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#1 Common sense

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:33 AM

‘Not every opinion is valid:’ Carleton University free speech wall torn down within hours



Only hours after students installed a “Free Speech Wall” at Carleton University to prove that campus free speech was alive and well, it was torn down by an activist who claimed the wall was an “act of violence,” against the gay community.


“What we wanted to promote was competition of ideas, rather than ‘if I disagree with you I’ve got to censor you,’” said Ian CoKehyeng, founder of Carleton Students for Liberty, the creators of the wall.


Installed on Monday in the Unicentre Galleria, one of campus’ most high-traffic areas, the wall was really more of a 1.2 x 1.8 meter wooden plank wrapped in paper and equipped with felt markers.


By Tuesday morning the wall was gone, destroyed in an act of “forceful resistance,” by seventh-year human rights student Arun Smith.


“In organizing the ‘free speech wall,’ the Students for Liberty have forgotten that liberty requires liberation, and this liberation is prevented by providing space … for the expression of hate,” he wrote in a 600-word Facebook post in which he identified himself as an anti-homophobia campaigner.


Calling the area around the wall a “war zone,” he intimated that it was “but another in a series of acts of violence” against gay rights.


In a Tuesday afternoon Twitter exchange with a CBC reporter, Mr. Smith dubbed free speech an “illusory concept” and declared that “not every opinion is valid, nor deserving of expression.”


Mr. CoKehyeng hinted at the irony of the wall being taken down by an LGBT activist.


“Free speech is a friend of minorities, it shouldn’t be people who feel marginalized in society who are trampling on free speech,” he said.


“Free speech is something you can’t monopolize for yourself, you have to give it to everyone else.”


“Only someone who had gone to university could write something so utterly stupid,” said Fred Litwin, the Ottawa-based creator of the blog Gay and Right, in reference to Mr. Smith’s Tuesday morning Facebook post.


“Free speech is free speech … and I just wish these people would get a life.”


In truth, the wall’s only overt references to sexual orientation were pro-gay, such as “QUEERS ARE AWESOME,” “Gay is OK” and “I [Heart] Queers.”


The only comment that verged into anti-gay territory was a scrawl reading “traditional marriage is awesome.”


According to Mr. CoKehyeng, the four-word phrase prompted a visit from Ryan Flannagan, the university’s director of student affairs.


“He saw that it wasn’t inciting hate speech at all, so he let that one slide,” said Mr. CoKehyeng.


“Many students used the wall to express diverse views about many topics,” wrote Mr. Flannagan in a Tuesday email to the Post.


Expression on the wall was not entirely free, of course.


If the Free Speech Wall had suddenly been wallpapered with swastikas and racial slurs, university officials could have ordered it removed as a contravention of the University’s policies against discrimination.


“I didn’t want to prepare for it because I was hoping it wouldn’t happen,” said Mr. CoKehyeng. “Personally, I wouldn’t have censored anything unless I was told to.”


Fortunately, the board remained surprisingly civil, featuring a number of personal greetings such as “I love my clitoris!!” as well as a few campus political standards like “Obama Murders with Drones” and “Harper is a douche.”


A phrase reading “Abortion is murder” spawned complaints, said Mr. CoKehyeng, but also a string of scrawled counter-arguments.


Tuesday morning, a handful of students took to Arun Smith’s Facebook page to cheer the wall’s destruction.


“DIRECT ACTION GETS THE GOODS!,” declared Shane Davis-Young, a computer programming student at Ottawa’s Algonquin College.


A McGill University student whose Facebook avatar bore the phrase “say yes to the press!” similarly applauded the action against the “heinous” Students for Liberty.


In a 2012 ranking of “campus freedom” compiled by the Calgary-based Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms — a sponsor of the Free Speech Wall — Carleton University received one of the group’s lowest rating for free speech — largely because of university efforts to deny funding and space to anti-abortion groups.


As of Tuesday, Mr. CoKehyeng, was in the process of building a new wall but says he “can’t guarantee” it will not meet the same fate.


