate B.C. Liberal leader, which led to him joining the New Democrats in exchange for a cabinet post. He was the government sweet-talker to the business community, when Clark shifted the labour code in favour of the unions. And when Clark pulled the rug out from under the campaign for no-fault auto insurance, the premier's liaison was, you guessed it, Adrian Dix.

"There are public servants, of course, who give input, and then Adrian runs their input through a strategic NDP filter," Clark would say. "I don't rely on one source for input or advice, but he's the one I rely on most."

More than that, Dix was his friend. The two shared a condominium near the legislature and at the end of a typical, workaholic day, they would unwind by talking politics and, when that topic was exhausted, sports.

In the darkest hour of his political life, Clark fell back on Dix. The police had raided his home. He stood accused of favouring a friend's application for a casino licence. And there was Clark, brandishing a memo over Dix's signature, saying the premier had ordered him to ensure he was insulated from the licensing decision.

The notorious memo to file. Only later did it come out that the document was in several respects bogus. Typed up months after the order was supposedly given. False dated by Dix himself, who wound back the premier's official date stamp with all the craft of a used-car dealer tackling an odometer.

"A mistake," Dix says today, and professes to have learned from it.


Doubtless, he'll never get caught doing anything as sneaky as that again.


http://www.canada.co...230f2521&k=8094


IMHO Adrian Dix has not changed his spots but he is much better at camouflage these days.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:24 AM

Too funny - its the BC Liberal supporters throwing mud as usual and when people won't take the bait they go viral with their fear mongering.

The BC Liberals will be remembered for what could have been. Back when Gordo was elected he could have taken that pendulam and nailed it somewhere closer to center. Instead he bent it as far right as he could. It now only has one way to go - back to the left. It was that important to sell out to businuess that they knowingly set the path to an NDP goverment. It was never about fixing the province - ti was always about a full on sell out to businuess. Where are all those jobs? Where are all those raises that where to come from the HST? Why are we leading the country in household debt?

In my sons university class the majority are leaving the province as soon as they finish their degrees - why? Not becuase the NDP might be elected, rather because the wages have fallen and are stagnant, costs are the highest in Canada - simply put the damange of a decade of right wing doctrine has bankrupted this province. Without raising taxes we as a province are simply not bringing in enough taxes to pay for all that we require or need.

You would think that after a decade in power the air waves would be full of the BC Liberals telling us how good they are. Instead its non stop attacks on the NDP. I could care less if Cristy Clark jokes around - I see no difference in this and an incident 12 years ago where 2 NDP mla's shared a joke over a bouncing plastic toy placed on a desk ( google what it was )... It was just a joke.

What I do care about is that Cristy is doing nothing balance our provincial priorities that in any manner has or will benifit workers. Creating low wage jobs does not help the province. People making low wages pay little to no taxes - purchase few items that have HST and are subsidized for MSP. I care that family supporting jobs have been desimated under this right wing goverment. I care that this party has nothing to stand on so is in a perpetual state of fearmongering and mud slinging. I care that the gap between the top and the bottom under this goverment is the largest in our history. I care that families are carrying frightningly high levels of credit debt - more then they every carried under an NDP goverment and a few % interest increase could bring on our own financial disaster. I care that BC Liberal supporters seem more bent on idiologically driven support of that party and are doing nothing to demand that their party actually do something to bring balance in the province.

My opinion of Christy Clark was not changed one bit by her comments - Nor has my opinion of her party. I am still waiting for them to actually sell them selves to us rather than always attacking others. Where are all those jobs? Don't fear monger me not to vote for someone - Tell my why I should vote for her - and let her tell us what her plan is to re balance BC so that workers will have some rights in this province. After a decade in power if a polically party can't sell themselves on the good they do - its probably a good time for them to move on or atleast recognize the fact that they are on the wrong course and make some changes.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:46 AM

I'll take my Liberal Hate Hat off for a second here to show some neutrality.

OMG. The haters on here for such a harmless exchange of humor between Christy and the caller.

Oh ya, we're in Vancouver where most of these women hating males perfer to talk about themselves pushing in the stool of another man.


She's actually doing a decent job considering the economic state of the world. And as a Conservative, I hate that.


Putting my Liberal Hate Hat back on.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:12 AM

I don't like Christy Clark but when the alternatives are a fraudster and someone who thinks being gay is a lifestyle choice I will be voting Liberal.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:53 AM

Where are all those raises that where to come from the HST?



You are aware that the HST was repealed, right?

Thanks to a campaign of misinformation on the part of Bill Vander Zalm and the BC NDP party, the province voted to quash the HST at a massive cost to the taxpayers of BC, even though virtually every economist said that it was a long-term benefit for the province.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:48 AM

You are aware that the HST was repealed, right?

