Smashian Kassian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Right now yes? new contract 3m+ i bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 With market value for average players likely to drop. I would say 2 - 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 First you pump up Clutterbuck value, then you offer Higgins and Connaughton? You should "go ask Minny fans what they think of that". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 How is that a bad offer? both are good 2nd/3rd liners, that bring a bit different things, Clutterbuck slots more in a 3rd line role, Higgins could fit in either with the offense he brings. He would also round out there line-up more, current line-up: Cullen - Granlund - Setoguchi Bouchard - Brodziak - Clutterbuck Then with Higgins, he would be that anchor on the 2nd line, he would bring that defensive presence and as we saw with Cody last year, is a good player to play with rookies. It would then allow Cullen to slide down into a better fitting role: Higgins - Granlund - Setguchi Bouchard - Cullen - Brodziak Then the Connaution/Graovac swap is even for both sides, Minnesota is loaded with Forwards, both roster and prospect, so they add a good prospect who will be in contention to crack there roster next season. They deal from an area of strength to one of weakness. Then for us it is much the same thing, we have alot of depth on our defense, and Graovac has been playing very well with Brendan Gaunce, so we add a nice forward prospect who has chemistry with one of our current prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Why are people talking about Kessel all of a sudden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Who is the more popular player? Clutterbuck or Torres? it doesnt matter if its an open thread, PPL will go for the more popular of the two.... Torres didnt kill penalties for us because of Kesler, Higgins, Burrows, Raymond, Hansen and Malhotra. If youre the coach of the Wild. would you pick Konopka, Powe, Mitchell and Brodziak for pking duties over Clutterbuck? no. Im not saying Torres>>>>>>>>>Clutterbuck but Torres is not so different to a player like CC. Torres is like a poor man's clutterbuck and he played on our 4th line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I think he'll get higher than that, maybe 3.5 or close to 4m. He saw the management spend big bucks so he probably wants some of that $$$ lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Clutterbuck is basically their Burrows, fan fav, community guy etc. I dont know their cap situation, but they do like their hometown guys. I wonder if we can offer them Ballard + something for Clutterbuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I realize Old News promised everyone here Garrison was superb on the right side knocking one of those off the table.... , I still say we also would like to that D trade to incorporate a puck rushing D into that equation. And if it was a left side puck rushing D (Leddy, Gardiner) then in fact we need to move two left D to get the perfect mix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Yeah but Higgins is a likable guy too, and you have to make on ice decisions. Wouldn't give up Ballard right now, has been our best defenseman, and trading him creates a hole. Not saying they would do it for sure, but value wise they are pretty even (just bring different dynamics) Overall the deal is fair value wise, I guess it just comes down to preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Torres > Clutterbuck > Higgins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 This is what happens when we play 3 in 4 nights and there is no trade rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 We'd still have Vandermeer and Barker but imagine a bottom 6 forward of Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Raymond - Kesler - Booth Clutterbuck - Schroeder - Hansen Higgins - Lappiere - Kassian that balance and depth will make up for our defences mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Torres > Clutterbuck > Higgins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 How is that a bad offer? both are good 2nd/3rd liners, that bring a bit different things, Clutterbuck slots more in a 3rd line role, Higgins could fit in either with the offense he brings. He would also round out there line-up more, current line-up: Cullen - Granlund - Setoguchi Bouchard - Brodziak - Clutterbuck Then with Higgins, he would be that anchor on the 2nd line, he would bring that defensive presence and as we saw with Cody last year, is a good player to play with rookies. It would then allow Cullen to slide down into a better fitting role: Higgins - Granlund - Setguchi Bouchard - Cullen - Brodziak Then the Connaution/Graovac swap is even for both sides, Minnesota is loaded with Forwards, both roster and prospect, so they add a good prospect who will be in contention to crack there roster next season. They deal from an area of strength to one of weakness. Then for us it is much the same thing, we have alot of depth on our defense, and Graovac has been playing very well with Brendan Gaunce, so we add a nice forward prospect who has chemistry with one of our current prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Gardiner is one of there most important defensemen, already playing top 4 as a rookie, the guy was uber impressive in the AHL. Gardiner isn't nearly as overrated as you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Clutterbuck = Higgins > Torres*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Might not be bad straight value wise but clutterbuck is a fan favorite there. He's pretty much their burrows. If we were offered Matt Read or Lupul for Burrows would we do it? Probly not, we'd say throw in a first and we'll think about it. Bottom line is it will take an over payment to get someone like clutterbuck. He's part of their core IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 He is one of the most important defensemen, but it's all relative - this is the Leafs blueline you're talking about and he was a rookie, last year. You've been pumping his tires continuously, but there are a few things aside from 7 goals and 23 assists, and rushing the puck that are relevant about Gardiner. First, there were only a few Leafs, with names like Jay Rosehill and Matt Lombardi, who faced a weaker quality of competition than Gardiner did last year. His 56% offensive zone starts was second only to, again, Rosehill. When you factor those things in, what you get is a player who scored at an impressive pace for a rookie, but otherwise, wasn't tested in the sense you would suggest - as a "top 4" blueliner. He has sheltered/tailored minutes much like Hodgson in Vancouver, and likewise, has been overhyped. Good young player - but certainly premature to be suggesting he could handle the other side / two way responsibility of being a top 4, which is not to say he won't develop that or doesn't have the potential, but at this point, overhyped/over-rated. Again, the youth culture bias is strong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 The Anti-Leaf bias is overwhelming here. If Gardiner was on our team, or any other team, people would love him and would be all over him, but because he is "Leafs garbage" there is this cloud that he isn't as good as he is. I don't follow the Leafs closely enough to break down every little aspect he brings, but from talking to Leafs fans on HF and watching as many games as I can, it is easy to tell he is a big piece of there defense. As he is key on the PP, key 5 on 5 and plays the PK. Tell all this to a Leafs fan or someone who follows the team, they would be able to tell how wrong you are, most of the deal proposed on here would be laughed at as most people here can't accurately gauge the value and importance of players to other teams. Oh and BTW, the competition the Leafs face isn't any weaker than what we face, and he is a top 4 on that team, and their defense isn't as bad as you think. Anti-Leafs bias rearing its ugly head again. If he played for Florida there is no chance we would be saying the same things about him judging by the way people overrate Shawn Mattias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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