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Arun Smith is a joke, plain and simple. Free speech!? For someone apparently studying "human rights," he sure knows how to violate them.

Where's the free speech in censoring fellow students, and in particular those that were in support of Smith's LGBT campaigns? To top it off, in one of his student political campaigns, check out the crap that he spews:


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:50 AM

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Morons...

Only in Academia is writing "harper is a douche" totally acceptable, but "traditional marriage is awesome" not.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:27 AM

Morons...

Only in Academia is writing "harper is a douche" totally acceptable, but "traditional marriage is awesome" not.

That's because liberals and their version of social engineering (that only acknowledges freedoms when they agree with them) are in charge of academia, which makes me happy I finished college long ago. I feel bad for the college kids today who can think outside that little box.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:12 AM

Morons...

Only on CDCis writing "harper is a douche" totally acceptable, but "traditional marriage is awesome" not.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:11 AM

should'nt he be charged with vandalism?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:52 AM

Free speech is free speech, meaning you can express your opinion no matter who disagrees with it. If you don't like what someone says, rather than bitching about it, why not use your freedom of speech to make a good argument against it.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

I am so glad I'm not in university anymore, this stuff gets more ridiculous every passing year. Back in the 60s when they started this sort of thing they were at least fighting for stuff that mattered. Now it's just embarrassing.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:04 PM

I am so glad I'm not in university anymore, this stuff gets more ridiculous every passing year. Back in the 60s when they started this sort of thing they were at least fighting for stuff that mattered. Now it's just embarrassing.


Then let's bring it back a bit. To you, what was stuff that mattered in the 60s?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:15 PM

Then let's bring it back a bit. To you, what was stuff that mattered in the 60s?


Voting rights? Nam/draft dodging? I mean that was never much of a thing here in Canada but it was definitely a university thing.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:15 PM

By Tuesday morning the wall was gone, destroyed in an act of “forceful resistance,” by seventh-year human rights student Arun Smith.


Seven years down the drain...

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

Seven years down the drain...

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Ain't that the truth.

7 years for a degree in that and its pretty conclusive evidence he isn't a very bright man.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:39 PM

Voting rights? Nam/draft dodging? I mean that was never much of a thing here in Canada but it was definitely a university thing.


See: that's the thing - voting rights and war were something that affected society as a whole. Today, we have campus lefties (at UBC, we called them knollies) whose main pursuits are all about themselves. For example, they advocate against things like the rising cost of tuition, university development, and any sense of "right-wing"ism that pops up on campus. There's no more talk of general community and how to advocate for greater rights across cities and nations; all that's left of activism at a university level is about me me me me me me.

Where did this sense of self-grandeur come to fruition, and what exactly will it lead to?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:51 PM

See: that's the thing - voting rights and war were something that affected society as a whole. Today, we have campus lefties (at UBC, we called them knollies) whose main pursuits are all about themselves. For example, they advocate against things like the rising cost of tuition, university development, and any sense of "right-wing"ism that pops up on campus. There's no more talk of general community and how to advocate for greater rights across cities and nations; all that's left of activism at a university level is about me me me me me me.

Where did this sense of self-grandeur come to fruition, and what exactly will it lead to?


I hear ya, I mean this dude's major was something called "sexuality and human rights." That's not a class, that's a major! It's laughable. What happened to getting a classics degree?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:21 PM

Ain't that the truth.

7 years for a degree in that and its pretty conclusive evidence he isn't a very bright man.



Or maybe he travels? or maybe he works to pay it off as he goes so he doesn't go into huge debt? Maybe his parents died and he took a couple courses for a couple years? Just because the guy did something most people do not agree with does not make you any smarter or more adept at life by completing your degree faster. With that said, boom, I'm out.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:50 PM

See: that's the thing - voting rights and war were something that affected society as a whole. Today, we have campus lefties (at UBC, we called them knollies) whose main pursuits are all about themselves. For example, they advocate against things like the rising cost of tuition, university development, and any sense of "right-wing"ism that pops up on campus. There's no more talk of general community and how to advocate for greater rights across cities and nations; all that's left of activism at a university level is about me me me me me me.