Thanks to a campaign of misinformation on the part of Bill Vander Zalm and the BC NDP party, the province voted to quash the HST at a massive cost to the taxpayers of BC, even though virtually every economist said that it was a long-term benefit for the province.

And when was the last time we saw economists agreeing on anything????

A perfect example of what my mentor and guru the late (as in deceased) George Carlin observed.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:31 PM

And when was the last time we saw economists agreeing on anything????

A perfect example of what my mentor and guru the late (as in deceased) George Carlin observed.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

Thats a great quote.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

I would like to say I am suprised at the gulliability of some folks - but with the tea party thriving it goes to show that the trickle down economic folks are still believing in that things like trickle down work.

The financial people that supported the HST did so on the basis that the money saved from tax transfer to consumers would be re invested in jobs and wages and not simply tucked away as profit. Remember last summer with Harper calling out businuess in the news for hoarding away all the money from tax savings? Vanderzalm for sure was in it for personally reasons but he accidentially got it right - the HST would be a flop for BC. It simple math really - - The pro HST works when businuess gets the savings and had they reinvested it in more jobs and higher wages. More jobs and higher wages mean more products purchased which means even more jobs etc. This is the premise of the trickle down theory that no educated person could or still supports as workable. Had businuess returned the tax savings as described above, the HST would still be with us and our economy would be thriving. Businuess though will never pay a penny more than they have to - that's what free enterprise is about and perfectably understandable. The HST should have come with legislation to ensure that the money saved was reinvested as intended.

What we saw was businuess tuck away as much of that money as possible. With the price of goods going up with the HST and flat lined wages - people bought less. This results in lay offs and higher credit card debt as people start turning to credit to survive. This was the exact opposite of what the HST was suppose to do. Instead of blaming others the right wing should take a look in the mirror first. The blame for the HST rests 100% with them. Given a chance to demonstrate it by actually reinvesting the money they didn't. Instead of accepting the fact that without enforcment trickle down economics are not considered workable - they keep pounding those drums. Why didn't they reinvest that money right away - knowing that seeing is beleaving and telling us it will happen - just wait for it --- would not fly.

The HST was based on a presumtion that failed to deliver. I wonder how many of those economists if asked the same question but with the information that the HST savings where never going to be passed on - how many would still support it?

The HST could have been great for BC - But it was implimented with the prusumtion of reinvestment that didn't happen when it needed to. A bucket of pucks could have lead the NO side and still won - don't give Vanderzalm more credit then he deserves. The Pro HST side cost themselves the vote.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

I would like to say I am suprised at the gulliability of some folks - but with the tea party thriving it goes to show that the trickle down economic folks are still believing in that things like trickle down work.

The financial people that supported the HST did so on the basis that the money saved from tax transfer to consumers would be re invested in jobs and wages and not simply tucked away as profit. Remember last summer with Harper calling out businuess in the news for hoarding away all the money from tax savings? Vanderzalm for sure was in it for personally reasons but he accidentially got it right - the HST would be a flop for BC. It simple math really - - The pro HST works when businuess gets the savings and had they reinvested it in more jobs and higher wages. More jobs and higher wages mean more products purchased which means even more jobs etc. This is the premise of the trickle down theory that no educated person could or still supports as workable. Had businuess returned the tax savings as described above, the HST would still be with us and our economy would be thriving. Businuess though will never pay a penny more than they have to - that's what free enterprise is about and perfectably understandable. The HST should have come with legislation to ensure that the money saved was reinvested as intended.

What we saw was businuess tuck away as much of that money as possible. With the price of goods going up with the HST and flat lined wages - people bought less. This results in lay offs and higher credit card debt as people start turning to credit to survive. This was the exact opposite of what the HST was suppose to do. Instead of blaming others the right wing should take a look in the mirror first. The blame for the HST rests 100% with them. Given a chance to demonstrate it by actually reinvesting the money they didn't. Instead of accepting the fact that without enforcment trickle down economics are not considered workable - they keep pounding those drums. Why didn't they reinvest that money right away - knowing that seeing is beleaving and telling us it will happen - just wait for it --- would not fly.

The HST was based on a presumtion that failed to deliver. I wonder how many of those economists if asked the same question but with the information that the HST savings where never going to be passed on - how many would still support it?

