eretz canucks Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 If they want tochkin they better start with Reilly and a first. And Friesen is pretty much untouchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrippledCanuck Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 everybodies stats in the west was dramitically down......moastly due to a very very competitive west.... henrik was still the top west pt getter and thats without Daniel for ten games ....and a strugglling injury plagued 2nd line.... so I wouldnt read alot into that...example first 48 gms henrik 11-31=52pts daniel 20-30=50pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 At this point I'd that and try to squeeze a 2nd out of them. I don't see us getting a more talented prospect out of anyone else. Seems to be developing slower but we don't have anyone with high end skill in our prospect pool. I think it's worth the gamble considering we also fill our interim 2nd line center role with bozak if niether of the kids take charge at camp. Who knows maybe Kadri finds his game this year. I see it being a better option than Weiss. He may be a better option at 2nd C but he most likely walks next year and bozak can certainly patch the hole untill kes is back. At least going the Toronto route we get a shot at a high end talented young prospect. May not be a sure bet but the reward could be huge and long lasting. Toronto is feeling the pinch and I think they know they have to give significantly more than Florida or gillis sends him home out of respect. I think he's the best player that is easiest to let go for them. They gotta give something and that's pretty close to what gillis asked for, good prospect, roster player, 1st round pick. TO cant afford to give a 1st especially after giving away a 7th overall 22 yr old. So they counter with a 2nd. Kadri bozak 2nd I think it seems totally reasonable from both sides. They get their playoff bound goalie without putting too many holes in their lineup. We wash our hands clean of this mess, get a talented kid to work with and solve our center dilemma. I would be all over that if I was Nonis and Gillis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyforhockey Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I agree with your point, not trying to be a douche but your math is off on Henrik 11 + 31 = 42 not 52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Of course, all of the above. You're showing an inability to look at anything besides current production when gauging a player's value. On this basis, then, do you think Chris Higgins is worth more than Nick Jensen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 pretty sure you did the exact same thing in your "multiple warning signs of Kassian" thread saying he is a bust and everyone should worry because his year over year (being one season) his points are down. just say'n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Toronto would want to do that because they get to unload a couple of underachieving spare parts to Vancouver for a world class goaltender. Vancouver fans would do that because they've swallowed the wave of garbage that originated from the Toronto media - that they're going to take Luongo, but only as a favour to Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Except he's talking about Stephen Weiss, a guy whose scored 238 points over the past four seasons - Florida's leading scorer since 2008/9. King thinks he has less value than a Reilly, Gardiner, Simmonds, Couturier, Coburn, Bjugstad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Kadri, Bozak <<< Luke Schenn Missed opportunity? Now knowing the Canucks would not have been penalized if they had traded prior to the lockout and that JVR could have been had. Hopefully the Canucks are working on a bigger 3 team trade if Nonis isn't going to trade Rielly or Gardiner. Benn? E.Kane? Couturier? Perry? Though Weiss would be nice, he would be a rental situation. The Canucks have one of the worst prospects pool in the league. Desperately need to stock up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I would have to agree about Reilly and Couturier. No GM in their right mind would go one for one for Weiss with either of those 2. I probably wouldn't with bjugstad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks fan in chicago Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Luongo won't be traded this season, you can count on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 They re-acquired Brian Boucher this morning, which is interesting. Something else is obviously coming from them. I still have a very hard time believing that they're in the Luongo sweepstakes, but this could be setting up for some sort of 3-way, with us ending up with Michael Leighton as our backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 What if the Edler talks over the summer made management raise eyebrows? To Vancouver: Brian Campbell (proven chemistry w/ Garrison), _______, & Michael Leighton To Florida: Luongo and half of Campbell's cap hit (FLA will never be a cap team and $3.6m gets them to the floor easier) To Philly: Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Luongo won't be traded this season, you can count on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirensong87 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 What if the Edler talks over the summer made management raise eyebrows? To Vancouver: Brian Campbell (proven chemistry w/ Garrison), _______, & Michael Leighton To Florida: Luongo and half of Campbell's cap hit (FLA will never be a cap team and $3.6m gets them to the floor easier) To Philly: Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 So Philly get Elder for Leighton? LOL! I don't think so... Maybe with Grossman and a pick or 2 to Van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm anything but sold on Reilly - or Gardiner. I'd take Couturier over any of them, including Weiss - but I don't see NHL trade values that way. So many deals to reference - Kessel, Carter, Kaberle, Richards, Nash, Staal... proven veterans, 60 point players - simply aren't worth less than prospects and rookies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 That's why MG is paid what he is. He has tough decisions to make. Although I'm not a big fan of Weiss myself, if MG instead targeted a specific prospect/pick package that would not really help us this year, and we flame out, I'd call that a pretty critical error. Who knows when Kesler will be back, and even when he's back, there'll be endless questions about whether or not he "came back too quick", etc. More excuses for non-performance, if that happens. I don't want to hear them. The Canucks should be trying to win now. Nobody likes to talk about this, but the Sedin's are getting older, and their production did decline last year, which is probably the start of a trend that we'll see persist until they retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 What if the Edler talks over the summer made management raise eyebrows? To Vancouver: Brian Campbell (proven chemistry w/ Garrison), _______, & Michael Leighton To Florida: Luongo and half of Campbell's cap hit (FLA will never be a cap team and $3.6m gets them to the floor easier) To Philly: Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 That's quite creative King. Great analogy. So Weiss = Higgins. We should just offer Florida a couple mid level picks for him lol. These 60 point top line players like Weiss and Briere simply don't have much value in today's NHL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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