Where did this sense of self-grandeur come to fruition, and what exactly will it lead to?


While in university there is a lot of left-wing advocacy, I don't think right-wing opinions are necessarily marginalized in any way, it's just that almost no one is right-wing. I'm in the Arts faculty (mostly political science) at UBC and there's a fair share of "radical" left-wingers in my discussion groups and some of the crap they say makes me want to clock them in the face some times but there are a fair share of right-wing, or at the very least, non left-wing thinkers in my classes.

The left-wing activism is there and is strong, but I don't think it's as radical as people on this board are making it out to be. And for god's sake people, there is no social engineering going on, come on, you guys know better than that.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:45 PM

While in university there is a lot of left-wing advocacy, I don't think right-wing opinions are necessarily marginalized in any way, it's just that almost no one is right-wing. I'm in the Arts faculty (mostly political science) at UBC and there's a fair share of "radical" left-wingers in my discussion groups and some of the crap they say makes me want to clock them in the face some times but there are a fair share of right-wing, or at the very least, non left-wing thinkers in my classes.

The left-wing activism is there and is strong, but I don't think it's as radical as people on this board are making it out to be. And for god's sake people, there is no social engineering going on, come on, you guys know better than that.


I don't know how long you've been at UBC for (judging by your Co-op question, I reckon 2-3 years). That right-wing marginalization continues to exist in sociology (and in particular AnSo), geography and the Geography building, and even broader in how issues like the Gaza float funding fiasco went down, as well as the occasional protest outside Hillel House.

Granted, it's died down considerably since the days of 2008, in the time when knollies set up some bonfire and got arrested, and when AMS President Blake Frederick complained to the UN about high tuition fees (wonder if he had a heart attack at the Quebec thing). In any case, explore outside the PoliSci realm and you'll see there's a lot more antagonism. PoliSci is one of the tamer ones, since it's the discipline that attracts the better of the Arts candidates (the others being Econ, Psych, and History).
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

I certainly don't agree with Ezra Levant on everything, but I loved seeing him tear Smith down.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:51 PM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

I don't know how long you've been at UBC for (judging by your Co-op question, I reckon 2-3 years). That right-wing marginalization continues to exist in sociology (and in particular AnSo), geography and the Geography building, and even broader in how issues like the Gaza float funding fiasco went down, as well as the occasional protest outside Hillel House.

Granted, it's died down considerably since the days of 2008, in the time when knollies set up some bonfire and got arrested, and when AMS President Blake Frederick complained to the UN about high tuition fees (wonder if he had a heart attack at the Quebec thing). In any case, explore outside the PoliSci realm and you'll see there's a lot more antagonism. PoliSci is one of the tamer ones, since it's the discipline that attracts the better of the Arts candidates (the others being Econ, Psych, and History).


I'm actually taking a Sociology class right now and like I said, there is no hardcore activism, brainwashing, engineering, or any of these crazy assumptions you guys are posting here.

All we have is a discussion, granted, there are a couple of left-wing crazies as you might call them in my class but there's bound to be some in a university. We watch several clips that do promote things along the lines of a left-wing agenda (they're usually talking about social stratification, discrimination, etc, the usual stuff), but as a university student, I think we should be able to critically think about those clips and not be automatically drawn towards to them in absolute agreement. Students who do that do not belong in a university.

My sociology class is simple, concepts are explained. Theories, that come from all parts of the political/social spectrum that attempt to explain the causes behind different social problems are explained and finally, a discussion ensues. Granted this is just an intro class, but I'm just trying to speak from personal experience.

I see anti-pipeline and anti-Harper posters here and there around campus, but if you guys honestly think that a couple pieces of paper are a sign of liberal indoctrination in universities, you really need to get a grip.

I don't know where this generalization of university students turning into left-wing nutjobs came from. I've actually ended up in the centre over my short stint in university. But that's the thing about university, you're still learning, and you're exposed to new ideas and your opinions on them are forever changing.

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