The HST could have been great for BC - But it was implimented with the prusumtion of reinvestment that didn't happen when it needed to. A bucket of pucks could have lead the NO side and still won - don't give Vanderzalm more credit then he deserves. The Pro HST side cost themselves the vote.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

The HST could have been great for BC - But it was implimented with the prusumtion of reinvestment that didn't  happen when it needed to. A bucket of pucks could have lead the NO side and still won - don't give Vanderzalm more credit then he deserves. The Pro HST side cost themselves the vote.


Absolute garbage.

During the HST debate, you couldn't turn on the radio without hearing an ad from the local NDP MLA, urging their constituents to vote against the HST. It was constantly referred to as a "tax grab" by the Liberals.

Meanwhile, here on CDC, we had several posters who said they would vote "no" because they don't like Gordon Campbell and didn't care if it was good for the province or not.

Then there were the mental midgets who didn't believe myself and 'Coaster when we warned them that the federal money would have to be paid back. In fact, when this was confirmed after the vote, and the cost to BC taxpayers was tagged at 2.3 billion dollars, there were many posters who were shocked, claiming they didn't know the money would have to be repaid.

Ignorance, stupidity and partisanship killed the HST.

Edited by RUPERTKBD, 02 January 2013 - 03:11 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:14 PM

Absolute garbage.

During the HST debate, you couldn't turn on the radio without hearing an ad from the local NDP MLA, urging their constituents to vote against the HST. It was constantly referred to as a "tax grab" by the Liberals.

Meanwhile, here on CDC, we had several posters who said they would vote "no" because they don't like Gordon Campbell and didn't care if it was good for the province or not.

Then there were the mental midgets who didn't believe myself and 'Coater when we warned them that the federal money would have to be paid back. In fact, when this was confirmed after the vote, and the cost to BC taxpayers was tagged at 2.3 billion dollars, there were many posters who were shocked, claiming they didn't know the money would have to be repaid.

Ignorance, stupidity and partisanship killed the HST.


Only reason the HST didn't stick around is because people got all whiny because they originally said they wouldn't implement the tax. People didn't actually look at how it could be beneficial to the province.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

Only reason the HST didn't stick around is because people got all whiny because they originally said they wouldn't implement the tax. People didn't actually look at how it could be beneficial to the province.

There was an economist in the Yukon who was commenting on the HST referendum and he hit the nail on the head.


Econ 101 in BC: The HST referendum

Wednesday July 6, 2011

YUKONOMIST

By Keith Halliday



In a strange turn of events, British Columbians who have successfully avoided economics classes their entire lives are now being subjected to a typical microeconomics final exam question: Which is better, a traditional sales tax like the old BC PST or a value-added tax like the new Harmonized Sales Tax (HST)?


A mail-in referendum is happening right now. What makes it different from an economics final exam is that voters have more than one professor.


There is an official “No” organization and another for “Yes.” Both are advertising vigorously, even going so far as to put election-style signs along the sides of the Stewart-Cassiar Highway for the benefit of voters in Dease Lake.


There is also an independent panel charged with opining on the choices. And finally, every think tank in Canada seems to have issued a report.


Tax policy is notoriously obscure and complex. In most countries, the choice of sales tax regime is left to the finance ministry and the legislature. This usually results in a tax like the HST, since most economists and tax experts view value-added taxes as much better than archaic sales taxes like the old BC PST. This is why nearly every country in Europe has an HST and not a PST.


It likely would have been the same in BC if the Liberal government in Victoria had not bungled the announcement of the tax, provoking a public backlash. Shortly after former BC premier Gordon Campbell announced the HST plan, one poll showed 82 per cent of British Columbians against it.


Now, new Premier Christy Clark is in damage control mode. To save the HST in the coming vote, she has announced a cut in the HST rate (which includes the five per cent federal GST) to 10 per cent from 12 per cent. She also raised corporate taxes, which is popular since that tax is invisible in the shops.


Meanwhile, disgraced former premier Bill Vander Zalm prowls the province successfully whipping up populist opposition against the HST. Like Vander Zalm, the BC NDP also prefers the old PST. It’s hard to tell if they really think the old PST was so great or if they just see a fine opportunity to attack their political opponents.


But let’s ignore the petty squabbles of politics and dive into the gripping world of tax economics.


The HST’s biggest advantage is that it is, in economist-talk, “non-distortionary.” Except for a few special things like alcohol and tobacco, it is generally harmful to productivity for government taxes to encourage some kinds of economic activity and discourage others. The old PST exempted haircuts, realtor commissions, massage therapy, management consulting and most other services, meaning that furniture makers, sporting goods stores and forestry companies had to carry the province’s tax burden. No one would design a new tax this way.


The PST also hurt exporters, since they had to pay PST on their supplies. This meant their costs were higher when they competed with Alberta or Washington companies. In effect, buyers in other jurisdictions were paying tax to the BC government. Taxing your own exports is not a strategy most countries pursue. The HST, in contrast, gives exporters a credit for the HST they pay on exported goods.


Another HST advantage is that it taxes consumption rather than investment and savings. This is why economists often prefer HST over corporate income taxes and especially taxes on capital. It seems silly to tax the profits of small business investors, and to let the rich in West Vancouver pay no taxes on the architect services for their million-dollar renovation.


A broad HST also attacks income tax evasion, a major issue in a province with such a big drug business. The HST gives grow-op millionaires a chance to contribute to public services in the province. Now they will pay tax on their mega-home purchases and airline tickets, and not just their heat lamps and hydroponic gear.


HST also saves the waste of having two different sales tax bureaucracies.


Finally, the HST is also more socially progressive than the old PST. This is because low-income citizens will get a rebate of up to $320 per year. Not a huge amount, but still better than the PST which had no low-income rebate.


It is of course preferable to have no sales tax at all. But that’s only possible if you have lots of oil money (Alberta and Alaska) or transfer payments (the Yukon). If you do need a sales tax, the HST is far superior to the old PST.


We’ll see if BC voters agree, despite the bungling of their government and the opportunistic posturing of opposition politicians.


Keith Halliday is a Yukon economist and author of the Aurore of the Yukon series of historical children’s adventure novels.

http://yukon-news.com/opinions/columns/23699/
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

Only reason the HST didn't stick around is because people got all whiny because they originally said they wouldn't implement the tax.  People didn't actually look at how it could be beneficial to the province.


Hence the "ignorance" statement.

If people had bothered to find out the truth, instead of just buying into what the Zalm and the NDP were telling them, they would have known that the Liberals orginally said no to the HST because it would be too expensive to implement.

That changed later on, when the feds came back with the offer to pay for the implementation. It is this 1.6 billion dollars that we now have to pay back to Ottawa, thanks to the people who preferred to believe that the HST agreement between Ottawa and Victoria was a broken promise, rather than what is was, which is a renegotiation.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

Hence the "ignorance" statement.

If people had bothered to find out the truth, instead of just buying into what the Zalm and the NDP were telling them, they would have known that the Liberals orginally said no to the HST because it would be too expensive to implement.

That changed later on, when the feds came back with the offer to pay for the implementation. It is this 1.6 billion dollars that we now have to pay back to Ottawa, thanks to the people who preferred to believe that the HST agreement between Ottawa and Victoria was a broken promise, rather than what is was, which is a renegotiation.

It was amazing. People actually thought that by voting NO to HST that would mean all that would be paid would be GST and there would be no cost to BC.

And the Zalm and his trusty sidekick Chris Delaney fed that misinformation constantly... when they were not claiming that the HST was part of a New World Order conspiracy to strip British Columbians of their rights and lead to a takeover of our economic system by Europeans while we gave control of our taxing regime to the darn Easterners. Yes that claim was made.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

I think ignorance more aptly represents the right wing ideologs who can't see past their own wealth. Happy workers do not vote for change - something angered a great deal of workers enough to vote against the HST. Workers with extra cash in their pockets would have kept the HST - Workers not sinking in credit card debt would not have voted against the HST.

Blaming voters for the debacle of the HST shows how much disrespect the right wing has for the common worker. Imagine that - workers not believing hook line and sinker and daring to ask for proof. The gall of them - how dare they question the process - anyone not for us surely must be against us ...

The HST just like the BC Liberals are about to be a thing of the past and not because people love the NDP but because this type of nonsense has run its course.

No - I do not believe any businuess will return their tax transferance savings to workers without being forced to - and yes I would be more than happy to eat crow if the majority of businuess had done so. Not believing them does not make me ignorant. I asked for proof and the HST side could only come up with lines like "the checks in the mail", "just believe", Trust us"

We will have to agree to disagree as I will never change my opinion of the BC Liberals or the HST untill I see real proof of balanced action for not just businuess but .. wait for it ........ working class people as well. And the right wing posters here are equally as entrenched in their position.

As such there is no value in debating each other as each is holding firm to their positions.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:50 PM

Question for you legal types regarding using quotes

From one of the above articles I want to use the quote

" A broad HST also attacks income tax evasion, a major issue in a province with such a big drug business. The HST gives grow-op millionaires a chance to contribute to public services in the province. Now they will pay tax on their mega-home purchases and airline tickets, and not just their heat lamps and hydroponic gear."

Is it legal or what kind of credit must appear in the quote? I think a right wing claim that the HST will help tackle drug profits is too good to pass up using lol
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